[Morgoth]

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:21 PM, said:

No that is incorrect, on your turn when you do your secondary I would immediately cash in your trade agreement. I can't cash in your trade agreement before you go.

I am only doing binding deals where possible (see what happens with twelve for nonbinding deals) , since you didn't have a TG a deal where you gave me a TG wouldn't be binding. Wheras a deal where you give me your trade agreement is binding and is effectively the same.

Your move as written doesn't work. I will not accept a deal for a TG after the fact, so you can either do the TA deal, or pay for trade secondary with a CT.

I never agreed to do a trade agreement trade though. I specifically said yes to what twelve offered just above me. Refresh for 1 tg.

but I realise you didn't offer what I thought you offered, so I'll redo my turn.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 14 September 2020 - 05:41 PM

[twelve]

IH if you want to get technical whether it was intentional or not you broke a non binding deal with me first and technically I haven't. At least not yet. As long as I pay you I wont. I'm even going to count my next action as my first action on the counter timer to when I do pay you. Though I doubt I'll get 4 actions next round even with leadership.

[Imperial Historian]

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:21 PM, said:

No that is incorrect, on your turn when you do your secondary I would immediately cash in your trade agreement. I can't cash in your trade agreement before you go.

I am only doing binding deals where possible (see what happens with twelve for nonbinding deals) , since you didn't have a TG a deal where you gave me a TG wouldn't be binding. Wheras a deal where you give me your trade agreement is binding and is effectively the same.

Your move as written doesn't work. I will not accept a deal for a TG after the fact, so you can either do the TA deal, or pay for trade secondary with a CT.

I never agreed to do a trade agreement trade though. I specifically said yes to what twelve offered just above me. Refresh for 1 tg.

but I realise you didn't offer what I thought you offered, so I'll redo my turn.

I misunderstood then

[Imperial Historian]

D'rek I would give tatts my commodities instead of morgoth. Technically I wouldn't have done a deal with morgoth or tatts where i refreshed them before they gave me a TG, but I can't be bothered arguing it further since the deal as written is effectively the same as me giving him 2 TG and refreshing.

[Morgoth]

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:21 PM, said:

No that is incorrect, on your turn when you do your secondary I would immediately cash in your trade agreement. I can't cash in your trade agreement before you go.

I am only doing binding deals where possible (see what happens with twelve for nonbinding deals) , since you didn't have a TG a deal where you gave me a TG wouldn't be binding. Wheras a deal where you give me your trade agreement is binding and is effectively the same.

Your move as written doesn't work. I will not accept a deal for a TG after the fact, so you can either do the TA deal, or pay for trade secondary with a CT.

I never agreed to do a trade agreement trade though. I specifically said yes to what twelve offered just above me. Refresh for 1 tg.

but I realise you didn't offer what I thought you offered, so I'll redo my turn.

I misunderstood then

no worries, it all worked out in the end.

[twelve]

Okay Tatts. You coming in? Or are you using your last ct to drop 2 more dudes on Rex? At this point if you leave me be I dont care about rex anymore. We can exchange ceasefires and if you are lucky to retain unprotected systems you can focus on shoring them up and, you know focus on scoring points.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 06:03 PM, said:

D'rek I would give tatts my commodities instead of morgoth. Technically I wouldn't have done a deal with morgoth or tatts where i refreshed them before they gave me a TG, but I can't be bothered arguing it further since the deal as written is effectively the same as me giving him 2 TG and refreshing.

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:21 PM, said:

No that is incorrect, on your turn when you do your secondary I would immediately cash in your trade agreement. I can't cash in your trade agreement before you go.

I am only doing binding deals where possible (see what happens with twelve for nonbinding deals) , since you didn't have a TG a deal where you gave me a TG wouldn't be binding. Wheras a deal where you give me your trade agreement is binding and is effectively the same.

Your move as written doesn't work. I will not accept a deal for a TG after the fact, so you can either do the TA deal, or pay for trade secondary with a CT.

I never agreed to do a trade agreement trade though. I specifically said yes to what twelve offered just above me. Refresh for 1 tg.

but I realise you didn't offer what I thought you offered, so I'll redo my turn.

I misunderstood then

no worries, it all worked out in the end.

Ok so if you two are saying this:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 03:31 PM, said:

Play Trade, gain 3 TG, refresh commodities

Swear at blend and begrudgingly give him a free refresh
Trade Morgoth 2 commodities for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh
Trade Tatts 3 TG for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh
Give Twelve a free refresh, for promise of 1TG when next able

is valid/correct/agreed upon, then this:

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Trade secondary - refresh commodities for free. Give 1 commodity to IH.

Trade 2:2 with twelve.

Is no longer valid as IH immediately plays that trade agreement to take Morgoth's commodities when he refreshes. That leaves Morgoth with just the 2 trade goods he got from IH on IH's turn - no commodities and also not enough TG to both give 1 to IH and 2 to Twelve.

[Imperial Historian]

So Morgoth doesn't give me a TG and swaps 2 TG for 2 commodities with twelve?

[Morgoth]

D, on 14 September 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 06:03 PM, said:

D'rek I would give tatts my commodities instead of morgoth. Technically I wouldn't have done a deal with morgoth or tatts where i refreshed them before they gave me a TG, but I can't be bothered arguing it further since the deal as written is effectively the same as me giving him 2 TG and refreshing.

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:21 PM, said:

No that is incorrect, on your turn when you do your secondary I would immediately cash in your trade agreement. I can't cash in your trade agreement before you go.

I am only doing binding deals where possible (see what happens with twelve for nonbinding deals) , since you didn't have a TG a deal where you gave me a TG wouldn't be binding. Wheras a deal where you give me your trade agreement is binding and is effectively the same.

Your move as written doesn't work. I will not accept a deal for a TG after the fact, so you can either do the TA deal, or pay for trade secondary with a CT.

I never agreed to do a trade agreement trade though. I specifically said yes to what twelve offered just above me. Refresh for 1 tg.

but I realise you didn't offer what I thought you offered, so I'll redo my turn.

I misunderstood then

no worries, it all worked out in the end.

Ok so if you two are saying this:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 03:31 PM, said:

Play Trade, gain 3 TG, refresh commodities

Swear at blend and begrudgingly give him a free refresh
Trade Morgoth 2 commodities for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh
Trade Tatts 3 TG for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh
Give Twelve a free refresh, for promise of 1TG when next able

is valid/correct/agreed upon, then this:

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Trade secondary - refresh commodities for free. Give 1 commodity to IH.

Trade 2:2 with twelve.

Is no longer valid as IH immediately plays that trade agreement to take Morgoth's commodities when he refreshes. That leaves Morgoth with just the 2 trade goods he got from IH on IH's turn - no commodities and also not enough TG to both give 1 to IH and 2 to Twelve.

I never gave IH my trade agreement. That was a missunderstanding.

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 08:33 PM, said:

D, on 14 September 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 06:03 PM, said:

D'rek I would give tatts my commodities instead of morgoth. Technically I wouldn't have done a deal with morgoth or tatts where i refreshed them before they gave me a TG, but I can't be bothered arguing it further since the deal as written is effectively the same as me giving him 2 TG and refreshing.

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:40 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 05:21 PM, said:

No that is incorrect, on your turn when you do your secondary I would immediately cash in your trade agreement. I can't cash in your trade agreement before you go.

I am only doing binding deals where possible (see what happens with twelve for nonbinding deals) , since you didn't have a TG a deal where you gave me a TG wouldn't be binding. Wheras a deal where you give me your trade agreement is binding and is effectively the same.

Your move as written doesn't work. I will not accept a deal for a TG after the fact, so you can either do the TA deal, or pay for trade secondary with a CT.

I never agreed to do a trade agreement trade though. I specifically said yes to what twelve offered just above me. Refresh for 1 tg.

but I realise you didn't offer what I thought you offered, so I'll redo my turn.

I misunderstood then

no worries, it all worked out in the end.

Ok so if you two are saying this:

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 03:31 PM, said:

Play Trade, gain 3 TG, refresh commodities

Swear at blend and begrudgingly give him a free refresh
Trade Morgoth 2 commodities for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh
Trade Tatts 3 TG for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh
Give Twelve a free refresh, for promise of 1TG when next able

is valid/correct/agreed upon, then this:

Morgoth, on 14 September 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Trade secondary - refresh commodities for free. Give 1 commodity to IH.

Trade 2:2 with twelve.

Is no longer valid as IH immediately plays that trade agreement to take Morgoth's commodities when he refreshes. That leaves Morgoth with just the 2 trade goods he got from IH on IH's turn - no commodities and also not enough TG to both give 1 to IH and 2 to Twelve.

I never gave IH my trade agreement. That was a missunderstanding.

But then you said "no worries it all works out" and posted your turn anyways so that sounds like you agreed to it after all.

Figure it out between you two and edit your posts to be what is correct please.

[Imperial Historian]

I think me doing:
Trade Morgoth 2 commodities for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh

Then Morgoth doing

Recieve 2 TG Trade secondary - refresh commodities for free. IH gains 3 TG

Then whatever trade you want to make with twelve:

Trade 2:2 with twelve.



Which effectively gives me 1TG

[Morgoth]

I don't understand why this seems to get so complicated. My impression was that I was offering one tg to IH for a free refresh. Ergo, I would give him one of my commodities. This is a kind of deal we've done with trade in these games numerous times.

At any rate. This is how I saw it. IH gives me a free refresh, which provides me 3 commodities. I give one of those commodities to IH as payment, and trade 2 commodities with twelve. Thus, I am left with 2 tg. IH with 1.

[Tattersail_]

I've left a provisional with Drek.

[Imperial Historian]

Imperial Historian, on 14 September 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

I think me doing:
Trade Morgoth 2 commodities for Trade Agreement - give him free refresh

Then Morgoth doing

Recieve 2 TG Trade secondary - refresh commodities for free. IH gains 3 TG

Then whatever trade you want to make with twelve:

Trade 2:2 with twelve.



Which effectively gives me 1TG

And I'm saying the above deal results in you getting 2 TG and me getting one, the difference being that this is a binding deal whilst the deal you propose is non binding, and you could agree to the deal and not give me a TG. I don't think this is complicated.

If you don't want to do it that's fine.

[Imperial Historian]

I've edited my post to reflect the deal as you see it Morgoth, not worth arguing about it let's move on

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 14 September 2020 - 09:28 PM, said:

I've left a provisional with Drek.

It's your turn

[D'rek]

It's posted now. I have a few things going on tonight so won't be able to resolve until a few hours from now, unfortunately. But I'll do a full resolution + map update before the end of tonight.

[Blend]

I will wait until all that is done to post my next turn.

[twelve]

Blend, on 14 September 2020 - 10:56 PM, said:

I will wait until all that is done to post my next turn.

When Tatts takes my planets we wont be neighbors so we wont be able to trade until the agenda phase. Fyi

[twelve]

D, on 14 September 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

It's posted now. I have a few things going on tonight so won't be able to resolve until a few hours from now, unfortunately. But I'll do a full resolution + map update before the end of tonight.

Well my goal is to kill at least 2 of Tatts infantry. If the battle calculator is to be believed I have a 1 in 3 chance of killing 1 of his dudes in each fight so I'd put my odds roughly 50 50 I get there overall.