[Morgoth]

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

[Imperial Historian]

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

Twelve I'm the only one with a SftT to give but you have first dibs. I can assure you of the benevolence of the Yin.

[Tattersail_]

That's Morgoth you are talking to.

[Itwæs Nom]

Ill happily pass on Kelly's pn for 1 tg

I only really have a handful of cruisers in range of any feasible target so probably the only thing I could and might be willing to do under the tight circumstances is try to take thibah

[Tapper]

I have an AC to use against Toast, and can guarantee Khell that I will not attack them if they try to take his HW. Obviously, that needs to involve ships.

I can also try and delay Leadership as much as possible, but there is a limit to that.

[Khellendros]

So it looks like we’re getting a nice little plan together. I do agree with Morgoth that we need more than ‘we won’t attack you’ promises if we’re to do this. Trade goods or trade agreements I’m thinking for me (on top of not taking my planets), basically something that I can use to at least partly rebuild with - also, the first thing that would need to be covered is the 2TG payment if/when IH or Nom uses my racial PN.

I’m happy to do this because I think it will be fun, and this coming round I have no chance of scoring any points anyway, so I’m not asking for eye-gouging amounts, but something I can go back to the Letnev people with that means they won’t hang me for gross incompetence.

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

If Morgoth, the 2nd-place player, isn't willing to lift a finger without the slightest risk or loss to himself, then we shouldn't bother doing anything and just let Toaster win.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 18 February 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

If Morgoth, the 2nd-place player, isn't willing to lift a finger without the slightest risk or loss to himself, then we shouldn't bother doing anything and just let Toaster win.

To be fair I think it's quite clear that if no-one does anything you'll finish in 2nd D'rek, as you are almost certain to get imperial and be the only other person to score.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 18 February 2020 - 01:50 PM, said:

D, on 18 February 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

If Morgoth, the 2nd-place player, isn't willing to lift a finger without the slightest risk or loss to himself, then we shouldn't bother doing anything and just let Toaster win.

To be fair I think it's quite clear that if no-one does anything you'll finish in 2nd D'rek, as you are almost certain to get imperial and be the only other person to score.

It would be rather foolish of Tatts to let me have Imperial.

[Tattersail_]

Can I score with Imperial if I don't own both planets in my HW? I may take it just to score if so. Bump up a point or two.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 18 February 2020 - 02:03 PM, said:

Can I score with Imperial if I don't own both planets in my HW? I may take it just to score if so. Bump up a point or two.

I don't think so.

[Galactic Council]

D, on 18 February 2020 - 02:21 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 18 February 2020 - 02:03 PM, said:

Can I score with Imperial if I don't own both planets in my HW? I may take it just to score if so. Bump up a point or two.

I don't think so.

Correct - you can never score a public objective if you don't hold all planets in your home system (unless you're playing as the Saar), including when playing Imperial.

You CAN score Secret Objectives if you do not own all the planets in your home system.

[Galactic Council]

Still missing votes from 2 of 8 players who can vote!

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 18 February 2020 - 01:58 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 18 February 2020 - 01:50 PM, said:

D, on 18 February 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

If Morgoth, the 2nd-place player, isn't willing to lift a finger without the slightest risk or loss to himself, then we shouldn't bother doing anything and just let Toaster win.

To be fair I think it's quite clear that if no-one does anything you'll finish in 2nd D'rek, as you are almost certain to get imperial and be the only other person to score.

It would be rather foolish of Tatts to let me have Imperial.

I agree, it would be.

[Tattersail_]

Could you win with it D'rek?

Score 16 influence, Mec Rex point and 6 tokens.

[twelve]

D, on 18 February 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

If Morgoth, the 2nd-place player, isn't willing to lift a finger without the slightest risk or loss to himself, then we shouldn't bother doing anything and just let Toaster win.

Agreed.

[Khellendros]

Galactic Council, on 18 February 2020 - 02:36 PM, said:

Still missing votes from 2 of 8 players who can vote!

I’m one of the two, and I’ll be waiting till we finalise any plans, as the agenda phase is the only time we can all swap/give stuff to each other.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 18 February 2020 - 08:36 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

Twelve I'm the only one with a SftT to give but you have first dibs. I can assure you of the benevolence of the Yin.

If I take trade I can give free refreshes to everyone that agrees to help prevent Toasts win but if Morgoth isn't willing without a replacement sftt then it's going to be either Toast or him for the win and we might as well just let Toast have it.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 18 February 2020 - 03:15 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 18 February 2020 - 08:36 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 18 February 2020 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 11:09 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 February 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 17 February 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

I can take a shot at taking one of Toaster's homeworld planets, though I can't bring as much infantry as Morgoth probably could. I can definitely hassle him in other regions.

Presumably you need logistics? Anything else?

Tech to be played early-ish. Well, it doesn't have to be hugely early, but not stalled either. And TG to compensate me. The more I think about it, the more I suspect that it will take me AND Morgoth to take a home planet. One of us to whittle down the defensive forces, the other to finish the job. Especially as whatever happens Toaster goes first and so can immediately activate it and reinforce.

Presumably someone to take the hit and keep diplomacy out of Toasters hands as well. Construction and warfare probably wouldn't be great either.

I can grab diplo or one of the other cards and probably supply some TG. Would I be able to purchase your racial PN? Would make my own attempts on Toaster easier!

D'rek/twelve you helping in this effort through the wormhole or otherwise?

Nom/Tapper/Tatts you helping in anyway?

Morgoth you've said you aren't convinced about attacking Toaster, what would change your mind?

I would need some serious assurances, and a SftT to replace the one I'm losing. The ships I have in Quann are all that stands between the rest of you and what little systems I have, and since toaster holds my PN, he could easily open a path directly there. I don't think that's unreasonable given the position I am in. I could leave Toaster be and finish a comfortable second. If I lose the SftT I will be unable to win next turn, no matter the PO, so I see no reason then to give the victory to someone else.

Twelve I'm the only one with a SftT to give but you have first dibs. I can assure you of the benevolence of the Yin.

If I take trade I can give free refreshes to everyone that agrees to help prevent Toasts win but if Morgoth isn't willing without a replacement sftt then it's going to be either Toast or him for the win and we might as well just let Toast have it.

I don't think Morgoth can get enough CTs without a free refresh anyway.

And D'rek could win with Imperial I think.

[Imperial Historian]

Itwæs Nom, on 18 February 2020 - 10:50 AM, said:

Ill happily pass on Kelly's pn for 1 tg

I only really have a handful of cruisers in range of any feasible target so probably the only thing I could and might be willing to do under the tight circumstances is try to take thibah

Works for me!