[Tattersail_]

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:16 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 10:58 AM, said:

Okay D'rek, I have sent you an action card for a possible swap. I am looking for a stall card. I would be willing to give you that action card and my votes on an agenda of your choosing.

Acceptable?

That action card you showed me is pitiful. Not interested in it.

Even combined with my votes?

If so I'll show you another, other than that, what would you like for a stall action card?

[Imperial Historian]

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 01:27 PM, said:

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

She meant War Suns

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

Even combined with my votes?

Yes, even combined with your votes. It'd be a bunch of work to ensure I get the effect, no guarantee of success, and even if I do get the effect it's not a particular great one. Might even be an impossible effect to use by the end of this round.

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

If so I'll show you another, other than that, what would you like for a stall action card?

There is no fixed price I could set which would both assuredly be worth me giving up a stall+effect for and also assuredly be a price you can pay, and furthermore setting a fixed price like that would potentially reveal to the rest the nature of a card I hold which I would prefer to avoid. So your best bet is indeed to hope that you have an action card I rate higher than the one I would consider giving away, or else to suggest some price of your own that I would find palatable.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 01:27 PM, said:

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

Has it? Sure, Twelve desperately through the commodities he was about to lose at you and gave you some additional collateral but you've not sent him Fires of the Gashlai yet, and I'm unclear as to whether you and his terms are fully figured out yet or not.

Even so, if Fires of the Gashlai is not an option, hmm... how about your Political Secret and Twelve's Ceasefire?

[Tattersail_]

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:32 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

Even combined with my votes?

Yes, even combined with your votes. It'd be a bunch of work to ensure I get the effect, no guarantee of success, and even if I do get the effect it's not a particular great one. Might even be an impossible effect to use by the end of this round.

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

If so I'll show you another, other than that, what would you like for a stall action card?

There is no fixed price I could set which would both assuredly be worth me giving up a stall+effect for and also assuredly be a price you can pay, and furthermore setting a fixed price like that would potentially reveal to the rest the nature of a card I hold which I would prefer to avoid. So your best bet is indeed to hope that you have an action card I rate higher than the one I would consider giving away, or else to suggest some price of your own that I would find palatable.

Well I am only looking for the stall, so if it was to gain TG's or something then you can have them back, if it has an effect on which you'd like the outcome, you can name it.

How about any of the two action cards I just sent you plus my alliance card?

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:42 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:32 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

Even combined with my votes?

Yes, even combined with your votes. It'd be a bunch of work to ensure I get the effect, no guarantee of success, and even if I do get the effect it's not a particular great one. Might even be an impossible effect to use by the end of this round.

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

If so I'll show you another, other than that, what would you like for a stall action card?

There is no fixed price I could set which would both assuredly be worth me giving up a stall+effect for and also assuredly be a price you can pay, and furthermore setting a fixed price like that would potentially reveal to the rest the nature of a card I hold which I would prefer to avoid. So your best bet is indeed to hope that you have an action card I rate higher than the one I would consider giving away, or else to suggest some price of your own that I would find palatable.

Well I am only looking for the stall, so if it was to gain TG's or something then you can have them back, if it has an effect on which you'd like the outcome, you can name it.

How about any of the two action cards I just sent you plus my alliance card?

Well, not all stall action cards have effects which be traded back. If, for example, it was Economic Initiative (reach each cultural planet you control) are you going to give me trade goods equal to the sum of the maximum resource/influence values of each cultural planet I control after you play it? If it's Rise of a Messiah, even gaining the resource value of each infantry I would have placed is not nearly as useful as the actual gaining them on each planet.

That said, your latest AC + Alliance is a tempting offer. I'm loathe to give up my AC for that, but I could be willing to give you my faction PN to be used as a stall instead for that. Let me mull on it a bit and also see what IH responds to my suggestion, as well.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:50 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:42 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:32 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

Even combined with my votes?

Yes, even combined with your votes. It'd be a bunch of work to ensure I get the effect, no guarantee of success, and even if I do get the effect it's not a particular great one. Might even be an impossible effect to use by the end of this round.

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:

If so I'll show you another, other than that, what would you like for a stall action card?

There is no fixed price I could set which would both assuredly be worth me giving up a stall+effect for and also assuredly be a price you can pay, and furthermore setting a fixed price like that would potentially reveal to the rest the nature of a card I hold which I would prefer to avoid. So your best bet is indeed to hope that you have an action card I rate higher than the one I would consider giving away, or else to suggest some price of your own that I would find palatable.

Well I am only looking for the stall, so if it was to gain TG's or something then you can have them back, if it has an effect on which you'd like the outcome, you can name it.

How about any of the two action cards I just sent you plus my alliance card?

Well, not all stall action cards have effects which be traded back. If, for example, it was Economic Initiative (reach each cultural planet you control) are you going to give me trade goods equal to the sum of the maximum resource/influence values of each cultural planet I control after you play it? If it's Rise of a Messiah, even gaining the resource value of each infantry I would have placed is not nearly as useful as the actual gaining them on each planet.

That said, your latest AC + Alliance is a tempting offer. I'm loathe to give up my AC for that, but I could be willing to give you my faction PN to be used as a stall instead for that. Let me mull on it a bit and also see what IH responds to my suggestion, as well.

You drive a hard bargain, this would be acceptable on the proviso that you do not use the action card I give you on me.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:34 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 01:27 PM, said:

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

Has it? Sure, Twelve desperately through the commodities he was about to lose at you and gave you some additional collateral but you've not sent him Fires of the Gashlai yet, and I'm unclear as to whether you and his terms are fully figured out yet or not.

Even so, if Fires of the Gashlai is not an option, hmm... how about your Political Secret and Twelve's Ceasefire?

My understanding is twelve and I have reached an agreement so I'm going to stick to that deal.

Political secret and twele's ceasefire seems to steep a price.


I'm currently thinking that my best option is to move to take Atlas, but I'll do a tatts and give you the opportunity to offer me something not to do that.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 02:42 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:34 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 01:27 PM, said:

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

Has it? Sure, Twelve desperately through the commodities he was about to lose at you and gave you some additional collateral but you've not sent him Fires of the Gashlai yet, and I'm unclear as to whether you and his terms are fully figured out yet or not.

Even so, if Fires of the Gashlai is not an option, hmm... how about your Political Secret and Twelve's Ceasefire?

My understanding is twelve and I have reached an agreement so I'm going to stick to that deal.

Political secret and twele's ceasefire seems to steep a price.


I'm currently thinking that my best option is to move to take Atlas, but I'll do a tatts and give you the opportunity to offer me something not to do that.

Best option or bored option?

Go for it, then. Leave MR poorly defended and bring your war sun up here. @Khell - you have my permission to activate/fly through my space to eat any hostile war suns that are attacking me

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 10 May 2021 - 02:48 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 02:42 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:34 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 01:27 PM, said:

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

Has it? Sure, Twelve desperately through the commodities he was about to lose at you and gave you some additional collateral but you've not sent him Fires of the Gashlai yet, and I'm unclear as to whether you and his terms are fully figured out yet or not.

Even so, if Fires of the Gashlai is not an option, hmm... how about your Political Secret and Twelve's Ceasefire?

My understanding is twelve and I have reached an agreement so I'm going to stick to that deal.

Political secret and twele's ceasefire seems to steep a price.


I'm currently thinking that my best option is to move to take Atlas, but I'll do a tatts and give you the opportunity to offer me something not to do that.

Best option or bored option?

Go for it, then. Leave MR poorly defended and bring your war sun up here. @Khell - you have my permission to activate/fly through my space to eat any hostile war suns that are attacking me

Bored option, but it could be my best option

[twelve]

IH are you waiting on me for something? I haven't really caught up on the chatter from the weekend but I think it's your turn. Are you waiting for confirmation on how to finish our deal? If so I give you 3 more commodities and my racial pn for your racial. Then sometime later this round if I'm able I give you 2 more trade goods and you start giving back my pns. Otherwise they are yours to sell. I think that was the deal. I would ask that you not sell any of my pns to D'rek until after I regain my homeworld.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 03:30 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 02:48 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 02:42 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:34 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 01:27 PM, said:

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

Has it? Sure, Twelve desperately through the commodities he was about to lose at you and gave you some additional collateral but you've not sent him Fires of the Gashlai yet, and I'm unclear as to whether you and his terms are fully figured out yet or not.

Even so, if Fires of the Gashlai is not an option, hmm... how about your Political Secret and Twelve's Ceasefire?

My understanding is twelve and I have reached an agreement so I'm going to stick to that deal.

Political secret and twele's ceasefire seems to steep a price.


I'm currently thinking that my best option is to move to take Atlas, but I'll do a tatts and give you the opportunity to offer me something not to do that.

Best option or bored option?

Go for it, then. Leave MR poorly defended and bring your war sun up here. @Khell - you have my permission to activate/fly through my space to eat any hostile war suns that are attacking me

Bored option, but it could be my best option

I don't see how. You spend 1 CT to temporarily gain a 3 resource planet. Meanwhile I give Tatts a flank speed and make the cost of me giving him that stall card for him to drop the mech in his homeworld on Muaat immediately so you lose access to that for the round and can't gain any points in status phase. Then Khell probably sends the Lodor fleet to poorly-defended Mecatol first thing next round - now even after reclaiming Muaat from Tatts you can't get Mecatol point anymore, and if you want to take MR back you have to send the war sun from Atlas back to MR so you probably don't even keep the gains you got from Atlas.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 10 May 2021 - 03:35 PM, said:

IH are you waiting on me for something? I haven't really caught up on the chatter from the weekend but I think it's your turn. Are you waiting for confirmation on how to finish our deal? If so I give you 3 more commodities and my racial pn for your racial. Then sometime later this round if I'm able I give you 2 more trade goods and you start giving back my pns. Otherwise they are yours to sell. I think that was the deal. I would ask that you not sell any of my pns to D'rek until after I regain my homeworld.

I'm assessing my options and considering whether trimming d'reks wings is in my best interest or not. I know where I am with our deal.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 10 May 2021 - 04:10 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 03:30 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 02:48 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 02:42 PM, said:

D, on 10 May 2021 - 01:34 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 01:27 PM, said:

My faction PN has already been sold for this turn unfortunately. Anything else you'd care for?

Has it? Sure, Twelve desperately through the commodities he was about to lose at you and gave you some additional collateral but you've not sent him Fires of the Gashlai yet, and I'm unclear as to whether you and his terms are fully figured out yet or not.

Even so, if Fires of the Gashlai is not an option, hmm... how about your Political Secret and Twelve's Ceasefire?

My understanding is twelve and I have reached an agreement so I'm going to stick to that deal.

Political secret and twele's ceasefire seems to steep a price.


I'm currently thinking that my best option is to move to take Atlas, but I'll do a tatts and give you the opportunity to offer me something not to do that.

Best option or bored option?

Go for it, then. Leave MR poorly defended and bring your war sun up here. @Khell - you have my permission to activate/fly through my space to eat any hostile war suns that are attacking me

Bored option, but it could be my best option

I don't see how. You spend 1 CT to temporarily gain a 3 resource planet. Meanwhile I give Tatts a flank speed and make the cost of me giving him that stall card for him to drop the mech in his homeworld on Muaat immediately so you lose access to that for the round and can't gain any points in status phase. Then Khell probably sends the Lodor fleet to poorly-defended Mecatol first thing next round - now even after reclaiming Muaat from Tatts you can't get Mecatol point anymore, and if you want to take MR back you have to send the war sun from Atlas back to MR so you probably don't even keep the gains you got from Atlas.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

You do know how to paint a picture d'rek.

[Imperial Historian]

D'rek I'll be taking atlas this turn unless you give me your racial and 3TG. I've not got anything better to do!

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 10 May 2021 - 05:26 PM, said:

D'rek I'll be taking atlas this turn unless you give me your racial and 3TG. I've not got anything better to do!

Ok, have fun with that.

[Tattersail_]

Drek have you considered my offer?

[Tattersail_]

Khell I'm going to show you a PN I may like to trade with you. I'm going to have a think about it.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 10 May 2021 - 05:52 PM, said:

Drek have you considered my offer?

I certainly have, but let's wait for IH to take his turn before we capitalize on what you offered

This post has been edited by D'rek: 10 May 2021 - 06:01 PM