[LinearPhilosopher]

So rumors are the two week suspension of school after the march break (next week) will be postponed further.

MEanwhile on a day to day basis things just keep geting worse. From restauraunts being reccomended to only have half capacity to close unless they do take out.

Now borders are closed to non-essential traffic, state of emergency and everything is shutting down. Gas is down to less than 80 cents a liter, even my brother can't remember the last time it was that low (i feel bad for filling up at 89c on saturday). Now while working from home in the short run is great for my bottom line, (work remotely and can stay home, no pay for gas or 407 fees), and in an economic downturn my company does better... but if this quarantine stuff doesn't get lifted after a few weeks i have some serious concerns about my pay check. Work is still coming in but for how long...?

Im seriously hoping that by end of march we start seeing some good signs.

The positive is the goverment just announcement payroll relief subsidy for QSBCs and are expanding EI.

[Abyss]

amphibian, on 19 March 2020 - 02:39 AM, said:

Mezla PigDog, on 18 March 2020 - 11:10 PM, said:

So they're closing schools in the UK at the end of week which means my son will be home while we try to work from home. I'm allowed to reduce my hours temporarily - the business are acting like they are doing me a favour but they clearly want the wage bill to go as far down as possible.

Questions - if I reduce my hours and the apocalypse ends but the economy is weak, they can't really guarantee they will put them back up can they?

Second question - a friend down the road is in the same situation. We want to share childcare. It will be good for the kids to have some interaction and good for us to have some space for work and mental health. If one family of 3 and one family of 4 isolate apart from sharing their children, does that really count as social distancing? I mean it's considerably better than the people doing nothing but is it still defeating the purpose? If everyone breaks the guidance a little bit then it is doomed, or is a tiny little bit ok?

Thinking out loud because my head is spinning tonight. It is just so bonkers right now.

Don't share childcare for a few days - as in a few days after the two sets of families have isolated. You want to make sure no symptoms pop up. And yes, a kid can totally spread it to you all.

Seconded. I'd suggest waiting 2 weeks if you can.
Bottom line is every other kid either family's child was exposed to prior to isolation is a potential contact that can infect both families. You're effectively doubling exposure.

[Abyss]

Beaver Killia, on 19 March 2020 - 03:49 AM, said:

Brujah, on 19 March 2020 - 03:10 AM, said:

Beaver Killia, on 18 March 2020 - 08:37 PM, said:

Hmm getting weak legged and a slight runny nose but pollen is everywhere now.

Supplies in house going so fucking fast. Those 2 extra mouths weigh more then me and both my kids so I knew keeping them feed was going to be a nightmare. Most of my Hotpockets, Ramen, Mac n Cheese, crackers, bread, Dr Peppers are gone.

Really don’t want to restock at store with weak legs Incase I got to get bout it with someone in there.

The underlined part means he does not want to go shopping with sore legs just in case he has to fight someone who he has never met.

BK, aren't you getting a little too old to be getting bout it with them perpetrators....


On a serious note, it's not looking good at all out there right now.

Probably so but I got a long way to go before I look as absurd as Eastwood in Gran Tornio ha

Sure, but Eastwood would win that fight.

[Brujah]

LinearPhilosopher, on 19 March 2020 - 03:48 AM, said:

So rumors are the two week suspension of school after the march break (next week) will be postponed further.

MEanwhile on a day to day basis things just keep geting worse. From restauraunts being reccomended to only have half capacity to close unless they do take out.

Now borders are closed to non-essential traffic, state of emergency and everything is shutting down. Gas is down to less than 80 cents a liter, even my brother can't remember the last time it was that low (i feel bad for filling up at 89c on saturday). Now while working from home in the short run is great for my bottom line, (work remotely and can stay home, no pay for gas or 407 fees), and in an economic downturn my company does better... but if this quarantine stuff doesn't get lifted after a few weeks i have some serious concerns about my pay check. Work is still coming in but for how long...?

Im seriously hoping that by end of march we start seeing some good signs.

The positive is the goverment just announcement payroll relief subsidy for QSBCs and are expanding EI.

You, me, and half the Nation.

In North and South Carolina, ALL restaurants and bars were forced to close and/or do delivery only.

That's a lot of people out of work all at once.

[LinearPhilosopher]

Brujah, on 19 March 2020 - 04:01 AM, said:

LinearPhilosopher, on 19 March 2020 - 03:48 AM, said:

So rumors are the two week suspension of school after the march break (next week) will be postponed further.

MEanwhile on a day to day basis things just keep geting worse. From restauraunts being reccomended to only have half capacity to close unless they do take out.

Now borders are closed to non-essential traffic, state of emergency and everything is shutting down. Gas is down to less than 80 cents a liter, even my brother can't remember the last time it was that low (i feel bad for filling up at 89c on saturday). Now while working from home in the short run is great for my bottom line, (work remotely and can stay home, no pay for gas or 407 fees), and in an economic downturn my company does better... but if this quarantine stuff doesn't get lifted after a few weeks i have some serious concerns about my pay check. Work is still coming in but for how long...?

Im seriously hoping that by end of march we start seeing some good signs.

The positive is the goverment just announcement payroll relief subsidy for QSBCs and are expanding EI.

You, me, and half the Nation.

In North and South Carolina, ALL restaurants and bars were forced to close and/or do delivery only.

That's a lot of people out of work all at once.

The silver lining is up north EI got expanded and a wage subsidy was just announced.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

In the US, two members of Congress have tested positive so far.

https://www.thedaily...vid-19?ref=home

'Republicans Adopt Andrew Yang’s Cause. He Isn’t Celebrating.

Andrew Yang has thoughts on Trump’s handling of COVID-19, the administration’s proposed cash infusion, and why the current crisis is paving the road to universal basic income.'

https://www.politico...rew-yang-134922

[Macros]

Ugh.

Mum is in a flap, and is reading anything and everything that pops up on Facebook Covid19 related. It is not helpful. Her latest panic is the bullshit post that the UK is headed for military lockdown, accompanied by a post of a line of military vehicles on the side of the road.
They aren't even British army and they're on the wrong side of the road.

[Lady Bliss]

I honestly feel like these shutdowns are worse than the virus. The impact to the economy and human life.... shit this is going to last for a decade. Homelessness is going to go up. Americans without insurance will go up. Poverty will go up. I think it would be better if we left everything open and just let the virus move on.

[Gorefest]

You might, but i am not sure your elderly relative would agree.

[QuickTidal]

Bliss, there were 475 deaths overnight in a Italy. The shutdown is definitely not worse than the virus.

[Macros]

The impacts of this will be felt for years, no doubts.

We're going to see the biggest change (discounting the WWs) in the workplace and employment spheres since the industrial revolution. Office cube environments will plummet as it will be made obvious how viable remote working is for many jobs. As a correlation to this transport will change massively, the daily commute runs will diminish, people will fight the need to drive for an hour to get to a computer.
Middle management across the board will be gutted, many positions simply exist to schedule pointless fucking meetings. There will be redundancies on a massive scale world wide as automation gets another massive kick forwards.
In a bizarre way it will likely mean an increase in workload for a few years for me and mine as people push to install remote conferencing and work systems, increase automation and controls etc.

The one and only hope I cling to is that it will kill.of the vapid celebrity culture, but that's a very slim hope. Celebrity gossip has all but died at the minute, the only silver lining, maybe people will finally realise that nurses are far more valuable to society than the Kardashians, or $30m dollars a year to throw a fucking ball (looking at you Brady)


Outside of that I can see a (temporary) revival in home cooking and kitchen gardens. I was pushing last year for us to start allotment for rent, they would be busy now I can tell you.

We're still finishing the apartment but had always intended to get a decent veg garden going up in the field behind us, now it's a definite to get going this year, planting season is nearly upon us.


Expect the following industries to boom this and next year:

Off grid solar and UPS battery systems
Greenhousery

[Khellendros]

Macros, on 19 March 2020 - 11:11 AM, said:

The impacts of this will be felt for years, no doubts.

We're going to see the biggest change (discounting the WWs) in the workplace and employment spheres since the industrial revolution. Office cube environments will plummet as it will be made obvious how viable remote working is for many jobs. As a correlation to this transport will change massively, the daily commute runs will diminish, people will fight the need to drive for an hour to get to a computer.
Middle management across the board will be gutted, many positions simply exist to schedule pointless fucking meetings. There will be redundancies on a massive scale world wide as automation gets another massive kick forwards.
In a bizarre way it will likely mean an increase in workload for a few years for me and mine as people push to install remote conferencing and work systems, increase automation and controls etc.

The one and only hope I cling to is that it will kill.of the vapid celebrity culture, but that's a very slim hope. Celebrity gossip has all but died at the minute, the only silver lining, maybe people will finally realise that nurses are far more valuable to society than the Kardashians, or $30m dollars a year to throw a fucking ball (looking at you Brady)


Outside of that I can see a (temporary) revival in home cooking and kitchen gardens. I was pushing last year for us to start allotment for rent, they would be busy now I can tell you.

We're still finishing the apartment but had always intended to get a decent veg garden going up in the field behind us, now it's a definite to get going this year, planting season is nearly upon us.


Expect the following industries to boom this and next year:

Off grid solar and UPS battery systems
Greenhousery

While some of these things would obviously be good (and some obviously bad, at least in the short- to medium-term), what I fear is that 'remote working' turns into 'never stop working' - that is, work and home become the same place, and pretty soon expected to be the same thing.

[Tsundoku]

Khellendros, on 19 March 2020 - 11:17 AM, said:

While some of these things would obviously be good (and some obviously bad, at least in the short- to medium-term), what I fear is that 'remote working' turns into 'never stop working' - that is, work and home become the same place, and pretty soon expected to be the same thing.

We already have that for those smartphone-dependent among us. "Digital detox" has been a thing for a while now.

[Aptorian]

QuickTidal, on 19 March 2020 - 10:40 AM, said:

Bliss, there were 475 deaths overnight in a Italy. The shutdown is definitely not worse than the virus.

Depends upon where you live and what you do for a living. There are places (I'm looking at you USA) where lives and businesses are being destroyed and there's no safety net. Sure, thousands of people dying is a terrible thing, but on a global scale it's bleep on the radar. There's 60 million Italians, 475 is a rounding error when you're dealing with that large a population. Meanwhile the financial and societal impact of this shut down is going to effect many millions of people.

I think you'd be a fool to not realize the precautions being taken are necessary, the situation could be so much worse. Still the negative effects of the quarantines should not be scoffed at.

[Macros]

Whilst I get your point on the numbers in proportion to population. (How many gun related deaths will there be in the US in the same window)

The unquantifiable point is how many will die without these measures? The second we hit proper pandemic numbers the health services round the globe will simply crumble. So more will die because of Covid19, but even more will die from other treatable shit because of a lack of available health care.

And this is the main drive behind lockdown and isolation, stretching out the infection spread so there's a chance to deal

[Chance]

I'm probably in the camp that what is being done is insane compared to aggressively isolate people at genuine risk. But the truth is no one will know if it was the right path until a year from when we can weight actual death against economical costs.

Macros, on 19 March 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

Whilst I get your point on the numbers in proportion to population. (How many gun related deaths will there be in the US in the same window)

You got 14 000 for homocides using guns in 2018. So a bit more than a thousand per month.

Both traffic and suicides are significantly more deadly then gun violence and at least death in traffic and by guns are much less costly/easier to limit than the virus.

This post has been edited by Chance: 19 March 2020 - 03:26 PM

[Nevyn]

Chance, on 19 March 2020 - 03:06 PM, said:

I'm probably in the camp that what is being done is insane compared to aggressively isolate people at genuine risk.

I would love to hear how exactly you would achieve this.

And also where exactly you would draw the societal line of "at risk".

[Nevyn]

By the way, looking at total counts to measure impact is silly, because this is still a very young pandemic.

We are comparing deaths by country, but these are big countries and just because they are hard hit does not mean they are hard hit everywhere. Even the places which have been completely swamped took very restrictive measures to shut things down. Point being that even if you looked at Wuhan and say they lose 0.03% of their population, that is still just so far. If they lifted all travel restrictions in China, there could still be more misery to come.

I'm not sure people quite grasp the scale of what this looks like globally over the full timeline before this gets under control, nor just how much worse that outlook is if we let the health care system get overwhelmed.

[Aptorian]

Nevyn, on 19 March 2020 - 03:24 PM, said:

Chance, on 19 March 2020 - 03:06 PM, said:

I'm probably in the camp that what is being done is insane compared to aggressively isolate people at genuine risk.

I would love to hear how exactly you would achieve this.

And also where exactly you would draw the societal line of "at risk".

Have you ever seen the movie "Bubble boy"?

[Tattersail_]

In UK, we have got to the point were they have stopped most children going to school. Yet only advice saying to isolate and stop non essential travel. Nothing enforced. The PM seems to say a lot without giving anything away, just a lot of words and people don't really know what they are doing. A lot of people saying he doesn't want to enforce it as it would mean businesses can claim from their insurers and it comes down to money. So he's umming and arring, and giving advice but avoiding direct answers. The uncertainty is not a good thing, he needs to come out and show some balls. So life carries on until we know otherwise.