[Tes'thesula]

Just reading through some old threads (some really good stuff back there) and i thought hit me...

If Ruin and Rake do meet up...how do you imagine their reunion...The tearful rejoicing of brothers long seperated...Rake's relief at not being isolated in his leadership of the andii...Ruin's anger at being abondoned inside the Azath for millenia...???

For that matter, how do you think Rake will respond to the death of his older(??) brother when he finds out (im pretty certain he will find out)...Cold justice against the Edur...(i hope so )

what are your thoughts?

[vaiski]

mjgill said:

his older(??) brother

Rake is the oldest, Silchas youngest.

[Trotts]

i imagine rake would be cooly indifferant to ruin, and ruin would be a little on the pissed off side.

[Tiste Simeon]

Trotts said:

i imagine rake would be cooly indifferant to ruin, and ruin would be a little on the pissed off side.

I doubt that... the Rake being indifferent bit anyway. If you remember the prologue to MT, Gothos and Mael clearly state that Rake is on his way to come and kane some Edur 4$$ in revenge for what Scabby did to Ruin. They were pretty nervous in fact - they had to send Osserc to go and prevent Rake from destroying all the continents in sight with some serious KG unveiling. I think now Ruin is back, there are going to be some high powers pretty worried that two uber hard beings are going to team up. Ruin will want vengance on the Edur, and I think Rake will happily join him. If not for Andarist, for Ruin. I think Rake will be more bothered about Ruin than Andarist. It appears they weren't too close...

[Folken]

My opinion, Ruin has forgiven. He has nothing against the Edur of this time and the Edur of that time also were only following Bloodeye's orders.
2nd the Elder's weren't all that nervous, they just wanted to exact their own punishment on Bloodeye.
3rd Rake wasn't just pissed of cause a brother had died, it was more that it was a betrayal and that a crapload of his people were slaughtered in a similar way. Think on this, Rake no doubt sensed the presence of the other Andii but didn't choose to arrive or let his intentions be known until AFTER they all died.
4th Ruin wasn't abandoned in the Azath, there was nothing anyone could do about it. As Icarium no doubt found out to his great dismay when he tried to free his father.
5th Rake is the leader period. The Andii of this world follow no one else.
Last, the vengence has already been done on the Edur. Their God dead, their magic destroyed, their Throne gone. The Edur were left a broken people by Rake and the Elders. Sure they're coming back now, but its more an intervention of the Crippled God than their own will.

[Folken]

The Elders knew Rake would come and Osric was already waiting for him. It was Gothos that said to hurry up and do whatever it is the Elders wanted to do, Mael was all "meh, we knew he'd come"

[Tes'thesula]

makes you wonder how much they knew about the coming betrayel, and why they did nothing to prevent it...or if they didn't care about the Andii, why they didn't just let Rake have his way with Bloodeye?

If they wanted to get their own back for bloodeye causing the K'chain Che'Malle to end the world, than why didn't they act earlier, allowing the Andii to survive? What were Mael's intentions in preserving with ice...why not just destroy it...the result would have been the same...

confusion abounds

[Folken]

Well not really the Edur's fault. They used what they could get their hands on. It was Rake's discretion to not do anything about the Ice that Gothos placed there . So like I said in my opinion vengance has already been delievered.
And Ruin's reaction to Fear trying to find Bloodeye was simply "he still lives?" in an amusing tone of sorts.

[Morgoth]

Rake would never go out on some hot headed quest for vengance, and neither I think, would Silchas.

I do not think they will strive for reunion and if they do meet, I wouldn't expect more than a cold nodd and perhaps a word of greeting between the two. There never seemed to be much love between the three brothers. Perhaps Andarist was the glue of a sort that kept the three together..

As to Andarist's death, I believe Rake knows about it. If he does not, that would imply he doesn't much care though I doubt that is the case. Most likely -in my humble opinion - Rake grieves quietly, never letting anyone else know.

[Tiste Simeon]

Hetan said:

That was very touching Morgoth... *wipes tear from eye*

Another reason - they seem to have mellowed a bit over the years. When you think of Rake's reactions to Envy's news that Draconus was trying to free himself "I'm surprised he's taken so long", was a very calm reaction. Additonally he was quite happy to hear about Paran hob-nobbing in sword with Draconus.. so yeah, mellow.

Yeah but I think Rake partly wanted to annoy Lady Envy that time... If he is so calm, he probably has something counter-planned against it.

[krupke]

I believe Silchias will have little revenge. Just like Draconous his anger has flared and faded and he has earned wisdom over hundreds of time. But then again hes not an Elder god. If scabarandi actaully gets out sane from his torturing then i think hes in for a suprise or two. But who would silchias want to kill? no one seems an option. The edur? no. the edur at that time are all dead and gone so he cant blame them(he is wise enough not to attack them he seems to have a little mercy in him) who else is there left then?

[Tiste Simeon]

krupke said:

who else is there left then?

He could join Rake and have a two man mission to destroy all Edur!

[tiam]

Ne one think its odd how andarist was defeated so easily? I mean who would u put ure money on rake against 20 edur? obviosly rake even without magic. probably silchas aswell. But andarist seems to go down quite easily even tho we know older is more powerful than younger e.g. Andarist should be better and stronger than Silchas. And even tho he renounced his draconian blood he should still be able to defeat a handful of Edur i mean if Karsa did then surely a 200 000 year old child of Mother dark who has a sword forged by rake should be able 2.

[Gigger]

tiam said:

Ne one think its odd how andarist was defeated so easily? I mean who would u put ure money on rake against 20 edur? obviosly rake even without magic. probably silchas aswell. But andarist seems to go down quite easily even tho we know older is more powerful than younger e.g. Andarist should be better and stronger than Silchas. And even tho he renounced his draconian blood he should still be able to defeat a handful of Edur i mean if Karsa did then surely a 200 000 year old child of Mother dark who has a sword forged by rake should be able 2.

yes... but you have to take into consideration Andarist whole conversation with Cutter prior to the engagement with the Edur --> about the sword not failling the weirder's will was sufficient -- Cutter then asked Andarist if his will would suffice - and the answer was silence (and Cutter took that to mean _no_).

I think Andarist sufferred from the basic Tiste Andii issue (lack of purpose) - and had given up hope of finding one.

[tiam]

By older i mean more powerful. Such as more experience. i agree with the fact of Andarist probably gave up(ne speculation on what wounded him?) And IIRC the issue of the singular will was answered by Crokus i cant remember were but t says sumthing along the lines of his skill belying his earlier claim.