[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 19 February 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

It is impossible to stop me and D'Rek and I don't see how anyone who can't score 2 points this round or has at least 7+ points can still have a chance. Seeing the tech and position D'Rek has.

So just decide. Yes I have the clearest path to victory, so stop me if you must. But this game will most likely still be decided by D'Rek this round. Or otherwise next round. With imperial, loads of tokens and Mecatol Rex.

I was able to score consistently , by trading communicating and striking good deals. I am proud what I did and where I am. Ashame the state of the board is now such where I seem like a prime suspect . While all in all from the start it was the map build, race setup and wartorn south and starting positions that led to this .

I for one will not king make anyone and just stick to my own game. As I would have had even if I was not in the lead.

So to Khell, IH , Twelve , Tatts, Tapper , Nom decide who you want to have win. Me or D'Rek

Even more so to Morgoth. Think of your own position and what you want. Not what the rest needs from you.

I'm looking at maximising my points. If you score 2VP and win the game, I can't score anything as you score before me. If d'rek wins the game with imperial I will be able to score in the status phase and thus will have more points at the end of the game. If you hand me your racial we have no quarrel.

I'm disappointed that you would be happy to settle. I'm not mad - I'm just disappointed.

*sits back while shame burns through IH*

[Imperial Historian]

I've done nothing wrong.

*slowly being destroyed by shame*

[Imperial Historian]

How many sabotage cards are out there still... And more importantly do we think Toaster has one?

[ToasTer86]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 19 February 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

It is impossible to stop me and D'Rek and I don't see how anyone who can't score 2 points this round or has at least 7+ points can still have a chance. Seeing the tech and position D'Rek has.

So just decide. Yes I have the clearest path to victory, so stop me if you must. But this game will most likely still be decided by D'Rek this round. Or otherwise next round. With imperial, loads of tokens and Mecatol Rex.

I was able to score consistently , by trading communicating and striking good deals. I am proud what I did and where I am. Ashame the state of the board is now such where I seem like a prime suspect . While all in all from the start it was the map build, race setup and wartorn south and starting positions that led to this .

I for one will not king make anyone and just stick to my own game. As I would have had even if I was not in the lead.

So to Khell, IH , Twelve , Tatts, Tapper , Nom decide who you want to have win. Me or D'Rek

Even more so to Morgoth. Think of your own position and what you want. Not what the rest needs from you.

I'm looking at maximising my points. If you score 2VP and win the game, I can't score anything as you score before me. If d'rek wins the game with imperial I will be able to score in the status phase and thus will have more points at the end of the game. If you hand me your racial we have no quarrel.

I don't understand ? So many questions arrise from this:

You will not attack me if I pass you my PN ?
What guarantees do I have ?
Why are you turning your back on everyone while you were scheming against me and with them ?
Why do you need my PN?
What do I get in return ?

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:31 PM, said:

How many sabotage cards are out there still... And more importantly do we think Toaster has one?

Yeah if he does (or if he gets one if the action card agenda passes), then you can say kaput to the whole plan - though Morgoth could still get to him I reckon.

[Tapper]

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:31 PM, said:

How many sabotage cards are out there still... And more importantly do we think Toaster has one?

I have one.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 19 February 2020 - 12:23 PM, said:

Alright, let's make some concrete demands requests:

- Logistics card is the obvious one (Tapper, Tatts, D'rek, Twelve, IH are you happy to give me that?).
- I need TECH to be played by the third turn at the latest probably.
- TGs/Trade Agreements - I estimate over 20TGs in losses, therefore I would like the extremely generous amount of 12TGs in current or future TGs to be handed to me this phase. IH, Tapper, Tattersail, you have the most in current TGs, how much are you willing to hand over, if anything? From the rest (and you guys), as I said, I will accept TAs as well if you wish to contribute to the galactic war effort.
- No moves of any kind on my planets from the 'allied' forces.

I'm planning on trade if Tatts or D'rek doesn't get it so that is the top 3 items. Tg compensation will be in the form of free refreshes for all participating parties and I wont move on any of your planets.

[twelve]

ToasTer86, on 19 February 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 19 February 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

It is impossible to stop me and D'Rek and I don't see how anyone who can't score 2 points this round or has at least 7+ points can still have a chance. Seeing the tech and position D'Rek has.

So just decide. Yes I have the clearest path to victory, so stop me if you must. But this game will most likely still be decided by D'Rek this round. Or otherwise next round. With imperial, loads of tokens and Mecatol Rex.

I was able to score consistently , by trading communicating and striking good deals. I am proud what I did and where I am. Ashame the state of the board is now such where I seem like a prime suspect . While all in all from the start it was the map build, race setup and wartorn south and starting positions that led to this .

I for one will not king make anyone and just stick to my own game. As I would have had even if I was not in the lead.

So to Khell, IH , Twelve , Tatts, Tapper , Nom decide who you want to have win. Me or D'Rek

Even more so to Morgoth. Think of your own position and what you want. Not what the rest needs from you.

I'm looking at maximising my points. If you score 2VP and win the game, I can't score anything as you score before me. If d'rek wins the game with imperial I will be able to score in the status phase and thus will have more points at the end of the game. If you hand me your racial we have no quarrel.

I don't understand ? So many questions arrise from this:

You will not attack me if I pass you my PN ?
What guarantees do I have ?
Why are you turning your back on everyone while you were scheming against me and with them ?
Why do you need my PN?
What do I get in return ?

He must think he can win first this round. Might be he can score some action phase secret objectives. But most likely he just wants to finished second.

[twelve]

Tapper, on 19 February 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:31 PM, said:

How many sabotage cards are out there still... And more importantly do we think Toaster has one?

I have one.

I'm pretty sure all 4 are in people's hands as even the one I played probably got redealt.

[Itwæs Nom]

Tapper, on 19 February 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:31 PM, said:

How many sabotage cards are out there still... And more importantly do we think Toaster has one?

I have one.

Same

[Imperial Historian]

Itwæs Nom, on 19 February 2020 - 03:30 PM, said:

Tapper, on 19 February 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:31 PM, said:

How many sabotage cards are out there still... And more importantly do we think Toaster has one?

I have one.

Same

I also have one.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 19 February 2020 - 03:28 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 19 February 2020 - 01:37 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 19 February 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

ToasTer86, on 19 February 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

It is impossible to stop me and D'Rek and I don't see how anyone who can't score 2 points this round or has at least 7+ points can still have a chance. Seeing the tech and position D'Rek has.

So just decide. Yes I have the clearest path to victory, so stop me if you must. But this game will most likely still be decided by D'Rek this round. Or otherwise next round. With imperial, loads of tokens and Mecatol Rex.

I was able to score consistently , by trading communicating and striking good deals. I am proud what I did and where I am. Ashame the state of the board is now such where I seem like a prime suspect . While all in all from the start it was the map build, race setup and wartorn south and starting positions that led to this .

I for one will not king make anyone and just stick to my own game. As I would have had even if I was not in the lead.

So to Khell, IH , Twelve , Tatts, Tapper , Nom decide who you want to have win. Me or D'Rek

Even more so to Morgoth. Think of your own position and what you want. Not what the rest needs from you.

I'm looking at maximising my points. If you score 2VP and win the game, I can't score anything as you score before me. If d'rek wins the game with imperial I will be able to score in the status phase and thus will have more points at the end of the game. If you hand me your racial we have no quarrel.

I don't understand ? So many questions arrise from this:

You will not attack me if I pass you my PN ?
What guarantees do I have ?
Why are you turning your back on everyone while you were scheming against me and with them ?
Why do you need my PN?
What do I get in return ?

He must think he can win first this round. Might be he can score some action phase secret objectives. But most likely he just wants to finished second.

I'm almost certain to get to 10 this round, and should be able to score a SO which would leave me better placed in the average rankings. Otherwise I'm languishing middle of the pack.

I'm not turning my back on anyone, I will happily join in any plot which will let me score more points. You not being able to score does that, me going before you also does that.

As to what you get, I'm not sure what I can offer you that you'd actually want other than my non-participation in the plots against you. I've never broken my word in any of these games, so I could offer a guarantee not to take any of your planets that give you influence letting you gain enough tokens. Or maybe some TG.

I honestly didn't expect you to even consider it, I just wanted to make clear my goal is to score as many points as possible, not to king make.

[ToasTer86]

If everyone is just getting ready to attack me and the whole table turns against me. I guess it is best I also join in with the king making.

I will give D'Rek all my TG and racial notes.
Once my home system or Tequ'ran // Torkan are attacked by anyone other in a position to win ( Khell / D'Rek ). They are the only ones who would benefit from stopping me. The rest is king making D'Rek.

If Morgoth attacks me as well I will pass D'Rek my SfTT. So better start making plans to stop her as well.

This post has been edited by ToasTer86: 20 February 2020 - 06:07 AM

[Tattersail_]

Can we get agenda phase over with now?

[ToasTer86]

Agreed

[Imperial Historian]

ToasTer86, on 20 February 2020 - 06:04 AM, said:

If everyone is just getting ready to attack me and the whole table turns against me. I guess it is best I also join in with the king making.

I will give D'Rek all my TG and racial notes.
Once my home system or Tequ'ran // Torkan are attacked by anyone other in a position to win ( Khell / D'Rek ). They are the only ones who would benefit from stopping me. The rest is king making D'Rek.

If Morgoth attacks me as well I will pass D'Rek my SfTT. So better start making plans to stop her as well.

So that's a no on passing me you racial PN then

[Morgoth]

I don't understand the whole king making argument to be honest. Diplomacy and politics are at the heart of this game, and inaction is also a choice. Chosing which player you'd prefer to win makes sense to me, as long as you don't sabotage your own game to do so. If your own path gives you the choice of course you'd pick the one that benefits your "allies". If I am in a poisiton to chose between D'rek and Toaster this game for instance, I'd chose Toaster since he's been a good neighbour all game, but that doesn't mean I would reduce my own chance of gaining points to secure the victory for either of them. To me it's all about the end position, points, and fun. I want the highest position I can reach, I want the most points I can get, and I want to do some fun stuff.

I don't want Toaster to win over me, but neither do I want to lose toaster's SftT. I'll finish in a higher position this round than I suspect I will if we let the game go for another round. I can probably get two points next round, but so can lots of people, and I'll be 1 SftT short of the win.

[Morgoth]

Look at IH and I for instance. We've been neighbours twice, to the benefit of us both. One game I won, one game he won. At the end we both ended up attacking each other to try to prevent the other from winning (though it turned out to be futile for the both of us). Still, we attacked each other because we were in a strong position to take the victory ourselves. Would I have thrown all I had at IH if I wasn't competing for the win, I'm not sure. There were better options for gaining points I suspect.

[Imperial Historian]

Exactly. Joy of the game. If there wasn't a huge throw down at the end of every game I'd be disappointed.

Dunno if twelve will buy this, but if he agrees, I'd give you my sftt if you attacked Toaster’s homeworld and passed your trade PN to twelve. Deals only on the table if twelve agrees though.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2020 - 07:16 AM, said:

Can we get agenda phase over with now?

I’ve actually been waiting for a response from you