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As ICE is doing the Crimson Guard, he should be in those books, possibly even 'Return of the Crimson Guard'. But it looks like Skinner is one of if not the best Avowed, as (Night of Knives Spoilers -->) he was the only Avowed Dassem faced which he couldn't kill.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 10:40 PM
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 08:39 AM
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People need to be a bit clearer about the Second Seguleh business because we're all over the place.
Is it known who the Second Seguleh is? It is in pursuit of Skinner? Why a connection with Dassem at all? Is this made clear in the story somehow?
Is the second Seguleh recently ascended to that title?
They are getting ready to go to war against the Teblor?
Is it known who the Second Seguleh is? It is in pursuit of Skinner? Why a connection with Dassem at all? Is this made clear in the story somehow?
Is the second Seguleh recently ascended to that title?
They are getting ready to go to war against the Teblor?
The Soldier of HHDeath is on a mission.. but apparently Hood pulled him off that mission to visit this monastery, where all the priests have been slaughtered... as with all other temples and Monasteries dedicated to D'rek.
He appears to have been missing from the Seguleh island for a long time.
'Daru, Tell me, do the Tyrant's children still rule Darujhistan?'
Cutter is a little dazed by this apparition..the seguleh 2nd goes on..
"The fever zeal still grips my mortal kin, does it? Idiots!. The Tyrant's army still holds sway in the city then?" (the city being Darujhistan).
he then goes on to question if the seguleh are in the city, and is told that they are living on an island. He speculates that because of this they are being held in readiness 'lest the Tyrant returns'.
He talks of the council of mages, the T'orrud Cabal -, ..and refers to them as Barukanal, Derudanith, Travalegrah, Mammoltenan. 'Crouching low, lest the Tyrant returns, as one day he must! Returns, looking for his army! Hah, a council'.
So his mission appears to be three or even four fold.. to deliver a message to Cutter that the Tyrant may return to Darujhistan, to confirm that D'rek has made her position clear in the pantheon, that she is slaughtering her own priests because of Poliel's actions in siding with the crippled god and turning against D'rek - with whom she was previously allied iirc. Then there is his hunt for Skinner - he refers to him as cheater of death - and it appears to be a personal mission. Finally, this odd comment about Hood - 'Oh, I'll find him a wife one day, lay coin on it'.
No mention of the Teblor and no mention of Dassem in that part.
Incidentally - he's a great character - totally barmy of course - for a seguleh
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 12:45 PM
The Tyrant? Presumably not a Jaghut (as they've been lying low since before Darujhistan was presumably built)...but maybe the same Tyrant kicking T'lan Imass butt on Assail?
Some setting-up for Toll the Hounds is going on methinks...
Some setting-up for Toll the Hounds is going on methinks...
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 06:49 PM
I thought the wife comment was the pinnacle of torture, after all those curses But that could just be me.
Another thing - assuming that Icarium's mother is a Toblakhai, not Eres (ooh), and knowing that Toblakhai warriors can have warrens by themselves, is Icarium's power just an extension of that warren to ridiculous levels?
But that could just be me.Another thing - assuming that Icarium's mother is a Toblakhai, not Eres (ooh), and knowing that Toblakhai warriors can have warrens by themselves, is Icarium's power just an extension of that warren to ridiculous levels?
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Posted 01 March 2006 - 06:53 PM
There was a definite hint that Icarium has some connection to the K'Chain. That surprised me.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 10:45 AM
Ok, new crazy theories...
I'm having trouble remembering some (most!) of the names so may have to edit this post later.
It is about the tribal peoples (name???) that Karsa is helping who are being killed by the Edur. When their leader (name???) is explaining time to Samar Dev he talks about how they were warned to flee there by a bunch of Mezla lead by ??? (strange name). Now that strange-name to me sounded like a bastardization of Whiskey Jack. Also included was the information that they are in some sort of afterlife-world which to get to you have to go over a burning bridge... The company of ascended Bridgburners? I haven't exactly worked out what my crazy theory means yet but this is the bones of it.
I'm having trouble remembering some (most!) of the names so may have to edit this post later.It is about the tribal peoples (name???) that Karsa is helping who are being killed by the Edur. When their leader (name???) is explaining time to Samar Dev he talks about how they were warned to flee there by a bunch of Mezla lead by ??? (strange name). Now that strange-name to me sounded like a bastardization of Whiskey Jack. Also included was the information that they are in some sort of afterlife-world which to get to you have to go over a burning bridge... The company of ascended Bridgburners? I haven't exactly worked out what my crazy theory means yet but this is the bones of it.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 02:31 PM
i would guess that the leader is the leader of the crimson guards.. he was the only malaz whose access to the land is blocked by a bridge on fire... unless that malaz is the new high king of house of soldiers?
also it seems that hood is after all of the avowed as they have cheated death..
anyone knows what is the deal that paran made with hood in order for heboric ot be released?
also it seems that hood is after all of the avowed as they have cheated death..
anyone knows what is the deal that paran made with hood in order for heboric ot be released?
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 02:34 PM
I thought straight away that Whiskeyjack was the one that talked to those people (the Arapay?). They consider him some kind of god, and now that he's ascended, maybe their worship will have an effect?
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 04:17 PM
I thought we had from a very high place that Whiskeyjack was gone from the series, E.G. not ascended or anything, wouldn't that make the Crimson Guard one the more likely answer?
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 05:58 PM
not at all.. this happend a long time ago, so some time before WJ died. Also, they were described as Malazan, something the the crimson guard is not
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 07:03 PM
Lord Baelish said:
I thought straight away that Whiskeyjack was the one that talked to those people (the Arapay?). They consider him some kind of god, and now that he's ascended, maybe their worship will have an effect?
They called him Iskar Jalak I think.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 07:05 PM
Then Boatfinder spoke of a bridge that burns, there isn't any real doubt who he's referring to.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:51 PM
The fact that he's a bridgeburner doesn't necessarily mean that he is whiskeyjack... there are a hell of a lot of bridgeburners out there, many of them could have been the mezla, Iskar Jalak, after all Whiskeyjack has never been a prophet has he?
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 09:58 PM
He's never claimed to be, but that's how these people saw him. I'm convinced it was Whiskeyjack.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:17 PM
Yes there was an interview with SE...he said that WJ wasnt comming back in anyway,shape or form. i reckon that sucks cause he was a champ, but oh well i guess...
my guess to would be one of the CG, they have all sorta of people in there so the possibilites are endless, BTW any wrod on iron bars and seren padec etc?.
my guess to would be one of the CG, they have all sorta of people in there so the possibilites are endless, BTW any wrod on iron bars and seren padec etc?.
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 11:36 AM
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I was wondering WTF Skinner was until I remebered his name being mentioned in same breath as Cowl, Blues etc, which makes him Crimson Guard IIRC? Has he actually appeared in the series or was he just mentioned?
He has not been seen, just talked about in a few books he is the only avowed to have survived a meeting with daseem.
I don't believe the soldier of death is the second, i reckon he killed the second and is now after skinner to kill him, so that rhuald doesn't have any champions to fight him, Hood may have decided to kill these "mortals", as the TE are going about capturing champions.
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Yes there was an interview with SE...he said that WJ wasnt comming back in anyway,shape or form. i reckon that sucks cause he was a champ, but oh well i guess...
my guess to would be one of the CG, they have all sorta of people in there so the possibilites are endless, BTW any wrod on iron bars and seren padec etc?.
my guess to would be one of the CG, they have all sorta of people in there so the possibilites are endless, BTW any wrod on iron bars and seren padec etc?.
We know of this interview, and it is just not relevant in this case. Yes WJ wont reappear, but the events discussed here happend long ago. So long before WJ was killed by Kallor. SE is refering to whether WJ would return in his new, ascended form. IT has nothing to do with this
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 01:39 AM
just to answer the question.
It was Daseem Ultor, the First Sword, who spoke with and is now worshipped by Boatfinder's people (all of whom seem to loose everything they ever owned or needed as a matter of habit thus forcing them to becaome specialists in the art of finding...)
It was Daseem Ultor, the First Sword, who spoke with and is now worshipped by Boatfinder's people (all of whom seem to loose everything they ever owned or needed as a matter of habit thus forcing them to becaome specialists in the art of finding...)
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 01:50 AM
Why do you say that? Pretty much every piece of evidence points at Whiskeyjack as the man.
Hello, soldiers, look at your mage, now back to me, now back at your mage, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped being an unascended mortal and switched to Sole Spice, he could smell like he’s me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re in a warren with the High Mage your cadre mage could smell like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s an acorn with two gates to that realm you love. Look again, the acorn is now otataral. Anything is possible when your mage smells like Sole Spice and not a Bole brother. I’m on a quorl.
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 01:57 AM
I like to be controversial...
No but being serious I was interested in how the phrase 'first sword' has been used up to this book (in my mind at least) as a title applying to one man: like 'fist' or 'adjunct' or 'lady' (goodness bless her!!). In bonehunters 'first sword' seems to start being used as though it was both a title for daseem and a company or unit or group which accompanied him.
I added that to the slightly sanctimonius stuff told to boatfinder and decided it just didn't sound like WJ.
Thirdly and most frankly: I used the maps. WJ and the bridge burners chased quick and kallam through Rakaru. I couldn't see why they would ever have ended up in the area. In contrast we know that Dasseem had to 'leave the area' after he had pretended to die.
It was a simple process of working out which 'mezla' was most likely to be in the area.
No but being serious I was interested in how the phrase 'first sword' has been used up to this book (in my mind at least) as a title applying to one man: like 'fist' or 'adjunct' or 'lady' (goodness bless her!!). In bonehunters 'first sword' seems to start being used as though it was both a title for daseem and a company or unit or group which accompanied him.
I added that to the slightly sanctimonius stuff told to boatfinder and decided it just didn't sound like WJ.
Thirdly and most frankly: I used the maps. WJ and the bridge burners chased quick and kallam through Rakaru. I couldn't see why they would ever have ended up in the area. In contrast we know that Dasseem had to 'leave the area' after he had pretended to die.
It was a simple process of working out which 'mezla' was most likely to be in the area.
