[Imperial Historian]

Interestingly they have released a patch for startegy cards and tech:
Here are the changes!

Original Version Diplomacy card primary: Choose 1 system other than the Mecatol Rex system that contains a planet you control; each other player places a command token from his reinforcements in the chosen system. Then, ready each exhausted planet you control in that system.

Revised Diplomacy card primary: Choose 1 system other than the Mecatol Rex system that contains a planet you control; each other player places a command token from their reinforcements in the chosen system. Then, ready up to 2 exhausted planets that you control.




Original version Magen Defense Grid: You may exhaust this card at the start of a round of ground combat on a planet that contains 1 or more of your units that have Planetary Shield; your opponent cannot make combat rolls this combat round

Magen Defense Grid (Omega): At the start of ground combat on a planet that contains 1 or more of your structures, you may produce 1 hit and assign it to 1 of your opponent's ground forces.




Original Version X-89 Bacterial Weapon: ACTION: Exhaust this card and choose 1 planet in a system that contains 1 or more of your ships that have BOMBARDMENT; destroy all infantry on that planet

X-89 Bacterial Weapon (Omega): After 1 or more of your units use bombardment against a planet, if at least 1 of your opponent's infantry was destroyed, destroy all of your opponent's infantry on that planet.

https://www.fantasyf...fourth-edition/




I like all these changes, they make weak techs and strategy cards stronger.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 29 April 2020 - 08:01 PM, said:

Interestingly they have released a patch for startegy cards and tech:
Here are the changes!

Original Version Diplomacy card primary: Choose 1 system other than the Mecatol Rex system that contains a planet you control; each other player places a command token from his reinforcements in the chosen system. Then, ready each exhausted planet you control in that system.

Revised Diplomacy card primary: Choose 1 system other than the Mecatol Rex system that contains a planet you control; each other player places a command token from their reinforcements in the chosen system. Then, ready up to 2 exhausted planets that you control.




Original version Magen Defense Grid: You may exhaust this card at the start of a round of ground combat on a planet that contains 1 or more of your units that have Planetary Shield; your opponent cannot make combat rolls this combat round

Magen Defense Grid (Omega): At the start of ground combat on a planet that contains 1 or more of your structures, you may produce 1 hit and assign it to 1 of your opponent's ground forces.




Original Version X-89 Bacterial Weapon: ACTION: Exhaust this card and choose 1 planet in a system that contains 1 or more of your ships that have BOMBARDMENT; destroy all infantry on that planet

X-89 Bacterial Weapon (Omega): After 1 or more of your units use bombardment against a planet, if at least 1 of your opponent's infantry was destroyed, destroy all of your opponent's infantry on that planet.

https://www.fantasyf...fourth-edition/




I like all these changes, they make weak techs and strategy cards stronger.

I definitely think we should start using these adjustments in any future games - I like them quite a bit.

[Khellendros]

All seem like good changes to me, especially the Diplomacy primary one.

[Khellendros]

Hey Twelve, IH, wait your turn! Some of us want to make super important Leadership secondary actions you know

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 29 April 2020 - 10:33 PM

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 29 April 2020 - 10:33 PM, said:

Hey Twelve, IH, wait your turn! Some of us want to make super important Leadership secondary actions you know

Yeah sorry. Forgot that there was a secondary available for passed players. I'll delete and repost my post after Morgoth plays the Leadership secondary.

[Morgoth]

twelve, on 29 April 2020 - 04:59 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 29 April 2020 - 04:48 PM, said:

Well play Twelve. I was hoping to use insubordination on you, but you counted your action cards.

If you don't have the SO you need to win that's highly unfortunate for you.

That said... Tapper if you want to maximise your points, I'll swap out your commodities, and give you my remaining 6TG if you eject twelve from mallice, giving you the 8TG you need to score a 2VP SO, as that is the only SO I think twelve can score.

I was very afraid of action cards to prevent me from scoring the stage 2 objectives. I know Tatts could have stopped me from scoring the influence one by making me exhaust one of my 3 influence planets even though he said he wouldn't. I also knew it was likely that someone had the action card to remove a tactical CT so opted for just getting the CTs and putting them all in Strategy. It's all a moot point as I can't do anything about you winning as I fully expect you to have a secret objective you will score. 11 point second place finish is a far cry better than my usual showing though. And as the Arborec no less. We really need to start using meta play to slow you and Morgoth down as it always seems to be you two always in the running to win.

I think the Arborec are great, especially if you're in a resource poor slize of the galaxy. I have also seen the ratings at bgg, but I wonder how representative they truly are.

Imperial Historian, on 29 April 2020 - 06:19 PM, said:

I picked Yin as I was expecting to be assailed from the go by you and Khell and they seemed a good defensive option against both of you. I think there are a few of us who are always close to victory, it often depends on the POs. D'rek/Morgoth/Toaster and you were all in the running to win this round, and if Khell hadn't got greedy (and unlucky on PO's) he would have been close too. I am surprised that I wasn't attacked/pressured more this game, I've been in a strong position with a relatively weak military for most of the game. If I manage to scrape a win with the Yin I will be very pleased, as they are usually considered one of the weakest races.

Didn't Morgoth win with the aarborec? I think they are very strong in 9 player.

I did win with the Arborec, the ability to hold systems indefinitely once you've taken them is very powerful.

Well, I have to admit IH I didn't see your victory coming. Well played! Winning on my first turn next round was the best I could do, but that's rather irrelevant now. A somewhat boring game for me this, my position and the objectives that turned up never gave me reason to do much attacking, and so I got stuck. Next game I'll go for something like the Norr or Muaat to force a different style I think.

[Imperial Historian]

I'm going to look really stupid if I don't manage to score my SO now!

[Tattersail_]

What SO do we think IH has?

[Tattersail_]

18 infantry, he has 31. 3 ships in rex. I could affect. What else could I affect?

[Tattersail_]

Do we class a space dock as s ship, can he score control the region, have a ship in 6 systems?

[Tattersail_]

Has Nom passed?

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2020 - 06:49 AM, said:

What SO do we think IH has?

It's a good question, but I admit I have never bothered tracking what SOs anyone could have or which have been completed already - probably one of the (numerous) reasons I haven't won the game yet.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2020 - 07:15 AM, said:

Has Nom passed?

No, he's still got a few moves technically available, although I'm not sure what he could do.

[Khellendros]

Morgoth, on 30 April 2020 - 05:51 AM, said:

Well, I have to admit IH I didn't see your victory coming. Well played! Winning on my first turn next round was the best I could do, but that's rather irrelevant now. A somewhat boring game for me this, my position and the objectives that turned up never gave me reason to do much attacking, and so I got stuck. Next game I'll go for something like the Norr or Muaat to force a different style I think.

No, me neither. I admit that after we exchanged Ceasefires I basically ignored anything he was doing - 'someone else's problem now.' I probably played the least aggressive Letnev ever, but that was in large part owing to being sandwiched between the Yin and Creuss, the two races best suited to taking my fleets down. I picked my starting slice with the hope of nabbing Naalu or maybe L1Z1X, but it was not to be. Maybe I should have picked Yin myself!

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 30 April 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2020 - 06:49 AM, said:

What SO do we think IH has?

It's a good question, but I admit I have never bothered tracking what SOs anyone could have or which have been completed already - probably one of the (numerous) reasons I haven't won the game yet.

I'm thinking that some SOs we cannot prevent but some we can and IH has asked Tapper not to attack him, and said he's worried he may not achieve it so we as a collective must be able to affect it. Narrowing that down may be to our interest. Like the 3 ships in Mec rex, only have to destroy 4 out of 6 to stop that one.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2020 - 10:54 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 30 April 2020 - 10:24 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2020 - 06:49 AM, said:

What SO do we think IH has?

It's a good question, but I admit I have never bothered tracking what SOs anyone could have or which have been completed already - probably one of the (numerous) reasons I haven't won the game yet.

I'm thinking that some SOs we cannot prevent but some we can and IH has asked Tapper not to attack him, and said he's worried he may not achieve it so we as a collective must be able to affect it. Narrowing that down may be to our interest. Like the 3 ships in Mec rex, only have to destroy 4 out of 6 to stop that one.

I have that one (hence me trying to take MR). These are the ones I have/have completed:

Assemble a Strike Force -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 8 destroyers and/or cruisers on the game board.
Fulfill the Prophecy of Ixth -- Have 14 fighters on the game board.
Occupy the Seat of the Empire -- 1VP -- Control Mecatol Rex and have 3 or more ships in its system.

[Imperial Historian]

I think someone should have seen every action card SO by now, so if you share knowledge it should be possible to narrow it down.

[Khellendros]

So I think these are the SOs which are left:

Accumulate Leverage -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 10 Promissory Notes.
Become the Gatekeeper -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 1 or more ships in a system that contains an alpha wormhole and 1 or more ships in a system that contains a beta wormhole.
Charge Through Their Defenses -- 1VP -- Action Phase -- Successfully invade a planet that has 2 PDSs.
Conscript the Populace -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 18 infantry on the game board.
Destroy Their Greatest Ship -- 1VP -- Action Phase -- Destroy another player's war sun or flagship.
Diversify Negotiatons -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own at least 1 Promissory Note from every player, including yourself.
Fuel the War Machine -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 3 space docks on the game board.
Make an Example of their World -- 1VP -- Action Phase -- Use Bombardment to destroy the last of a player's ground forces on a planet.
Master the Laws of Physics -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 4 technologies of the same color.
Mine Rare Metals -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Control 4 hazardous planets.
Tear Apart their Fighter Squadrons -- 1VP -- Action Phase -- Use Anti-Fighter Barrage to destroy 3 of a player's fighters in a single space battle.
Threaten Enemies -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 1 or more ships in a system that is adjacent to another player's home system.
Turn Their Fleets to Dust -- 1VP -- Action Phase -- Use Space Cannon to destroy the last of a player's ships in a system.
Unveil Flagship -- 1VP -- Action Phase -- Win a space combat in a system that contains your flagship. You cannot score this objetive if your flagship is destroyed in the combat.


I think he's looking to claim it in status phase, so we can discount the action phase ones. Then some of the status ones which I think he can't or is not currently fulfilling:

Accumulate Leverage -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 10 Promissory Notes.
Become the Gatekeeper -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 1 or more ships in a system that contains an alpha wormhole and 1 or more ships in a system that contains a beta wormhole.
Conscript the Populace -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 18 infantry on the game board.
Diversify Negotiatons -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own at least 1 Promissory Note from every player, including yourself.
Fuel the War Machine -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 3 space docks on the game board.
Master the Laws of Physics -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 4 technologies of the same color.
Mine Rare Metals -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Control 4 hazardous planets.
Threaten Enemies -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 1 or more ships in a system that is adjacent to another player's home system.

Which leaves:

Conscript the Populace -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 18 infantry on the game board. <-- Fulfilled this twice over currently.
Fuel the War Machine -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Have 3 space docks on the game board.

So if it's Conscript, there's probably little that can be done about it. Getting rid of a space dock is marginally more feasible.

[Tattersail_]

Does he have 3?

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:

Does he have 3?

Yes, he took over D'rek's space dock on MR to make it three (actually, did he destroy one in order to make room for it? Could have had three already).