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Posted 26 February 2021 - 03:57 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's all very exciting, by my reckoning the only way to definitely prevent tatts winning this round is for him to lose one of lodor/cealdri/xanhact, or he loses thibah and someone plays an action card which removes a structure.

I don't see many ways to achieve that even if my warsun moved to lodor, odds of me winning the ground combat are slim, and as I'd be losing my sftt that's not something I'd do for free.

I do see a way for blend to do that but would require a combo move with me and seems unlikely to occur.


I see it too. I almost prevented it from happening last turn but barring miracles I think I can prevent that one and retaliate even better. I've been saving my action cards and know no one has a sabotage as of yet.

Basically there's no point in taking me down if they cannot win it themselves.

Seriously Morgoth, Khell and Twelve can rightly get 10 points next round 100%. It may just come down to initiative.

Going all out against me for no real gain seems like you would rather someone else win other than me if you get me.

I've attacked no one this game so far but I'm poised to be a bitch if someone harasses me.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 03:57 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's all very exciting, by my reckoning the only way to definitely prevent tatts winning this round is for him to lose one of lodor/cealdri/xanhact, or he loses thibah and someone plays an action card which removes a structure.

I don't see many ways to achieve that even if my warsun moved to lodor, odds of me winning the ground combat are slim, and as I'd be losing my sftt that's not something I'd do for free.

I do see a way for blend to do that but would require a combo move with me and seems unlikely to occur.


The one thing I could contribute is my Hero ability, but I’m not convinced I want to in order to let someone else take over a system :p
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 03:59 PM

And Tatts, attacking me/using action cards on me will just convince me to use the Hero on you :p
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 04:01 PM

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And Tatts, attacking me/using action cards on me will just convince me to use the Hero on you :p


I haven't attacked you all game. You got the best out of my faction card and Hope's End.

We're both in a good position because of this peace. Exactly why I just called you a bully.

Your fucking hero.

Its going to be tight. You'd be letting Blend swoop in and take everything over.

Too many variables for me to work with.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 04:15 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 26 February 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 26 February 2021 - 03:59 PM, said:

And Tatts, attacking me/using action cards on me will just convince me to use the Hero on you :p


I haven't attacked you all game. You got the best out of my faction card and Hope's End.

We're both in a good position because of this peace. Exactly why I just called you a bully.

Your fucking hero.

Its going to be tight. You'd be letting Blend swoop in and take everything over.

Too many variables for me to work with.



As I said, I'd actually much rather not play it when it doesn't directly benefit me to do it. It's more like only in the case that this game will definitely finish if I don't play it right now. So at the moment I have no intention to use it.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 04:24 PM

Here's me thinking I can just remove Blends Dreadnought to prevent Steller Converter.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 04:56 PM

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Going all out against me for no real gain seems like you would rather someone else win other than me if you get me.


In legit every single game we've played we've always done what we could to make the game last as long as we could to allow as many people as possible a chance at the win. Why would we stop doing that now? That's like saying last round that you just didn't want Khell to win, which is only half the truth. Ensuring the points leader can't pull off a win gives the rest of the board a chance at the win. Not doing anything about it would be kingmaking, as in rather than make you earn it like we've made everyone earn it in every game, we've just let you take it.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM

Twelve took Rex from Khell which not only slowed Khell but put him in a position to try and win.

Thats understandable. He didn't just do it to slow the game down. I'm hoping that if you move against me its because it gets you closer to a point.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM

That's bizzare my cunning plan to guarantee the game extends post has disappeared. But i activate blends homeworld move in a destroyer, give him a PN, he retreats his dread, then uses stellar converter, uncounterable everyone celebrates my genius.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:30 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's all very exciting, by my reckoning the only way to definitely prevent tatts winning this round is for him to lose one of lodor/cealdri/xanhact, or he loses thibah and someone plays an action card which removes a structure.

I don't see many ways to achieve that even if my warsun moved to lodor, odds of me winning the ground combat are slim, and as I'd be losing my sftt that's not something I'd do for free.

I do see a way for blend to do that but would require a combo move with me and seems unlikely to occur.


So my plan this round was going to be to stall as long as I can to ensure Twelve makes me the speaker and, assuming he keeps his side of that deal, move my destroyer through the ion storm to flip it to Alpha, then move my fleet from Bakal/Alio Prima and my dread to the Ion Storm and Stellar Converter Lodor. That would destroy 2 of his structures, thus ensuring he couldn't score the 2VP PO.

Happy to help any other way folks can see.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:31 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

Twelve took Rex from Khell which not only slowed Khell but put him in a position to try and win.

Thats understandable. He didn't just do it to slow the game down. I'm hoping that if you move against me its because it gets you closer to a point.


I can't win if you win. Preventing you from winning therefore gets me closer to winning.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:32 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

That's bizzare my cunning plan to guarantee the game extends post has disappeared. But i activate blends homeworld move in a destroyer, give him a PN, he retreats his dread, then uses stellar converter, uncounterable everyone celebrates my genius.


This wouldn't work, Stellar Converter only targets planets in adjacent systems. If I retreat from my HW, I can only get to a Gamma Wormhole, which would only allow me to Stellar Converter Mallice, which doesn't have any structures on it.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:34 PM

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View PostTattersail_, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

Twelve took Rex from Khell which not only slowed Khell but put him in a position to try and win.

Thats understandable. He didn't just do it to slow the game down. I'm hoping that if you move against me its because it gets you closer to a point.


I can't win if you win. Preventing you from winning therefore gets me closer to winning.


You're legit the only person within striking distance of a win this round, so the only way any of the rest of us can win is if we take you out from striking distance of the win, so that's what we'll do, or at least try to do.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:40 PM

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:32 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

That's bizzare my cunning plan to guarantee the game extends post has disappeared. But i activate blends homeworld move in a destroyer, give him a PN, he retreats his dread, then uses stellar converter, uncounterable everyone celebrates my genius.


This wouldn't work, Stellar Converter only targets planets in adjacent systems. If I retreat from my HW, I can only get to a Gamma Wormhole, which would only allow me to Stellar Converter Mallice, which doesn't have any structures on it.

Move your fleet with your Dread over Malice and then you can steller conversation Lodor. That takes out 2 structures in 1 fell swoop
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:41 PM

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View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:32 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

That's bizzare my cunning plan to guarantee the game extends post has disappeared. But i activate blends homeworld move in a destroyer, give him a PN, he retreats his dread, then uses stellar converter, uncounterable everyone celebrates my genius.


This wouldn't work, Stellar Converter only targets planets in adjacent systems. If I retreat from my HW, I can only get to a Gamma Wormhole, which would only allow me to Stellar Converter Mallice, which doesn't have any structures on it.

Move your fleet with your Dread over Malice and then you can steller conversation Lodor. That takes out 2 structures in 1 fell swoop


I posted my actual plan above. I do plan to Stellar Converter Lodor.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:45 PM

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:41 PM, said:

View Posttwelve, on 26 February 2021 - 05:40 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:32 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

That's bizzare my cunning plan to guarantee the game extends post has disappeared. But i activate blends homeworld move in a destroyer, give him a PN, he retreats his dread, then uses stellar converter, uncounterable everyone celebrates my genius.


This wouldn't work, Stellar Converter only targets planets in adjacent systems. If I retreat from my HW, I can only get to a Gamma Wormhole, which would only allow me to Stellar Converter Mallice, which doesn't have any structures on it.

Move your fleet with your Dread over Malice and then you can steller conversation Lodor. That takes out 2 structures in 1 fell swoop


I posted my actual plan above. I do plan to Stellar Converter Lodor.


I must have missed that earlier. Nice.

What is the strategy card you are looking to get with with Speaker token by the way?
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 05:47 PM

View Posttwelve, on 26 February 2021 - 05:45 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:41 PM, said:

View Posttwelve, on 26 February 2021 - 05:40 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:32 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

That's bizzare my cunning plan to guarantee the game extends post has disappeared. But i activate blends homeworld move in a destroyer, give him a PN, he retreats his dread, then uses stellar converter, uncounterable everyone celebrates my genius.


This wouldn't work, Stellar Converter only targets planets in adjacent systems. If I retreat from my HW, I can only get to a Gamma Wormhole, which would only allow me to Stellar Converter Mallice, which doesn't have any structures on it.

Move your fleet with your Dread over Malice and then you can steller conversation Lodor. That takes out 2 structures in 1 fell swoop


I posted my actual plan above. I do plan to Stellar Converter Lodor.


I must have missed that earlier. Nice.

What is the strategy card you are looking to get with with Speaker token by the way?


It really depends on what PO comes up. I have no hope of scoring the current 2VP PO, so I just want a chance to choose something that will allow me to score whatever 2VP PO comes up next.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 06:15 PM

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:32 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 05:00 PM, said:

That's bizzare my cunning plan to guarantee the game extends post has disappeared. But i activate blends homeworld move in a destroyer, give him a PN, he retreats his dread, then uses stellar converter, uncounterable everyone celebrates my genius.


This wouldn't work, Stellar Converter only targets planets in adjacent systems. If I retreat from my HW, I can only get to a Gamma Wormhole, which would only allow me to Stellar Converter Mallice, which doesn't have any structures on it.


No you could stellar converter cealdri or xanhact through the gamma wormhole which are the only two other planets tatts could get 2 structures on.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 06:18 PM

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:30 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's all very exciting, by my reckoning the only way to definitely prevent tatts winning this round is for him to lose one of lodor/cealdri/xanhact, or he loses thibah and someone plays an action card which removes a structure.

I don't see many ways to achieve that even if my warsun moved to lodor, odds of me winning the ground combat are slim, and as I'd be losing my sftt that's not something I'd do for free.

I do see a way for blend to do that but would require a combo move with me and seems unlikely to occur.


So my plan this round was going to be to stall as long as I can to ensure Twelve makes me the speaker and, assuming he keeps his side of that deal, move my destroyer through the ion storm to flip it to Alpha, then move my fleet from Bakal/Alio Prima and my dread to the Ion Storm and Stellar Converter Lodor. That would destroy 2 of his structures, thus ensuring he couldn't score the 2VP PO.

Happy to help any other way folks can see.


Could work, tatts may be able to counter this as he also has a vast amount of stalls.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 06:28 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 06:18 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 26 February 2021 - 05:30 PM, said:

View PostImperial Historian, on 26 February 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

It's all very exciting, by my reckoning the only way to definitely prevent tatts winning this round is for him to lose one of lodor/cealdri/xanhact, or he loses thibah and someone plays an action card which removes a structure.

I don't see many ways to achieve that even if my warsun moved to lodor, odds of me winning the ground combat are slim, and as I'd be losing my sftt that's not something I'd do for free.

I do see a way for blend to do that but would require a combo move with me and seems unlikely to occur.


So my plan this round was going to be to stall as long as I can to ensure Twelve makes me the speaker and, assuming he keeps his side of that deal, move my destroyer through the ion storm to flip it to Alpha, then move my fleet from Bakal/Alio Prima and my dread to the Ion Storm and Stellar Converter Lodor. That would destroy 2 of his structures, thus ensuring he couldn't score the 2VP PO.

Happy to help any other way folks can see.


Could work, tatts may be able to counter this as he also has a vast amount of stalls.


I'm not really worried about how long Tatts stalls, I just want to make sure Twelve does as he agreed to do before I waste any tactical actions I might need to keep my end of the threat on Twelve's game real on stopping Tatts.
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