[Gait]

Sorry I missed EoD.

I had a call with my daughter. Take that as you will.

Some interesting developments. Explains Tennes alot really. That intensive and forceful play was all eagerness to catch scum.
I can appreciate that.

[Kilava]

It is a real bummer that I am asleep at timeout and when most people are on. I'll be reading but if everyone is gone for the first 24 hours too, well. Yeah.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Well let’s break it down shall we.

We have two reveals
Okaros, Fandaray

They in turn have revealed two PIs
Myself, and Barghast

That leaves

Aranatha, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Osseric, Venesara.

Aranatha: Very erratic, had a hard on for Tennes and myself from day 1, gets very uptight and crazy when pressure is applied. It’s 50/50 for me...Personally I’m leaning towards town player just not having a good game.

Gait: also didn’t like Tennes and also seemed to focus on Tennes with too much focus at times. At one point flat out discounted lookin fat any other players (kalse) untill Tennes was lynched. Also gives me vibes of a town player that has blinkers on and playing a bad game.

Hanas: pure coaster, perfect scum candidate. Gets involved just enough to get by and says just enough to not have anyone scrutinize them over it.

Kilava: same as Hanas

Osseric: same as Hanas, we couldn’t get a lunch on them yesterday, even with people seeming to be lurking in the thread.
Could be a dead player watching in their alt true, but we had 11 players alive and to think that 6 of us couldn’t make deadline? I would have to conclude that one or both of scum came back and simply lurked hoping for time out. More realistic would be 4 players unable to check in before deadline than over 66% of the town players left.

Venesara: Of these I am less suspicious of Venesara because of all the pushing Kalse and Thyr have done to them Throughout the game.


Vote Osseric

[Okaros]

Kilava, on 25 May 2020 - 11:25 PM, said:

It is a real bummer that I am asleep at timeout and when most people are on. I'll be reading but if everyone is gone for the first 24 hours too, well. Yeah.

I mean, maybe you don't have anyone to talk to, but you can still post your thoughts rather than saying, "well, *shrug*"

[Okaros]

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 May 2020 - 07:15 AM, said:

Well let's break it down shall we.

We have two reveals
Okaros, Fandaray

They in turn have revealed two PIs
Myself, and Barghast

That leaves

Aranatha, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Osseric, Venesara.

Aranatha: Very erratic, had a hard on for Tennes and myself from day 1, gets very uptight and crazy when pressure is applied. It's 50/50 for me...Personally I'm leaning towards town player just not having a good game.

Gait: also didn't like Tennes and also seemed to focus on Tennes with too much focus at times. At one point flat out discounted lookin fat any other players (kalse) untill Tennes was lynched. Also gives me vibes of a town player that has blinkers on and playing a bad game.

Hanas: pure coaster, perfect scum candidate. Gets involved just enough to get by and says just enough to not have anyone scrutinize them over it.

Kilava: same as Hanas

Osseric: same as Hanas, we couldn't get a lunch on them yesterday, even with people seeming to be lurking in the thread.
Could be a dead player watching in their alt true, but we had 11 players alive and to think that 6 of us couldn't make deadline? I would have to conclude that one or both of scum came back and simply lurked hoping for time out. More realistic would be 4 players unable to check in before deadline than over 66% of the town players left.

Venesara: Of these I am less suspicious of Venesara because of all the pushing Kalse and Thyr have done to them Throughout the game.


Vote Osseric

Two things: 1) On Gait, I remember Rikkter saying that (they'll look at Kalse once Tennes is lynched), but I don't remember Gait saying the same thing? Did they? 2) My computer has a tab open to the thread pretty much all the time, even when I'm not around, so that may have been one of the 'lurkers'.

As for suspects, I'm also putting Venesara at the back of the list for now, and probably Kilava after that due to their spelling error case which did, if nothing else, incriminate Kalse. However, it wouldn't be the first time that scum has made an intentionally bad case which they themselves dismiss so that we don't pay it any attention but at least looks like they've tried to contribute.

Hanas I think I'm much more inclined to believe is scum than you are, though my confidence in my own suspicions has been totally shot to hell this game. You're right that Kalse did suggest them as an alternative to Thyr, which is a point in their favour, though it could have been an attempt to split the vote. Even their 'vote Tennes, oh shit everyone else is voting Osseric, vote Osseric' yesterday feels scummy to me.

With Osseric, I remember someone (can't remember who?) switched their vote to Thyr because of Osseric's posts about Thyr, so there definitely could be a connection there.

Aranatha has talked so much about symps this game that I suspect now that they themselves might be a symp, and I make take a look through their voting history with that in mind.

Gait I don't know where I stand with now at all. With Tennes' CF that seems almost the natural way to go now, but then I also put a lot of stock into RIkkter's case on Tennes, so...

So I'd probably be most comfortable with an Osseric or Hanas lynch today.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 26 May 2020 - 10:29 AM, said:

Two things: 1) On Gait, I remember Rikkter saying that (they'll look at Kalse once Tennes is lynched), but I don't remember Gait saying the same thing? Did they?

Could be right..might have mixed them up.

But even so...was very much single minded about Tennes and didn't seem to value looking anywhere else once it all kicked off.
Take it how you will.

Okaros, on 26 May 2020 - 10:29 AM, said:

2) My computer has a tab open to the thread pretty much all the time, even when I'm not around, so that may have been one of the 'lurkers'.

As I regarly see 1 anon user when I check in.
So there is a time limit to how long a tab that is opened will register on the count.



EDIT- added for clarification.

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 26 May 2020 - 11:11 AM

[Kilava]

*24 hours of silence passes*

Okaros, on 26 May 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:

Kilava, on 25 May 2020 - 11:25 PM, said:

It is a real bummer that I am asleep at timeout and when most people are on. I'll be reading but if everyone is gone for the first 24 hours too, well. Yeah.

I mean, maybe you don't have anyone to talk to, but you can still post your thoughts rather than saying, "well, *shrug*"

*twitches*

whatever dude... the last time I replied to you and "posted" my fucking "thoughts" i must not have said anything useful because you didn't reply and i didn't qq and call you out for it like the little bitch you are. neither did anyone else. well, I can fuckin repost it then.

Kilava, on 22 May 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:

Okaros, on 22 May 2020 - 03:44 PM, said:

I've just been rereading over Rikkter's case on Tennes trying to save Thyrllan (from 17 May), I won't post it again as it is pretty long, but it is worth having a look at. As well as trying to show how Tennes, much like Kalse, tried to deflect away from Thyrllan, it does make the point (which I think I may also have mentioned some time back), that Tennes' eventual vote on Thyr was a little surprising considering how many other options they had put on the table. To Rikkter it read like capitulation to the inevitable (although I would suggest that the actual no-going-back point on Thyr's train was Kilava's vote, which followed Tennes').

it is interesting though that after going 4-4 , tennes puts thyr over to 5 vs ven @ 4. my vote took ven to 3 and thyr to 6, kalse immediately quoted me and followed my vote, and then it was thyr @ 7 and ven @ 3, and with 10 votes needed that was it.

I didn't buy rikkter's case at the time but if he was right, this vote is the weirdest thing for tennes. pushing a 4-4 vote deadlock with 10 votes needed is super dangerous (because of reasons you mention). i did even say that I waited because pulling my vote and voting thyr was a 2 vote swing because I was already voting for Ven, so you're right about that, but i purposefully waited until someone else broke the deadlock, which I'm glad i did, anything else would have been a bad play. if tennes is scum then I think that scum realized Thyr was toast before or at the 4-4 lock, and piling on the train after it can't be stopped is always mildly suspicious - much better to be early or middle of the pack. with scum looking at a day 1 lynch on their own killer, the more inevitable it becomes the less they can afford to distance themselves, joining early on a known scum target is just less scummy. kalse was waiting in the wings to vote too.

just like we said earlier thyr's vote on fandy instead of piling on Ven doesn't make a lot of sense, could have easily upped the pressure and made for a more difficult lynch. if tennes is scum, he could have easily voted Ven instead of Thyr at 4-4 - nothing else would make sense unless intentionally sacrificing Thyr - and this would allow kalse to STAY on Ven and allow Thyr to SWITCH to Ven without questions. this doesn't even take aranatha into account, he voted later. much cleaner scum play from tennes and even it draws suspicion, it saves a scum from a lynch.

this part of tennes's play is what keeps me on the fence, either his scum play is too slick to notice (which also implicates ara), or he's town making the best choice he can and the Thyr vote was great town play. (my gut says town) and the first thing aranatha says is to look to who wasn't on the train or didn't vote for scum. this is dodgy whether tennes is scum or not, but if he is aranatha basically said "we lost a scum and ALL of the other 3 of us are on the train, let's not focus there." I don't like that at all, it was called out at the time, but now it certainly seems like tried to lead the thread and setup targets before night even resolved. in the same vote post ara laments at having to agree with ....tennes. hmm.

in fact if you watch kalse's votes, he used my logic to jump on the thyr train, followed my vote to Ven (while dismissing it as baseless (it was but he was still riding coattails))...

this doesn't look bad until it became easy to look at the activity above and see ara voting scum to seem inno by following fellow scum (kalse) and distancing other scum (tennes) while they are all 3 on the same train on scum.

hard to imagine - but if tennes is scum, on day 1 we have thyr (scum) being lynched, tennes (scum for this argument) tipping the vote further onto thyr instead of Ven, and kalse (scum) voting thyr 2 votes after tennes, ara (scum) joining the train late and telling everyone to look elsewhere. lot of potential fucking scum in the mess there.

blah blah blah

[Kilava]

Kilava, on 15 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

aah.... was copy pasta and clicked reply...

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:14 PM, said:

Sheltatha is spreading his focus out very thin. To me it comes across as wanting to appear like they're looking at who's scum, but adding different players to their mix to broaden their chances.

I like the Hanas train except for Sheltatha being on it. The Thyrllan train would be easy to jump on. There's little friction to doing so.

Being the filthy low poster, I need to look at the Venesara train in more detail, but I would happily vote for Sheltatha if there weren't two fundamental trains in process.

Thyrllan's train is the easiest to board.

I have to do the most with my time, which is to see which lynch will shed the most light on the game. Which player has had the most connections.

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

This post sticks out the most to me, and then there is the string of Thyrllan posts that are nothing short of boosting their post count. I could go with either.

vote Venesara

Around to switch votes to Thyrllan as well.

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

It's what I see. You don't have a train on you, and I'm not going to make a new one. Not right now.

this reads so weird to me, why the obsession with being on the "right" train, as if there were such a thing? he mentions hanas, thyr, and ven....then said he would vote shelly if not for the TWO trains going...OK....

thyr's train is easiest? you can go with either? you're around to switch? you will only vote for trains not start new ones?

@ this point ven is @ 3 and thyr is @ 4 and osseric drops a vote on ven to tie the votes and make either train viable now, it took a vote from tennes to put thyr ahead. why not just vote thyr if you think it is the best option, and why put your vote elsewhere? it looks like you are trying to push any opportunity to get ven lynched and hiding behind a proposed thyr vote if you decide to, I guess...yeah, I don't like it, this doesn't make sense. also those posts are train wrecks of garbage (see what I did there) but crappy play isn't the main problem

need to look at osseric tomorrow and hopefully ven / hanas show up. I was here to switch if needed anyway, knowing that if I pulled my vote from ven everything unbalances and thyr is the only target. it seems like osseric cares more about thyr not getting lynched than lynching ven, and I don't like that either, when thyr was ahead 3/4.

remove vote

vote thyrllan

did anyone ever respond to this? thyr and osseric didn't. I still hold to this and it informed my vote on thyr quite well so i'm happy to put my vote here seeing that this was buried days ago and still clicks.

vote osseric

[Kilava]

Okaros, on 26 May 2020 - 10:29 AM, said:

With Osseric, I remember someone (can't remember who?) switched their vote to Thyr because of Osseric's posts about Thyr, so there definitely could be a connection there.

yeah, you're really following the thread well . what else did I say that you conveniently can't remember?

[Venesara]

what the hell happened here?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kilava, on 26 May 2020 - 02:45 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

aah.... was copy pasta and clicked reply...

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:14 PM, said:

Sheltatha is spreading his focus out very thin. To me it comes across as wanting to appear like they're looking at who's scum, but adding different players to their mix to broaden their chances.

I like the Hanas train except for Sheltatha being on it. The Thyrllan train would be easy to jump on. There's little friction to doing so.

Being the filthy low poster, I need to look at the Venesara train in more detail, but I would happily vote for Sheltatha if there weren't two fundamental trains in process.

Thyrllan's train is the easiest to board.

I have to do the most with my time, which is to see which lynch will shed the most light on the game. Which player has had the most connections.

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

This post sticks out the most to me, and then there is the string of Thyrllan posts that are nothing short of boosting their post count. I could go with either.

vote Venesara

Around to switch votes to Thyrllan as well.

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

It's what I see. You don't have a train on you, and I'm not going to make a new one. Not right now.

this reads so weird to me, why the obsession with being on the "right" train, as if there were such a thing? he mentions hanas, thyr, and ven....then said he would vote shelly if not for the TWO trains going...OK....

thyr's train is easiest? you can go with either? you're around to switch? you will only vote for trains not start new ones?

@ this point ven is @ 3 and thyr is @ 4 and osseric drops a vote on ven to tie the votes and make either train viable now, it took a vote from tennes to put thyr ahead. why not just vote thyr if you think it is the best option, and why put your vote elsewhere? it looks like you are trying to push any opportunity to get ven lynched and hiding behind a proposed thyr vote if you decide to, I guess...yeah, I don't like it, this doesn't make sense. also those posts are train wrecks of garbage (see what I did there) but crappy play isn't the main problem

need to look at osseric tomorrow and hopefully ven / hanas show up. I was here to switch if needed anyway, knowing that if I pulled my vote from ven everything unbalances and thyr is the only target. it seems like osseric cares more about thyr not getting lynched than lynching ven, and I don't like that either, when thyr was ahead 3/4.

remove vote

vote thyrllan

did anyone ever respond to this? thyr and osseric didn't. I still hold to this and it informed my vote on thyr quite well so i'm happy to put my vote here seeing that this was buried days ago and still clicks.

vote osseric

Kalse responded and changed his vote to thyr as a result.
That swayed it over to a Thur being the only lynch candidate in the end.

Osseric as far as I know ignored it.
But since we had just lynched scum (thyr) shortly after this, I am sure peoples attentions where immediately shifted elsewhere.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kilava, on 26 May 2020 - 02:48 PM, said:

Okaros, on 26 May 2020 - 10:29 AM, said:

With Osseric, I remember someone (can't remember who?) switched their vote to Thyr because of Osseric's posts about Thyr, so there definitely could be a connection there.

yeah, you're really following the thread well . what else did I say that you conveniently can't remember?

What’s got your tits ina twist now?

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 5. 24 hours remaining.

10 players left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara. 

6 votes to lynch.

2 votes Osseric; Sheltatha, Kilava

Players not voted; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Okaros, Osseric, Venesara

[Okaros]

Kilava, on 26 May 2020 - 02:43 PM, said:

*24 hours of silence passes*

Okaros, on 26 May 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:

Kilava, on 25 May 2020 - 11:25 PM, said:

It is a real bummer that I am asleep at timeout and when most people are on. I'll be reading but if everyone is gone for the first 24 hours too, well. Yeah.

I mean, maybe you don't have anyone to talk to, but you can still post your thoughts rather than saying, "well, *shrug*"

*twitches*

whatever dude... the last time I replied to you and "posted" my fucking "thoughts" i must not have said anything useful because you didn't reply and i didn't qq and call you out for it like the little bitch you are. neither did anyone else. well, I can fuckin repost it then.

Kilava, on 22 May 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:

Okaros, on 22 May 2020 - 03:44 PM, said:

I've just been rereading over Rikkter's case on Tennes trying to save Thyrllan (from 17 May), I won't post it again as it is pretty long, but it is worth having a look at. As well as trying to show how Tennes, much like Kalse, tried to deflect away from Thyrllan, it does make the point (which I think I may also have mentioned some time back), that Tennes' eventual vote on Thyr was a little surprising considering how many other options they had put on the table. To Rikkter it read like capitulation to the inevitable (although I would suggest that the actual no-going-back point on Thyr's train was Kilava's vote, which followed Tennes').

it is interesting though that after going 4-4 , tennes puts thyr over to 5 vs ven @ 4. my vote took ven to 3 and thyr to 6, kalse immediately quoted me and followed my vote, and then it was thyr @ 7 and ven @ 3, and with 10 votes needed that was it.

I didn't buy rikkter's case at the time but if he was right, this vote is the weirdest thing for tennes. pushing a 4-4 vote deadlock with 10 votes needed is super dangerous (because of reasons you mention). i did even say that I waited because pulling my vote and voting thyr was a 2 vote swing because I was already voting for Ven, so you're right about that, but i purposefully waited until someone else broke the deadlock, which I'm glad i did, anything else would have been a bad play. if tennes is scum then I think that scum realized Thyr was toast before or at the 4-4 lock, and piling on the train after it can't be stopped is always mildly suspicious - much better to be early or middle of the pack. with scum looking at a day 1 lynch on their own killer, the more inevitable it becomes the less they can afford to distance themselves, joining early on a known scum target is just less scummy. kalse was waiting in the wings to vote too.

just like we said earlier thyr's vote on fandy instead of piling on Ven doesn't make a lot of sense, could have easily upped the pressure and made for a more difficult lynch. if tennes is scum, he could have easily voted Ven instead of Thyr at 4-4 - nothing else would make sense unless intentionally sacrificing Thyr - and this would allow kalse to STAY on Ven and allow Thyr to SWITCH to Ven without questions. this doesn't even take aranatha into account, he voted later. much cleaner scum play from tennes and even it draws suspicion, it saves a scum from a lynch.

this part of tennes's play is what keeps me on the fence, either his scum play is too slick to notice (which also implicates ara), or he's town making the best choice he can and the Thyr vote was great town play. (my gut says town) and the first thing aranatha says is to look to who wasn't on the train or didn't vote for scum. this is dodgy whether tennes is scum or not, but if he is aranatha basically said "we lost a scum and ALL of the other 3 of us are on the train, let's not focus there." I don't like that at all, it was called out at the time, but now it certainly seems like tried to lead the thread and setup targets before night even resolved. in the same vote post ara laments at having to agree with ....tennes. hmm.

in fact if you watch kalse's votes, he used my logic to jump on the thyr train, followed my vote to Ven (while dismissing it as baseless (it was but he was still riding coattails))...

this doesn't look bad until it became easy to look at the activity above and see ara voting scum to seem inno by following fellow scum (kalse) and distancing other scum (tennes) while they are all 3 on the same train on scum.

hard to imagine - but if tennes is scum, on day 1 we have thyr (scum) being lynched, tennes (scum for this argument) tipping the vote further onto thyr instead of Ven, and kalse (scum) voting thyr 2 votes after tennes, ara (scum) joining the train late and telling everyone to look elsewhere. lot of potential fucking scum in the mess there.

blah blah blah

lol, Rikkter, is that you? A single (legitimate) comment and you start name calling? Also, why are ‘posting’ and ‘thoughts’ in quotation marks? I mean, they are your thoughts, and they are in posts, there’s no need to be so negative about them.

That having been said, I’m actually not sure what you’re trying to get at with reposting this. It’s not about anything that’s occurred - that is, we know Tennes was town now, so I guess your hunch is confirmed? But what are you trying to say with this in terms of where we should go next? Do you still think Aranatha is scummy?

[Okaros]

Kilava, on 26 May 2020 - 02:48 PM, said:

Okaros, on 26 May 2020 - 10:29 AM, said:

With Osseric, I remember someone (can't remember who?) switched their vote to Thyr because of Osseric's posts about Thyr, so there definitely could be a connection there.

yeah, you're really following the thread well . what else did I say that you conveniently can't remember?

How is it convenient? I asked who it was...and now we know. So I suppose it was convenient for making you post a bit more

[Okaros]

That having been said, I do actually think Kilava made a good point about Osseric’s thought process and vote on Ven there. Osseric has a habit of writing posts (at least when they were around) which strike a cautious, careful, investigate all angles tone...but without then doing much of anything.

Vote Osseric

[Okaros]

Looking over Osseric’s posts again, if you were to say anything about them it’s that they’ve been unhelpful and vague almost to a fault. In a contrary sense, I might think scum would deign to appear more helpful than that.

[Kilava]

HEY KID

stop all the downloading name calling

i'll be negative about my own "thoughts" whenever I fucking want! like now! or then, and just now! this is now. we're looking at now now. what happened to then? we missed it, sir. when? just now!

anyway...


re:repost - my point is that it doesn't seem to matter if I say nothing or quote you directly and write 600 words on the state of the game - you still won't remember/reply, regardless. doesn't really matter what i said either, i agree, even when I put that shitty vote on you. amnesia is convenient, is what I meant.

i said I'd be around, and here we are ...talking...

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 May 2020 - 03:45 PM, said:

What’s got your tits ina twist now?

I dunno. weird morning. I accidentally cross-dressed.

[Sheltatha Lore]

@kilava

I’m confused. Are you perhaps mixing up Okaros with Osseric?

[Kilava]

no I've been rambling and quoting spaceballs and other things. which part is confusing?