[Cause]

Malankazooie, on 22 April 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

Trump last month: "What do you have to lose?".

This pos is a carnival barking, snake oil selling, charlatan.

Anyone with half a brain could and did tell him this weeks ago. It was a shot in the dark and original study was deeply flawed. Dr fauchi said as much several times until trump all hit told him to stop.

I can’t help but wonder. I’d say Dr fauchi is a man who has avoided saying some things to avoid being fired and he obviously thinks he is doing more good by keeping his potion but what if he grabbed the microphone at the briefing and spoke truth to power? What if others followed suit.

History won’t be kind to trump, I also hope it’s not kind to his enablers.

[Macros]

history will be what the Trump dynasty says it is

[QuickTidal]

Cause, on 22 April 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

Malankazooie, on 22 April 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

Trump last month: "What do you have to lose?".

This pos is a carnival barking, snake oil selling, charlatan.

Anyone with half a brain could and did tell him this weeks ago. It was a shot in the dark and original study was deeply flawed. Dr fauchi said as much several times until trump all hit told him to stop.

I can’t help but wonder. I’d say Dr fauchi is a man who has avoided saying some things to avoid being fired and he obviously thinks he is doing more good by keeping his potion but what if he grabbed the microphone at the briefing and spoke truth to power? What if others followed suit.

History won’t be kind to trump, I also hope it’s not kind to his enablers.

Trump's pockets dipped into one of the main pharmaceutical companies manufacturing the drug...that's the ONLY reason he was ever pushing it so hard. This fucking clown is ALWAYS tied to thing in a monetary way.

I hear that Tom Hanks wife was administered it and is having some adverse shit happening while she was taking it...

[Mentalist]

Cause, on 22 April 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

Malankazooie, on 22 April 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

Trump last month: "What do you have to lose?".

This pos is a carnival barking, snake oil selling, charlatan.

Anyone with half a brain could and did tell him this weeks ago. It was a shot in the dark and original study was deeply flawed. Dr fauchi said as much several times until trump all hit told him to stop.

I can’t help but wonder. I’d say Dr fauchi is a man who has avoided saying some things to avoid being fired and he obviously thinks he is doing more good by keeping his potion but what if he grabbed the microphone at the briefing and spoke truth to power? What if others followed suit.

History won’t be kind to trump, I also hope it’s not kind to his enablers.

That's if there's still a history four years from now.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Cause, on 22 April 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

Malankazooie, on 22 April 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

Trump last month: "What do you have to lose?".

This pos is a carnival barking, snake oil selling, charlatan.

Anyone with half a brain could and did tell him this weeks ago. It was a shot in the dark and original study was deeply flawed. Dr fauchi said as much several times until trump all hit told him to stop.

I can't help but wonder. I'd say Dr fauchi is a man who has avoided saying some things to avoid being fired and he obviously thinks he is doing more good by keeping his potion but what if he grabbed the microphone at the briefing and spoke truth to power? What if others followed suit.

History won't be kind to trump, I also hope it's not kind to his enablers.

'Vaccine Head: I Was Ousted for Resisting Trump's Wonder Drug

Dr. Rick Bright said he believed he was dismissed from his post for advocating for stringent testing of the drug Trump has called a possible coronavirus cure.'

https://www.thedaily...e-drug?ref=home

'Shortly after his televised comments, [Secretary of Health and Human Services] Azar tapped a trusted aide with minimal public health experience to lead the agency's day-to-day response to COVID-19. The aide, Brian Harrison, had joined the department after running a dog-breeding business for six years. Five sources say some officials in the White House derisively called him "the dog breeder."

at the dawn of the coronavirus crisis, Azar appointed his most trusted aide and chief of staff, Harrison, as HHS's main coordinator for the government's response to the virus.

Harrison, 37, was an unusual choice, with no formal education in public health, management, or medicine and with only limited experience in the fields. In 2006, he joined HHS in a one-year stint as a "Confidential Assistant" to Azar, who was then deputy secretary. [...]

Before joining the Trump Administration in January 2018, Harrison's official HHS biography says, he "ran a small business in Texas." The biography does not disclose the name or nature of that business, but his personal financial disclosure forms show that from 2012 until 2018 he ran a company called Dallas Labradoodles.'

https://www.reuters....i-idUSKCN2243CE

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 23 April 2020 - 01:24 AM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'Elizabeth Warren's Brother Dies of Coronavirus in Oklahoma

"It is hard to know that there was no family to hold his hand or to say 'I love you' one more time," the senator wrote in a statement.'

https://www.thedaily...lahoma?ref=home

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 23 April 2020 - 03:23 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'remdesivir from Gilead Sciences failed to speed the improvement of patients with Covid-19 or prevent them from dying, according to results from a long-awaited clinical trial conducted in China. [...]

A summary of the study results was inadvertently posted to the website of the World Health Organization and seen by STAT on Thursday, but then removed. [...]

Gilead spokesperson Amy Flood said the company believes "the post included inappropriate characterization of the study." Because the study was stopped early because it had too few patients, she said, it cannot "enable statistically meaningful conclusions." However, she said, "trends in the data suggest a potential benefit for remdesivir, particularly among patients treated early in disease."'

https://www.statnews...virus-patients/

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 23 April 2020 - 06:26 PM

[Cause]

Trends in the data...

I can use statistics to show almost anything with enough effort. Drugs that work effectively are normally pretty clear cut. Won’t discount it entirely without seeing the data but I’m skeptical

[QuickTidal]

I wanna know what the narrative will be from the WH and Republicans in the next week or two as ALL those protestors become multiple vectors for this thing...like when the numbers utterly skyrocket from the "open things back up, stop trying to fool us with your fake virus!" crowd, what will they try to say?

Like what's the endgame? Still try to cal it fake or say the numbers aren't bad? Will they still be trying to open things back up?

I REALLY want to know what the word is going to be. Everyone in that administration has literally skated by on everything criminal or evil they've done so far...but how do you get around that many needless citizen deaths?

[Kanese S's]

Cause, on 17 April 2020 - 04:30 PM, said:

I find it interesting that it's often discussed as maybe some more deaths vs social distancing and economic collapse. However if NY by example had 200k cases and 20 thousand deaths with social distancing what would the deaths have been without it and surely that would be bad for the economy too?

I mean, when the ghouls on TV talk about "the economy," what they really mean is the stock market and their portfolios. We do not have to die for the Dow, and we should not. If China, Vietnam, South Korea, Cuba, and others can manage full lockdown measures to prevent transmission, surely we can do the same? We shouldn't be sacrificing human lives for "the economy."

Macros, on 20 April 2020 - 11:03 AM, said:

I'd say I'm drinking less on the overall weekly count for sure, but possibly a beer or two in the evening is more common now because I'm at home, it's nice weather. If I was across the water I'd be working 12 your days, home, food and bed for 4 days of the week, so little or no drinking (bar a midweek match to watch) but usually one big night most weekends, or in to watch the footy in the pub at least (usually a 5/6 pint event minimum)

Outside of drinking I was feeling shit for a few days there, but I'm fairly sure that's a heady combination of my shoulder disrupting sleep and the onset of hay fever season. But then today I had a few little coughs to myself and instantly assumed that I'm a gonner.

It's cleared again, 99% sure it was a food related incident but man I dislike this constant background worry I've developed about this.
It's a healthy fear, I get that, it means I'll keep to protocols and watch myself when doing the shopping etc, but it's just this background niggle in my head, and every time Nuala has a sugar spike or dip that's outside of the norm or a bit wayward (shes very good at managing her diabetes) I start to worry if she has caught it, working in the health center.

Blegh, first world problems, we're getting it fairly smooth in NI compared to the mainland, and at least being on the farm there's no shortage of outdoors work and wandering to do

I'm drinking a bit more, but only because I'm drinking more often. I was off work for about a month, and even now only work partial days 2-3 days a week. So there's more days that I'm counting as part of the weekend I guess. Not getting hammered or anything, but having some Bailey's in my coffee, maybe having a couple drinks in the evening.
I'm definitely smoking way more weed, though. Like, a lot of fucking weed.

Cause, on 20 April 2020 - 09:05 PM, said:

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 20 April 2020 - 08:00 PM, said:

But what if it gives me HIV? I don't let people stick phallic objects in my body!

It's too late, when the illuminati is ready they plan to switch the polarity of the 5g towers. This will prevent them from causing more covid but will begin to turn people gay. Resistance is futile.

That sounds awesome, honestly. Let's all just be gay.

Lady Bliss, on 20 April 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

Kanese S, on 20 April 2020 - 10:00 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 19 March 2020 - 06:25 PM, said:

Ok, I'm home and caught up. I agree that there is significant risk out there, but I feel like poverty is a greater risk, as I've lived through it and stand to lose my own home in this mess. The. US is simply not organized to deal with a crisis like this. So yes, it may sound selfish, but the collapse of our economy is more frightening to me than this virus.

This is why we need socialism.

I agree, and have been home bound, so totally supporting the doctors and scientists, but maybe there is some way we can save the folks that stand to lose everything.

Yes. Guaranteed housing, food, and health care.

Gorefest, on 20 April 2020 - 10:13 PM, said:

Cause, on 20 April 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

I don't understand, we are running out of places to store oil. The price is now negative dollars. Can't we halt production?

They already are. Problem is that on top of the covid-19 pandemic there was a resulting stand-off between Russia and Saudi Arabia, which led to the Saudis flooding the market with cheap oil. This led to the already historically low demand being redirected and many cancelled orders for predominantly US companies. So they are left with lots of unsellable barrels which were supposed to have been shipped internationally. A large number of rigs have already stopped producing altogether. However - and apologies for my very limited understanding of the process oil drilling - as far as I can gather you cannot just turn off an active rig like a water tap. It will keep flowing for some time, even when you take the pressure off, and you cannot just let that oil flow free. You still need to collect it and store it. So halting rpoduction from one day to the next isnt really feasible.

Correct. It's much more like stopping a freight train than a tap. You can't just turn it off fast because it's still under pressure and will have nowhere to go, leading to potentially very dangerous situations. I mean, oil drilling in general is can be pretty dangerous.

Obdigore, on 21 April 2020 - 05:14 PM, said:

Aptorian, on 21 April 2020 - 10:13 AM, said:

That man was the victim of a political assassination.

I'm sure the deep state clintons had him killed to prevent the rest of us from getting haircuts so they can keep using our fast casual restaurants to each children, or whatever those Q people believe now.

Something about 5G and the New World Order.

Cause, on 21 April 2020 - 10:31 PM, said:

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 21 April 2020 - 09:46 PM, said:

Briar King, on 21 April 2020 - 09:07 PM, said:

I'm almost fully trained to use my arms to scratch any face itch I have. I hate it! My digits are restless.

Get on my level — I scratch my itches by tensing muscles in my face!

Oh man, getting inside the full biosafety suit, and than your nose starts to itch. Uncanny how that happens.

They should have little scratchy pads like astronaut helmets.

Malankazooie, on 22 April 2020 - 12:01 AM, said:

Sometimes I have to avoid watching the news. People are selfish pricks.

I'm trying to maintain a delicate balance between keeping informed and keeping sane. I was watching the numbers like a hawk before the lockdown had me sheltering in place, but I realized once I was stuck at home that it wasn't good for me, since there really wasn't anything further I could do to prevent getting it than I was already doing.

QuickTidal, on 22 April 2020 - 08:51 PM, said:

Cause, on 22 April 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

Malankazooie, on 22 April 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

Trump last month: "What do you have to lose?".

This pos is a carnival barking, snake oil selling, charlatan.

Anyone with half a brain could and did tell him this weeks ago. It was a shot in the dark and original study was deeply flawed. Dr fauchi said as much several times until trump all hit told him to stop.

I can't help but wonder. I'd say Dr fauchi is a man who has avoided saying some things to avoid being fired and he obviously thinks he is doing more good by keeping his potion but what if he grabbed the microphone at the briefing and spoke truth to power? What if others followed suit.

History won't be kind to trump, I also hope it's not kind to his enablers.

Trump's pockets dipped into one of the main pharmaceutical companies manufacturing the drug...that's the ONLY reason he was ever pushing it so hard. This fucking clown is ALWAYS tied to thing in a monetary way.

I hear that Tom Hanks wife was administered it and is having some adverse shit happening while she was taking it...

He's an amoral, slimy grifter. He always has been one. He's not going to stop grifting just because people made him president.

[Kanese S's]

So this is kinda interesting and concerning:
https://www.npr.org/...em-test-reveals

This post has been edited by Kanese S's: 23 April 2020 - 09:11 PM

[Primateus]

QuickTidal, on 23 April 2020 - 08:15 PM, said:

I wanna know what the narrative will be from the WH and Republicans in the next week or two as ALL those protestors become multiple vectors for this thing...like when the numbers utterly skyrocket from the "open things back up, stop trying to fool us with your fake virus!" crowd, what will they try to say?

Like what's the endgame? Still try to cal it fake or say the numbers aren't bad? Will they still be trying to open things back up?

I REALLY want to know what the word is going to be. Everyone in that administration has literally skated by on everything criminal or evil they've done so far...but how do you get around that many needless citizen deaths?

If I was a cynical man, I would bet it would be something like; "Well, if these damn liberal commie governors had just been more reasonable, then these poor patriots wouldn't have had to protest. So ya see, it's really the liberals who are to blame!"

[Mentalist]

QuickTidal, on 23 April 2020 - 08:15 PM, said:

I wanna know what the narrative will be from the WH and Republicans in the next week or two as ALL those protestors become multiple vectors for this thing...like when the numbers utterly skyrocket from the "open things back up, stop trying to fool us with your fake virus!" crowd, what will they try to say?

Like what's the endgame? Still try to cal it fake or say the numbers aren't bad? Will they still be trying to open things back up?

I REALLY want to know what the word is going to be. Everyone in that administration has literally skated by on everything criminal or evil they've done so far...but how do you get around that many needless citizen deaths?

You keep thinking of Trump and co as a career politician, who actually cares about what happens next.

The guy's a con man who hooked the biggest sucker (the U.S. voters) with the deepest pockets (the U.S. Budget)

All he's concerned about is syphoning off as much of it into the pockets of his business associates, and who gives a damn about anything else? it's not like there's a any problems an exorbitant amount of money won't fix later.

And right now his goal's to win the election and keep the good times rolling for another 4 years. And nothing else really matters.

This post has been edited by Mentalist: 23 April 2020 - 09:53 PM

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Kanese S, on 23 April 2020 - 09:10 PM, said:

So this is kinda interesting and concerning:
https://www.npr.org/...em-test-reveals

I'm convinced I had it beginning around January 6th. I had just returned from a month in Thailand and Japan. A few days after my return, bam — flu-like sickness that knocked me on my ass for two weeks.

Or, it was just the flu...

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'People in Maryland Flooded an Emergency Hotline to Ask If They Should Take Trump's Advice on Disinfectants

[...] Trump's absurd suggestion that injections of disinfectants could help cure the coronavirus wasn't, as he later suggested, a harmless stroke of sarcasm. More than 100 people in Maryland have earnestly called the state's emergency management hotline'

https://www.motherjo...s5AzAy11-ajacJY

Nuking it would certainly be more effective than nuking a hurricane....

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 25 April 2020 - 01:15 AM

[Gust Hubb]

https://www.boredpan...s-reopen-jokes/

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'Healthy people in their 30s and 40s, barely sick with COVID-19, are dying from strokes

[...] Oxley gasped when he got to the patient's age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

The man was among several recent stroke patients in their 30s to 40s who were all infected with the virus. The median age for that type of severe stroke is 74.

As Oxley, an interventional neurologist, began the procedure to remove the clot, he observed something he had never seen before. On the monitors, the brain typically shows up as a tangle of black squiggles – "like a can of spaghetti," he said – that provide a map of blood vessels. A clot shows up as a blank spot. As he used a needlelike device to pull out the clot, he saw new clots forming in real time around it.

"This is crazy," he remembers telling his boss.

[...] Once thought to be a pathogen that primarily attacks the lungs, it has turned out to be a much more formidable foe – affecting nearly every major organ system in the body.

[...] The analyses suggest coronavirus patients are mostly experiencing the deadliest type of stroke. Known as large vessel occlusions or LVOs, they can obliterate large parts of the brain responsible for movement, speech and decision-making in one blow because they are in the main blood-supplying arteries.

Many researchers suspect strokes in novel coronavirus patients may be a direct consequence of blood problems that are producing clots all over some people's bodies.

[...] many of the cases he's treated have unusual characteristics. Brain clots usually appear in the arteries, which carry blood away from the heart, but in covid-19 patients, he's also seeing them in the veins, which carry blood in the opposite direction and are trickier to treat. Some patients are also developing more than one large clot in their heads, which is highly unusual.

[...] "These are people among the least likely statistically to have a stroke," Mocco said.

Mocco, who has spent his career studying stroke and how to treat it, said he was "completely shocked" by the analysis. He noted the link between covid-19 and stroke "is one of the clearest and most profound correlations I've come across."'

https://www.boston.c...MfxnwjttJu5JSKY

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 25 April 2020 - 04:21 AM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'Israel's ultra-Orthodox communities have become hotspots for COVID-19, and in some neighborhoods, residents continue to ignore social distancing guidelines

A number of factors have contributed to the spread of the virus inside these communities including widespread suspicion of the government, adherence to communal prayer and activity, and high population density in these neighborhoods.

[...] "We have the Torah. That's the religious law. We can't go by the laws of the state," said Yoel Kraus, who lives in the Mea Shearim neighborhood with his wife and 17 children.

[...] Confrontations between the community and the police have turned violent with residents hurling rocks, food, and metal objects at officers. In one such clash, police responded with a stun grenade which injured a young girl walking with her family. That incident, caught on a nearby security camera, and has drawn widespread condemnation

In spite of escalating tensions, some residents vow to follow religious law over the laws of the state. "We do what God decreed. We don't budge an inch," Kraus said.'

https://www.vice.com...avirus-lockdown

''A phantom plague': America's Bible Belt played down the pandemic and even cashed in. Now dozens of pastors are dead

Right to worship emerges as battleground in looming culture war as many congregations hit hard by coronavirus

[...] He had vowed to continue preaching "unless I'm in jail or the hospital" before his death from coronavirus earlier this month.

The bishop told his congregation that he believes "God is larger than this dreaded virus" just days before Virginia Governor Ralph Northam urged people to avoid "nonessential" group gatherings.

[...] In states with restrictions on attending church as well as those without, nearly a third of church-attending evangelicals said they continued to attend in person.

This week, a federal court judge in California denied a request from three churches in the state to continue holding in-person services, which one pastor claims are "commanded by scripture" in order for them to "lay hands on people and pray for them".'

https://www.independ...h-a9481226.html

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 25 April 2020 - 06:32 PM

[Gust Hubb]

Reinfection. Perfect set up for round two (or round one never ending).

https://www.npr.org/...irusliveupdates

[Aptorian]

Scary or the positive side of Big Data?