[Sheltatha Lore]

 Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 09:29 PM, said:

 Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 12:50 AM, said:

 Skintick, on 13 May 2020 - 12:26 AM, said:

close my eyes to get away from the screen for a few minutes.




Next thing I see it's (late) evening.




Gonna go eat something, then re-read and see whose arguments I like the least.

remove vote


vote Skintick



Im thinking Tennes mentioned your name and your symp Arantha came out swinging to your defence via deflecting.

how you like them apples?

This is silly, Sheltatha, and makes you look like you're panic-voting.

what am I mean to be panicking about?
At least make something up...antything.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Well fuck me sideways if i've ever seen someone post pad this badly before today.

Vote Thyrllan.


Ive never seems someone post so much NOTHING in a sitting.
How many times did you point out Merrids "last post" again?
Three?

[Barghast]

Venesara today feels like Okral 2.0, Kalse doesn't hesitate to jump in earlyish again

Re Thyr derailment: I think I said dubious shit started to happen around the time Thy got 2 votes, and as you listed yourself Tennes (i belive it was you) there were quite a few things that fit that description going on, and with the limited data Thyr fit the killer profile better than most imo (and still does). My other choice for vote was Gait so agree on those suspicions. And regarding Kalse, well he's playing, dare I say it already, clean. If he's scum he's probably unlikely to show much of it in his posting style.

[Barghast]

vote Thyrllan

for now

What has been said, and because I consider it a better alternative to Venesara or any other current votes and don't see much use casting a new vote, though at this point I'd be satisfied with a vote for Gait too

"It was Nothing. And it got bigger and bigger."

[Barghast]

That should be 3 for ven and 4 for thyr

[Tennes]

@Hanas

 Hanas, on 14 May 2020 - 08:43 PM, said:

 Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 08:27 PM, said:

Votes 7-11: Aranatha, Ruse, Jalan, Prazec, Merrid.
At this stage of the train there are also three alternative suggestions: Merrid (from Okral), Thyr (from Barghast), Osseric (from Hanas).
Honorable mentions go to Venesara, who at L-1 and an hour or so to timeout was pondering what we're waiting for WITHOUT CASTING A VOTE and Hanas who was around before timeout but held with switching from Osseric until the lynch was already secured and gave some weird ass 'just in case of a miscount' justification.

If it had been needed I'd be enjoying you humbly licking my feet right about now.

[SNIP]

Yes Hanas, if you did something useful, that would have been good. But instead you decided to be useless instead. Not exactly the townie move you're trying to present it to be.


@Gait

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 09:01 PM, said:

 Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

[snip]

So in a span of few hours, Gait goes from this is a derailment to jumping on the train. Before their vote there was 3 on Okral, 2 on me, and 1 on Skintick. So for someone claiming Okral train and Shel/Ara argument and Ruse's post were all attempts to derail, Gait surely made peace very quickly with jumping on the Okral train with a vote that was crucial to give it momentum.

I need to make more tea and answer some emails now but more to follow. In the meantime, I'd like Gait to explain helping push the Okral train if you thought it was an attempt at derailment?

I think this argument is not quite saying what I think you want it to say. Heres why:

1. my interaction with Kalse was off a misread of his suspicion of Okral Lom whom he thought might be symping me. I didn't understand that and thought Kalse was hating on my bear joke. Kalse explained their reasoning and I saw their point of view. that took three replies from me, 2 from Kalse and a Vote on Kalse from Sheltatha to resolve. Note Sheltatha made the same mistake and was happy to Vote on it then retract said vote when I was corrected.


2. I'm not pushing the derailment argument, quite the opposite. I have said several times that it looks like derailment. That doesn't mean I am convinced that it is. Thats a direct misrepresentation. I may suspect Thyr as he went quite after garnering some heat but there's nothing from Thyr to actually warrant a case against them yet. Nothing tangible and that is even more alarming. Day 1 came to an end with 0 voting activity from Thyr, and they may be entering modkill territory for inactivity. I think this is the perfect player for scum to try pile on suspicion so I'm taking a step back.

1. Fair enough.

2. Waaaaait a minute. This part:
I'm not pushing the derailment argument, quite the opposite. I have said several times that it looks like derailment. That doesn't mean I am convinced that it is.
is a meaningless, contradictory word salad. You're now saying you're pushing THE OPPOSITE of the argument that Thyr train was derailed, which apparently means that it only LOOKS LIKE IT WAS but you are not sure whether it in fact was. What? Is this some Schoredinger's argument where you think there both was and wasn't an attempt to derail that train.

This are your words Gait (block quotes snipped):

 Gait, on 13 May 2020 - 05:37 AM, said:

I'll be honest, Aranatha and Sheltatha read hyper sensitive right now...although Aranatha might be the type of player to dive into arguments feet first. Shelly seems to have an "anywhere but here" vibe. I noted that before.

Its early and I tend to credit Symp cases once everyone has had a say. Still, I think someone hit the mark and scum might be flooding pages to draw attention off.

The only player that has had any real heat on them was Thyrllen whos been extremely mild.

Sheltatha started that train and I agree with the "perfectly average" reasoning. Sheltatha hasn't leaned into Thyrllen despite Thyrs continued mild play style. that feels a bit off. Okral Lom has also been perfectly average and chill but keeps a sharp eye on the game.


I think there may be something here. I keep thinking were I scum i'd play like one of these two.

 Gait, on 13 May 2020 - 05:19 PM, said:

I generally agree with this.

Okral aside I think The train on Thyr was derailed. I still stand by my vote since its highly informative. I am less confident of Okral with the random vote on Merrid.


If Okral is PI we have alot to look at voting wise.

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

How is this pushing the opposite of the derailment argument? You literally said, more than once, that you believe Thyr train was derailed. Why backtrack from this now?

I'm done for the day but I have a day off tomorrow so will be around if people want to chat. I want to lynch Prazec and test the freudian slip theory so I'll stay for now. Hopefully someone follows that idea.
Between Thyrllan and Venesara, I'll admit to having been convinced by Kalse'e arguments against Ven but now Barghast makes a good point that Ven train has Okral 2.0 written all over it.
Thyr has indeed started posting and yet it feels like the flurry of posts didn't actually bring much substance. Not sure yet which way I'd lean if these were the only lynch candidates.

[Rikkter]

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 05:34 PM, said:

read up. Two things I thought odd.Hanas didnt hammer. But made an attempt to.

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

10min to go? I'llRemove VoteVote Okrak LomIn case of any mistakes/misscounts.I'd not even noticed Okaros was in the game

This sort of making double sure doesnt gel with me...as in if you were around that close to games end why not vote earlier than the last desperate minute? why not do a recount if you were uncertain?. I'd find it hard to believe you weren't keeping count from PS update when you were so precise about the time.The Second thing was Prazec and Jalans votes. Minimum effort but just enough to push the train from uncertain to l-1.

 Jalan, on 13 May 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Checking in real quick. In the middle of changing my brakes after a near catastrophic failure. So I dont have alot of time. Thryllan was one of the early ones I was looking at. I will have to do more reading up later tonight. But to get a lynchVote Okral

 Prazec Goul, on 13 May 2020 - 07:22 PM, said:

Just a little over an hour to go.Vote Okaros

 Prazec Goul, on 13 May 2020 - 07:29 PM, said:

Oh duh. Thanks for that.remove voteVote Okral

I'm thinking about these three votes alot. I mean maybe its just me but I don't like the timing and the manner.

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen. Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

With regards to this.Thyrllen is bound to catch heat after a failed lynch. I want to hear more from this player but I notice how absent they've been might make them a perfect prop.Both Skintick and Sheltatha started to prod at Thyrllen. After no response both moved on mid game. Skin Voted Okral and Sheltatha Voted for Skintick but then later removed that vote.Thyrllens only real wrong has been absence but on review there were atleast 4 other players in that exact same category.Sheltatha has been SUPER vocal Day 1 however didn't really land on any vote at days end.I'd like to understand why.

These thoughts caught my attention most so far today. In some ways, keeping it simple seems like a good start with this game, although it will take some drudgery to get through the verbal vomitus of SL and others.

I agree that Hanas' vote makes absolutely no sense. Zero. About 20 minutes after a hammering vote. I will do a quoting spree on Hanas (shouldn't take up too much space) in the next post.

I was mostly fascinated watching the sharks circle Okral. I put the vote on him first when other votes were already in place on other people, so nothing much to stand out about him, but as usual, once he reached a certain threshold, the votes started sticking and accumulating. I will bet money scum are within the middle votes. And those that hover at the end (like Hanas and the ever so thoughtful Prazac giving everyone time to talk in the last hours) always raise my hackles.

Finally, always at the back of my head is the high likelihood of off thread comms between scum, debating the best moments to interject and best moments to fade away. At least with one lone wolf they are more likely to fuck up without someone else saving their ass.

[Rikkter]

 Hanas, on 11 May 2020 - 08:01 PM, said:

Checking in, unfashionably early.

At the beginning, Hanas is completely amicable and chatty. Joking around, quipping, etc. I am not going to burn up space posting it and trying to dig out some micro-nugget of truth.

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 09:58 AM, said:

I'm had a quick skim (yeah only a quick one) and it is nice to see some interaction there. I'll consider it this evening. Until then we have 4 alts who have only posted once. Get here people. Fanderay, Gamelon, Kilava, Osseric. All checked in but nothing since.Vote OssericFor having a single post and breaching lockdown

Typical townie move, exhorting absentees to post and pressure voting someone, as if that helps.

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 10:00 AM, said:

 Merrid, on 13 May 2020 - 09:57 AM, said:

As Day 1 suspicions go, I like Tennes' on Skintick possibly signalling Prazec, Shelly and/or Okral. Love the use of that 3/4 in the case - sometimes it is just that obvious However, I wouldn't go so far as to say all three are being signalled at. For example, mentioning Prazec and Shelly in the same sentence if they were both killers would be going too far into the blatant.

I've been more blatant than that before - just saying

 Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 09:51 AM, said:

 Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 08:22 AM, said:

As a side-note: I don't think Aranatha is scum. I'm sure as hell annoyed at their blinkers but this just feels like a classic bad town play.

i.e. village idiot

I think you're being a bit too sure about Anaratha this early on

"I've been more blatant than that before " Is that present tense? I love how people talk about what they are currently focused on (better example in a bit). Common roled/scum faux pas is talking about what role they have as if they are definitely not that role and are just speculating like the non-rolled town they aren't.

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 07:17 PM, said:

I'm going to be in and out for the next few hours if needed for a lynch. Very disappointed to see we still have 3 alts with only a single post. Could PS be a little more specific with how much time is left please.

Chastising for little discussion and content, and yet hovering with little to say themselves...

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:12 PM, said:

 Kalse, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 06:44 PM, said:

<snip>The fact that you still stick around after switching your vote to the likeliest lynch adds to its questionability

Lol it's the first time I see someone accused of the opposite of drive-by-voting

I meant that in the sense that Ara didn't really need to switch yet as apparently she knew she's gonna be around to switch later if there wasn't any other option

When there's a single likely train and you don't want to be one of the last few subject to most scrutiny...

So you say the last few on the train deserve scrutiny? How about the very last vot.....

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

10min to go? I'llRemove VoteVote Okrak LomIn case of any mistakes/misscounts.I'd not even noticed Okaros was in the game

Right. Exact. Last vote.

[bold]Vote Hanas[/bold]

Edited to Bold the vote.

This post has been edited by Rikkter: 15 May 2020 - 12:34 AM

[Fanderay]

Alright, I'm back to the thread. Also, how many posts is that from Thyrllan? Feels like shitty thread spam.

Hopefully some of those players with super low post counts will show up and post some shit that we can look at. I feel like there's some scum flying under the radar in that group.

 Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 09:56 PM, said:

 Fanderay, on 13 May 2020 - 03:39 PM, said:

 Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

 Fanderay, on 13 May 2020 - 01:10 PM, said:

Okral's last two posts are both pretty weird. I'll vote for him for now, but I'd like to see more thoughts from him. Sheltatha Lore and Aranatha had a bit of a spat, and I'll take a closer look at that later.

Vote Okral Lom

Aaaaaand we have the good old "Drive by vote" making an appearance.

I wasn't intending it to be a "Drive by vote". I was putting it on him to encourage him to reply, since while I do think his posts are suspicious, I'd also like to see if his pattern of behavior continues or if that last post was just him being weird once. I can see him legitimately being nervous about posting, but it's still an excuse. Him actually posting would give us more stuff to read and talk about regarding his lynch.

BTW, why are people assuming there's a symp or something? I don't see any evidence for it.

My thoughts on Aranatha: Made a few NAI posts and then jumped out on Tennes, saying they were basically guaranteed scum. I'm not sure if they're really that certain about Tennes or if they're just an aggressive villager trying to get some reactions. Then Aranatha and Sheltatha had a little conversation about Tennes that didn't seem to go that well. Aranatha's reactions felt pretty angry, but that could come from either a villager or scum. I'm suspicious about them for that initial Tennes vote though but everything else reads NAI or aggressive villager. If they keep up the Tennes tunnel I'll be a lot more suspicious. They did switch to Okral recently but then again so have most other people.

He goes from doing a classic drive by vote...to a shitty drive by vote excuse... to discussing scum mechanics... to then lamely stating randoms events that happened in the day without actually saying anything new... like its helpful.

Are you TRYING to get lynched?



if I was around earlier I would have voted your ass.

hahah...Whats that role called again?... that wins by getting lynched...haha... oh laaawdie imagine.

First of all, I wasn't discussing the scum mechanics so much as questioning why people were discussing it. I hadn't seen any real evidence that there were any symps.

My "random events", happened to be all about Aranatha. I'd like to see more stuff from them since their only post after the night was a really meh thing about how they didn't interact well with Tennes. Felt like an excuse to back off and say something like "oh I was just gut reading them badly" if they get pressured on it.

 Thyrllan, on 14 May 2020 - 10:11 PM, said:

OK, lots to digest. I've gotta get back to e-work but that's my catchup and contribution.

Tennes lost some of his scumminess when I finished the re-read. There were some questionable things I brought up, but I don't think Fanderay ever did his "re-read" so for now

Vote Fanderay

I kind of covered it in my post about Aranatha? I had thought that there would be more stuff to get out of it, but a decent percentage of it was just them attacking each other. It just seemed to be two pissed off villagers yelling at each other. I feel like if one of them was scum they might think they were drawing too much attention and calm down. I don't like Aranatha, but that's because of their super-certain read on Tennes, not because of anything they said in their chat with Sheltatha.

Right now I'm likely to vote for you. Your thread spam said almost nothing, and seemed to serve only to increase your post count. Why not collect it all into one post?

[Gait]

 Tennes, on 14 May 2020 - 11:47 PM, said:

[snip]

@Gait

[snip]

1. Fair enough.

2. Waaaaait a minute. This part:
I'm not pushing the derailment argument, quite the opposite. I have said several times that it looks like derailment. That doesn't mean I am convinced that it is.
is a meaningless, contradictory word salad. You're now saying you're pushing THE OPPOSITE of the argument that Thyr train was derailed, which apparently means that it only LOOKS LIKE IT WAS but you are not sure whether it in fact was. What? Is this some Schoredinger's argument where you think there both was and wasn't an attempt to derail that train.

This are your words Gait (block quotes snipped):

 Gait, on 13 May 2020 - 05:37 AM, said:

I'll be honest, Aranatha and Sheltatha read hyper sensitive right now...although Aranatha might be the type of player to dive into arguments feet first. Shelly seems to have an "anywhere but here" vibe. I noted that before.

Its early and I tend to credit Symp cases once everyone has had a say. Still, I think someone hit the mark and scum might be flooding pages to draw attention off.

The only player that has had any real heat on them was Thyrllen whos been extremely mild.

Sheltatha started that train and I agree with the "perfectly average" reasoning. Sheltatha hasn't leaned into Thyrllen despite Thyrs continued mild play style. that feels a bit off. Okral Lom has also been perfectly average and chill but keeps a sharp eye on the game.


I think there may be something here. I keep thinking were I scum i'd play like one of these two.

 Gait, on 13 May 2020 - 05:19 PM, said:

I generally agree with this.

Okral aside I think The train on Thyr was derailed. I still stand by my vote since its highly informative. I am less confident of Okral with the random vote on Merrid.


If Okral is PI we have alot to look at voting wise.

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

How is this pushing the opposite of the derailment argument? You literally said, more than once, that you believe Thyr train was derailed. Why backtrack from this now?

I'm done for the day but I have a day off tomorrow so will be around if people want to chat. I want to lynch Prazec and test the freudian slip theory so I'll stay for now. Hopefully someone follows that idea.
Between Thyrllan and Venesara, I'll admit to having been convinced by Kalse'e arguments against Ven but now Barghast makes a good point that Ven train has Okral 2.0 written all over it.
Thyr has indeed started posting and yet it feels like the flurry of posts didn't actually bring much substance. Not sure yet which way I'd lean if these were the only lynch candidates.

I started with this in mind and reread. I have underlined how I chose my words.

After my reread I added this last part which you edited out conveniently:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

With regards to this.

Thyrllen is bound to catch heat after a failed lynch. I want to hear more from this player but I notice how absent they've been might make them a perfect prop.

Both Skintick and Sheltatha started to prod at Thyrllen. After no response both moved on mid game. Skin Voted Okral and Sheltatha Voted for Skintick but then later removed that vote.

Thyrllens only real wrong has been absence but on review there were atleast 4 other players in that exact same category.
Sheltatha has been SUPER vocal Day 1 however didn't really land on any vote at days end.

I'd like to understand why.

After looking at the vote train, it took 11 votes. Thyrllen only ever had 2 votes on them at any point day 1. Read back to the vote reasons and there wasnt much actual momentum. Thats why I backed off.

Since then Thyrllen has padded their post count saying alot about nothing immediately after my last post on how inactive they were and how close to modkill I thought they might be. THAT says alot.

I am happy to vote them out.

Vote Thyrllen

edit: autocorrect changed Thyrllen to Thryllen

This post has been edited by Gait: 15 May 2020 - 02:20 AM

[Aranatha]

A usual Tennes is full of shit and Sheltatha apparently loves him. Get a room you two already.

It seems Thyrrlan have become active, which people have been jumping down his throat for. I don't see any of you geniuses making any genius posts, so what's so different about Thyrrlan all of a sudden? I'm genuinely curious.
However the derailed Thyrrlan train insight has merit, however I'm not convinced that's isn't just a coincidence.

 Sheltatha Lore, on 14 May 2020 - 09:59 PM, said:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

Thyrllens only real wrong has been absence but on review there were atleast 4 other players in that exact same category.
Sheltatha has been SUPER vocal Day 1 however didn't really land on any vote at days end.

I'd like to understand why.

meh... I simply forgot about the game and only realised about 10 min past deadline.

Are we just gonna ignore this? Shel conveniently showed up when the day was over.

Barghast joins the Tennes-Shel love fest. How cozy:

 Barghast, on 14 May 2020 - 10:47 PM, said:

Venesara today feels like Okral 2.0, Kalse doesn't hesitate to jump in earlyish again

Re Thyr derailment: I think I said dubious shit started to happen around the time Thy got 2 votes, and as you listed yourself Tennes (i belive it was you) there were quite a few things that fit that description going on, and with the limited data Thyr fit the killer profile better than most imo (and still does). My other choice for vote was Gait so agree on those suspicions. And regarding Kalse, well he's playing, dare I say it already, clean. If he's scum he's probably unlikely to show much of it in his posting style.

Wtf even is this post:

 Barghast, on 14 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

vote Thyrllan

for now

What has been said, and because I consider it a better alternative to Venesara or any other current votes and don't see much use casting a new vote, though at this point I'd be satisfied with a vote for Gait too

"It was Nothing. And it got bigger and bigger."

WHY is it a better alternative than Venesara? And wtf why would you not want to cast a new vote? Just trying to get town killed as fast as possible, are you? Why do you suspect Gait? Will we ever find out?


So scummy man, so so scummy.

Vote Barghast

[Kalse]

I hate fake narratives and that day 1 derailment from Thyr is one of them. The two voters, Skintick and Shelly, removed their votes before anything else serious happened, and Skintick putting the second vote on Okral. I'm not the first one who commented on that

I mention it because looking at this:

I put my vote on Venesara, second indeed but no offense to Kilava the first with a coherent explanation.
Then 10 minutes later:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

Half an hour after that:

 Skintick, on 14 May 2020 - 04:23 PM, said:

Vote Thyrllan




2 blocks of posts, first some jokes , and the second set of posts the next RL day inquiring about low posters. 3 posts to place them in the middle of the post count, and make It look like they're on the ball, but absolutely nothing of substance

<quotes snipped>

another half hour after that:

 Jalan, on 14 May 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:

Another thing that runs a flag up for me about Thyr is there is absolutely no response to any of the votes on him.

Vote Thryllan

Now, if you are looking at attempts at derailment, this certainly looks like one.


Skintick is the vote I have no issue with, I quite agree with this case, and Thyrllan's comment-as-you-catch-up stint a bit after basically confirmed all the accusations. Jalan's is quite jarring to me.

Then, interestingly, less than 15 minutes later:

 Okaros, on 14 May 2020 - 05:12 PM, said:

<snip the quotes>

Yes, this stood out to me as well. Finished my reread and so having just read Venesara question Okral's vote on Merrid, them then saying that they had their eye on Merrid looks very weird. I'm going to

Vote Venesara


for now.

By the way, I'm impressed by the amount of actual game discussion that got done on day 1, even if it all turns out to be rubbish! Other things I noted: Aranatha seems more like an eager town with a particular style, but nothing particularly stood out to me about their target Tennes either (it was Tennes, right? I'm already forgetting). All the signalling stuff was stupid. But I did half-suspect that Okral would turn out to be scum as I read through their replies, so I would have probably voted that way too.

Back to pushing the other way!

Plus, just a couple of hours in the day and this already strongly limited the options for the lynch with two fat targets. If one of Thyrlann or Venesara is scum, then one of these two votes (Jalan or Okaros) will be quite informative.

[Kalse]

And in the same vein, I don't like this post:

 Barghast, on 14 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

vote Thyrllan

for now

What has been said, and because I consider it a better alternative to Venesara or any other current votes and don't see much use casting a new vote, though at this point I'd be satisfied with a vote for Gait too

"It was Nothing. And it got bigger and bigger."

With only half the day gone, Barghast is happy to push the "well it's one of these two I guess" narrative. his attempt to show willingness to not be to narrow-minded and consider other targets (in this case Gait) is the most half-assed I have seen, from his post just before that one:

 Barghast, on 14 May 2020 - 10:47 PM, said:

Venesara today feels like Okral 2.0, Kalse doesn't hesitate to jump in earlyish again

Re Thyr derailment: I think I said dubious shit started to happen around the time Thy got 2 votes, and as you listed yourself Tennes (i belive it was you) there were quite a few things that fit that description going on, and with the limited data Thyr fit the killer profile better than most imo (and still does). My other choice for vote was Gait so agree on those suspicions. And regarding Kalse, well he's playing, dare I say it already, clean. If he's scum he's probably unlikely to show much of it in his posting style.

What are you referring to?

[Kalse]

 Osseric, on 14 May 2020 - 04:05 PM, said:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

This is the only other evidence from yesterday that could amount to anything. Now that I've read up, I'll be looking into making my own connections instead of commenting on the ones put forth.

*holds breath*

*dies*

[Kalse]

 Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 04:21 AM, said:

A usual Tennes is full of shit and Sheltatha apparently loves him. Get a room you two already.

It seems Thyrrlan have become active, which people have been jumping down his throat for. I don't see any of you geniuses making any genius posts, so what's so different about Thyrrlan all of a sudden? I'm genuinely curious.
However the derailed Thyrrlan train insight has merit, however I'm not convinced that's isn't just a coincidence.

 Sheltatha Lore, on 14 May 2020 - 09:59 PM, said:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

Thyrllens only real wrong has been absence but on review there were atleast 4 other players in that exact same category.
Sheltatha has been SUPER vocal Day 1 however didn't really land on any vote at days end.

I'd like to understand why.

meh... I simply forgot about the game and only realised about 10 min past deadline.

Are we just gonna ignore this? Shel conveniently showed up when the day was over.

Barghast joins the Tennes-Shel love fest. How cozy:

 Barghast, on 14 May 2020 - 10:47 PM, said:

Venesara today feels like Okral 2.0, Kalse doesn't hesitate to jump in earlyish again

Re Thyr derailment: I think I said dubious shit started to happen around the time Thy got 2 votes, and as you listed yourself Tennes (i belive it was you) there were quite a few things that fit that description going on, and with the limited data Thyr fit the killer profile better than most imo (and still does). My other choice for vote was Gait so agree on those suspicions. And regarding Kalse, well he's playing, dare I say it already, clean. If he's scum he's probably unlikely to show much of it in his posting style.

Wtf even is this post:

 Barghast, on 14 May 2020 - 11:01 PM, said:

vote Thyrllan

for now

What has been said, and because I consider it a better alternative to Venesara or any other current votes and don't see much use casting a new vote, though at this point I'd be satisfied with a vote for Gait too

"It was Nothing. And it got bigger and bigger."

WHY is it a better alternative than Venesara? And wtf why would you not want to cast a new vote? Just trying to get town killed as fast as possible, are you? Why do you suspect Gait? Will we ever find out?


So scummy man, so so scummy.

Vote Barghast

Hmm, I was caught in trying to process the Venesara-Thyrlann thing trying to see when it became all about those two, I just now realize I more or less repeated what you wrote about Barghast's post.

[Barghast]

 Rikkter, on 15 May 2020 - 12:01 AM, said:

Finally, always at the back of my head is the high likelihood of off thread comms between scum, debating the best moments to interject and best moments to fade away. At least with one lone wolf they are more likely to fuck up without someone else saving their ass.

What's up with the scum comms talk? Sure the comms are a great scum weapon, but they're a great weakness too, they much strengthen the bonds between scum and allow them to coop heavily, but those things leave traces on thread and give town a lot of potential info to digest, also it's not always just pure hard data that is valuable, but also the context and info on how the data should be processed is key

If one scum fuck ups and second comes rushing in to help, well that's towns best chance at getting both no?

Also slips caused by offthread comms (like the case on okralos here) are a whole category unto themselves, so disagree on those counts, but why the need to lament scum offthread comms in a 21 player game?

Your vote on Hanas totally feels like just an easy good looking vote to put up out there

[Gait]

 Sheltatha Lore, on 14 May 2020 - 10:23 AM, said:

 Okaros, on 14 May 2020 - 07:59 AM, said:

Hey all, really sorry for the late arrival. Completely forgot about the game, no other reason. PS sent me a message to remind me and I just saw it. Haven't read up on anything yet, no idea what's going on. I'll try to get caught up today.

Vote Okaros




mostly for motivation for you to get stuck in and little bit because of all the Freudian slips with Okaral mix ups.

 Sheltatha Lore, on 14 May 2020 - 10:45 PM, said:

Well fuck me sideways if i've ever seen someone post pad this badly before today.

Vote Thyrllan.


Ive never seems someone post so much NOTHING in a sitting.
How many times did you point out Merrids "last post" again?
Three?

You forgot to remove vote...

[Okaros]

 Kalse, on 15 May 2020 - 05:47 AM, said:

I hate fake narratives and that day 1 derailment from Thyr is one of them. The two voters, Skintick and Shelly, removed their votes before anything else serious happened, and Skintick putting the second vote on Okral. I'm not the first one who commented on that

I mention it because looking at this:

I put my vote on Venesara, second indeed but no offense to Kilava the first with a coherent explanation.
Then 10 minutes later:

 Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

Half an hour after that:

 Skintick, on 14 May 2020 - 04:23 PM, said:

Vote Thyrllan




2 blocks of posts, first some jokes , and the second set of posts the next RL day inquiring about low posters. 3 posts to place them in the middle of the post count, and make It look like they're on the ball, but absolutely nothing of substance

<quotes snipped>

another half hour after that:

 Jalan, on 14 May 2020 - 04:57 PM, said:

Another thing that runs a flag up for me about Thyr is there is absolutely no response to any of the votes on him.

Vote Thryllan

Now, if you are looking at attempts at derailment, this certainly looks like one.

Skintick is the vote I have no issue with, I quite agree with this case, and Thyrllan's comment-as-you-catch-up stint a bit after basically confirmed all the accusations. Jalan's is quite jarring to me.

Then, interestingly, less than 15 minutes later:

 Okaros, on 14 May 2020 - 05:12 PM, said:

<snip the quotes>

Yes, this stood out to me as well. Finished my reread and so having just read Venesara question Okral's vote on Merrid, them then saying that they had their eye on Merrid looks very weird. I'm going to

Vote Venesara


for now.

By the way, I'm impressed by the amount of actual game discussion that got done on day 1, even if it all turns out to be rubbish! Other things I noted: Aranatha seems more like an eager town with a particular style, but nothing particularly stood out to me about their target Tennes either (it was Tennes, right? I'm already forgetting). All the signalling stuff was stupid. But I did half-suspect that Okral would turn out to be scum as I read through their replies, so I would have probably voted that way too.

Back to pushing the other way!

Plus, just a couple of hours in the day and this already strongly limited the options for the lynch with two fat targets. If one of Thyrlann or Venesara is scum, then one of these two votes (Jalan or Okaros) will be quite informative.

What can I say? Having missed the whole of the first day I didn't want to waste time. I saw a discrepancy, also saw that I wasn't the only one who noticed it (so I wasn't just being crazy), and acted on it. I'm still happy with my Venesara vote as I don't think they've explained their seeming about-turn in a convincing manner. For those who say it's Okral 2.0...well maybe that's exactly what Ven wants you to think!

Thyrrlan's posts don't strike me as all that particularly less substantial than most others' posts (aside from the 'Merrid last post' nonsense), and I certainly wouldn't say their lynch was in any way 'derailed' on day 1, as there wasn't a noticeable train to derail in the first place.

Haven't formed an opinion on the Barghast/Gait/Hanas/whoever else is involved stuff yet.

[Sheltatha Lore]

 Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 04:21 AM, said:

A usual Tennes is full of shit and Sheltatha apparently loves him. Get a room you two already.

jealous much?

[Sheltatha Lore]

 Rikkter, on 15 May 2020 - 12:33 AM, said:

 Hanas, on 11 May 2020 - 08:01 PM, said:

Checking in, unfashionably early.

At the beginning, Hanas is completely amicable and chatty. Joking around, quipping, etc. I am not going to burn up space posting it and trying to dig out some micro-nugget of truth.

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 09:58 AM, said:

I'm had a quick skim (yeah only a quick one) and it is nice to see some interaction there. I'll consider it this evening. Until then we have 4 alts who have only posted once. Get here people. Fanderay, Gamelon, Kilava, Osseric. All checked in but nothing since.Vote OssericFor having a single post and breaching lockdown

Typical townie move, exhorting absentees to post and pressure voting someone, as if that helps.

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 10:00 AM, said:

 Merrid, on 13 May 2020 - 09:57 AM, said:

As Day 1 suspicions go, I like Tennes' on Skintick possibly signalling Prazec, Shelly and/or Okral. Love the use of that 3/4 in the case - sometimes it is just that obvious However, I wouldn't go so far as to say all three are being signalled at. For example, mentioning Prazec and Shelly in the same sentence if they were both killers would be going too far into the blatant.

I've been more blatant than that before - just saying

 Sheltatha Lore, on 13 May 2020 - 09:51 AM, said:

 Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 08:22 AM, said:

As a side-note: I don't think Aranatha is scum. I'm sure as hell annoyed at their blinkers but this just feels like a classic bad town play.

i.e. village idiot

I think you're being a bit too sure about Anaratha this early on

"I've been more blatant than that before " Is that present tense? I love how people talk about what they are currently focused on (better example in a bit). Common roled/scum faux pas is talking about what role they have as if they are definitely not that role and are just speculating like the non-rolled town they aren't.

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 07:17 PM, said:

I'm going to be in and out for the next few hours if needed for a lynch. Very disappointed to see we still have 3 alts with only a single post. Could PS be a little more specific with how much time is left please.

Chastising for little discussion and content, and yet hovering with little to say themselves...

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:12 PM, said:

 Kalse, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 06:44 PM, said:

<snip>The fact that you still stick around after switching your vote to the likeliest lynch adds to its questionability

Lol it's the first time I see someone accused of the opposite of drive-by-voting

I meant that in the sense that Ara didn't really need to switch yet as apparently she knew she's gonna be around to switch later if there wasn't any other option

When there's a single likely train and you don't want to be one of the last few subject to most scrutiny...

So you say the last few on the train deserve scrutiny? How about the very last vot.....

 Hanas, on 13 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

10min to go? I'llRemove VoteVote Okrak LomIn case of any mistakes/misscounts.I'd not even noticed Okaros was in the game

Right. Exact. Last vote.

[bold]Vote Hanas[/bold]

Edited to Bold the vote.

I am literally in the process of making a case against Hanas. Left some notes aside last night before hitting the sack.

To my surprise I see I am not alone.