[Blend]

Ugh, okay, I'm going to do a bit of analysis cause I'm now worried that if I do take Twelve's HW it just means I'd be leaving Bakal open for Khell to take and score his own a planet in someone else's system SO.

So...

Tatts is currently at 7VP. We've stopped him from being able to score the 2VP PO. He doesn't have enough planets to claim the more planets than 2 neighbours PO. His only Space Dock is locked down, so he won't be able to build ships to reach 5 non-fighter ships but he COULD move ships around in his existing hexes to gain that one, so assume he gets that PO - 1VP. He also has 1 unfulfilled SO, so potentially he could gain 2VPs in the upcoming status phase, which would put him at 9VPs.

Morgoth is currently at 6VP. He only has 3 structures on the board, so not a risk for the 2VP PO. He has 8 planets which is more than Tatts or I, so he could score the more planets than 2 of your neighbors PO. He also has enough for the 8 resource PO if he doesn't exhaust any of his currently readied planets and doesn't lose any of his TGs. So guaranteed 1 of those 2 POs are getting scored. He has 2 unfulfilled SOs so he could potentially score 2VPs this status phase, which would put him at 8VP. Easy enough to take away one of those VPs by taking a planet in his currently poorly defended home system, but I suspect it won't be undefended for much longer.

Twelve is currently at 5VP. After IH's most recent move, he's down to 5 structures. If I were to take his Homeworld, it would destroy 2 more, putting him at 3. He could then take it back with the forces on Mecatol Rex and put down 3 structures, then just take Primor and put down another one. Of course, he'd then lose my Support for the Throne, which would bump him down by 1VP. So he'll pretty much be able to score the 2VP PO even if I take his homeworld. He has no SOs, but will likely draw one this round. So potentially he could gain 3VPs this round, putting him at 8VP, 7VP if he gets a shit SO. 7/6 if I do go for his homeworld and he has to take it back from me.

IH is currently at 5VP. He has 8 structures on the board and the only way to stop him scoring the 2VP PO would be for someone to take out at least 2 of them. That means either his 3 planet system or his home system. I can't reach his home system, and I think the only other person with LIght/Wave is Khell, who also can't reach his home system, even with Aetherstream, not to mention the deterrent of the 10 or so PDS shots anyone trying that will have to endure. So no stopping him from gaining the 2VP PO. He can also score the Outer Rim PO now that he has taken Arnor/Lor if we somehow manage to prevent him from scoring the 2VP PO. He has 1 unfulfilled SO, so another potential point sitting in his hand. So worst case he gains 3VP this round, putting him at 8VP.

Khell is currently at 6VP. He only has 4 structures on the board, so no 2VP PO for him this round. He *might* be able to get the Outer Rims PO, doesn't currently have enough TGs for the spend 3/3/3 objective, but could easily attain the 5 non-fighters objective, so let's assume 1VP for Khell this round. He has 2 unfulfilled SOs, but shouldn't be able to afford either of them. That would bring him to 7VP this round.

I'm currently at 5VP. I currently don't qualify for any of the POs I haven't scored. I would need 1 additional TG and have none of my readied planets be taken from me to score the spend 3/3/3 objective, or I produce at home to build 5 destroyers or something to meet the 5 non-fighter ships objective. I have 1 SO which I will definitely be scoring this round, and will be drawing another. So assuming I don't do anything about Twelve and just think about the VPs I need, I would end this round at 7VP. If I did something about Twelve's homeworld, I'd lose a VP from Twelve's Support for the Throne and only gain 1 VP from the SOs so would end the round at 5VP.

Based on the above, I'm going to be producing at home as my last action otherwise I really have no hope of winning. I'll still be in last place, but no one else will be above 8VP except Tatts who we've pretty much already done what we can about, and likely a few of you can't score your SOs, so will be in the same position as I am.

It then comes to what the new PO is and whether we can stop Twelve from pulling off an Imperial win in the first turn of the next action phase.

This post has been edited by Blend: 02 March 2021 - 10:03 PM

[Tattersail_]

I cannot add to my fleet supply so that one is also unachievable. You well and truly screwed me.

[twelve]

I'm pretty sure IHs racial tech stops ships even with the light wave Deflectors. You would have to remove a structure to move closer to IH's homeworld.

[Imperial Historian]

That generally agrees with my analysis except:

I can't score the outer rim PO, but I can score the 5 fleet PO

Khell will easily be able to take Bakal off you and score the 5 fleet PO from what I can see of the board, he's clearly set himself up to do it but is stalling in the hope you damage one of his rivals/make things easier when you move troops out, so he's at 8 vp too
Twelve can't reach his homeworld from Rex as far as I can see it's too far to move more than one carrier/you have a crusier in his way, and he only has 1 CT available so he can't do reclaim him homeworld plus build more

Tatts was totally screwed by the lodor move (unless he has one specific action card) so can probably only score an SO this round, which from his actions I assume was scorable.



I'd be willing to throw in a TG to you to take twelve's homeworld FYI.

And I wish you'd come to this realisation sooner as you could have aetherstreamed me into his homeworld if you had.

[Blend]

twelve, on 02 March 2021 - 10:18 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure IHs racial tech stops ships even with the light wave Deflectors. You would have to remove a structure to move closer to IH's homeworld.

Oh yes, and there's that.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 02 March 2021 - 10:18 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure IHs racial tech stops ships even with the light wave Deflectors. You would have to remove a structure to move closer to IH's homeworld.

And yes it does, otherwise I would not have left it empty

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2021 - 10:35 PM, said:

That generally agrees with my analysis except:

I can't score the outer rim PO, but I can score the 5 fleet PO

Khell will easily be able to take Bakal off you and score the 5 fleet PO from what I can see of the board, he's clearly set himself up to do it but is stalling in the hope you damage one of his rivals/make things easier when you move troops out, so he's at 8 vp too
Twelve can't reach his homeworld from Rex as far as I can see it's too far to move more than one carrier/you have a crusier in his way, and he only has 1 CT available so he can't do reclaim him homeworld plus build more

Tatts was totally screwed by the lodor move (unless he has one specific action card) so can probably only score an SO this round, which from his actions I assume was scorable.



I'd be willing to throw in a TG to you to take twelve's homeworld FYI.

And I wish you'd come to this realisation sooner as you could have aetherstreamed me into his homeworld if you had.

You should have asked, I would have aetherstreamed you to his homeworld. Even if you give me a TG, though, Twelve will likely take Primor to prevent me from scoring the PO, or Tatts could definitely take one of my untapped planets near my home system (or my home system) still.

[Imperial Historian]

For me this is probably going to be decided by the PO draw:

If no-one can score it Tatts wins as it will be almost impossible to stop him getting 7 structure next round (or Morgoth if he has a load of action phase SOs)

If twelve can score it/has a scorable SO he wins with imperial.

If I can score it, and twelve can't I probably win on initiative.

That said sadly not a huge number of scorable PO's for me (or not ones that will be scorable with the board attacking me for a round)

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 02 March 2021 - 10:38 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2021 - 10:35 PM, said:

That generally agrees with my analysis except:

I can't score the outer rim PO, but I can score the 5 fleet PO

Khell will easily be able to take Bakal off you and score the 5 fleet PO from what I can see of the board, he's clearly set himself up to do it but is stalling in the hope you damage one of his rivals/make things easier when you move troops out, so he's at 8 vp too
Twelve can't reach his homeworld from Rex as far as I can see it's too far to move more than one carrier/you have a crusier in his way, and he only has 1 CT available so he can't do reclaim him homeworld plus build more

Tatts was totally screwed by the lodor move (unless he has one specific action card) so can probably only score an SO this round, which from his actions I assume was scorable.



I'd be willing to throw in a TG to you to take twelve's homeworld FYI.

And I wish you'd come to this realisation sooner as you could have aetherstreamed me into his homeworld if you had.

You should have asked, I would have aetherstreamed you to his homeworld. Even if you give me a TG, though, Twelve will likely take Primor to prevent me from scoring the PO, or Tatts could definitely take one of my untapped planets near my home system (or my home system) still.

I did think about it, but you were so insistent on taking his homeworld, and his homeworld looked scary

[Imperial Historian]

So Morgoth grabs a SO win this round, or next round is firework central as everyone I think could feasibly win depending on the PO's!

I really wish there was a strategy card in the game that let you look at the public objectives like politics lets you look at agendas. The variety of these new POs makes this last bit of the game very hard to plan for!

[twelve]

Before Blend broke our deal I had planned on bringing troops back from Rex to go with the ships I built. If he had only waited a couple hours before he broke it.... sigh

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 02 March 2021 - 10:38 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2021 - 10:35 PM, said:

That generally agrees with my analysis except:

I can't score the outer rim PO, but I can score the 5 fleet PO

Khell will easily be able to take Bakal off you and score the 5 fleet PO from what I can see of the board, he's clearly set himself up to do it but is stalling in the hope you damage one of his rivals/make things easier when you move troops out, so he's at 8 vp too
Twelve can't reach his homeworld from Rex as far as I can see it's too far to move more than one carrier/you have a crusier in his way, and he only has 1 CT available so he can't do reclaim him homeworld plus build more

Tatts was totally screwed by the lodor move (unless he has one specific action card) so can probably only score an SO this round, which from his actions I assume was scorable.



I'd be willing to throw in a TG to you to take twelve's homeworld FYI.

And I wish you'd come to this realisation sooner as you could have aetherstreamed me into his homeworld if you had.

You should have asked, I would have aetherstreamed you to his homeworld. Even if you give me a TG, though, Twelve will likely take Primor to prevent me from scoring the PO, or Tatts could definitely take one of my untapped planets near my home system (or my home system) still.

I'm not going to give you any more POs. My one shot at The Dark was only to prevent the Stellar Converter. My interest in you has wained

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 02 March 2021 - 10:56 PM, said:

Before Blend broke our deal I had planned on bringing troops back from Rex to go with the ships I built. If he had only waited a couple hours before he broke it.... sigh

You got away with it, my opportunity to take your homeworld was last turn.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 02 March 2021 - 10:56 PM, said:

Before Blend broke our deal I had planned on bringing troops back from Rex to go with the ships I built. If he had only waited a couple hours before he broke it.... sigh

What deal did he break?

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2021 - 10:50 PM, said:

So Morgoth grabs a SO win this round, or next round is firework central as everyone I think could feasibly win depending on the PO's!

I really wish there was a strategy card in the game that let you look at the public objectives like politics lets you look at agendas. The variety of these new POs makes this last bit of the game very hard to plan for!

How can Morgoth grab an SO win?

[Blend]

Tattersail_, on 02 March 2021 - 11:06 PM, said:

twelve, on 02 March 2021 - 10:56 PM, said:

Before Blend broke our deal I had planned on bringing troops back from Rex to go with the ships I built. If he had only waited a couple hours before he broke it.... sigh

What deal did he break?

I didn't let him use my Aetherstream ability earlier in the round.

[Blend]

Blend, on 02 March 2021 - 11:44 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 March 2021 - 11:06 PM, said:

twelve, on 02 March 2021 - 10:56 PM, said:

Before Blend broke our deal I had planned on bringing troops back from Rex to go with the ships I built. If he had only waited a couple hours before he broke it.... sigh

What deal did he break?

I didn't let him use my Aetherstream ability earlier in the round.

You know, now I think of it, I do believe the ability I agreed to allow Twelve to use for Primor was my Aether passage ability, so I technically didn't break my deal, whereas Twelve did!!! TWELVE IS A NO GOOD DEAL BREAKER EVERYONE!!!!

[Blend]

Tattersail_, on 02 March 2021 - 11:16 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2021 - 10:50 PM, said:

So Morgoth grabs a SO win this round, or next round is firework central as everyone I think could feasibly win depending on the PO's!

I really wish there was a strategy card in the game that let you look at the public objectives like politics lets you look at agendas. The variety of these new POs makes this last bit of the game very hard to plan for!

How can Morgoth grab an SO win?

Yeah, not sure how he gets to that either - Morgoth's at 6VP right now, there's no way for him to score 4VP this round for a win, even if he COULD score the 2VP PO.

[Blend]

Tattersail_, on 02 March 2021 - 11:04 PM, said:

I'm not going to give you any more POs. My one shot at The Dark was only to prevent the Stellar Converter. My interest in you has wained

Not sure what you mean here - you say your interest in me has wained but that you're still going prevent me from getting any more POs?

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 02 March 2021 - 11:46 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 March 2021 - 11:16 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2021 - 10:50 PM, said:

So Morgoth grabs a SO win this round, or next round is firework central as everyone I think could feasibly win depending on the PO's!

I really wish there was a strategy card in the game that let you look at the public objectives like politics lets you look at agendas. The variety of these new POs makes this last bit of the game very hard to plan for!

How can Morgoth grab an SO win?

Yeah, not sure how he gets to that either - Morgoth's at 6VP right now, there's no way for him to score 4VP this round for a win, even if he COULD score the 2VP PO.

He plays imperial scores 1vp, he then has 3 more POs he can score thanks to his relic, if one of them is an action phase SO or a agenda phase SO he can score it. Then he scores a regular PO and an SO in the status phase.

4 points, morgoth wins.