[Imperial Historian]

Ah always forget about the naalu

[Jazzarm]

I considered Warfare but there wasn't a clean way to capture Dal Bootha/Xehan and Abyz/Fria while also setting up to take 2 more systems next round. Either way only the crummy SC's were left so I might as well pick the one that saves me a token!

[Morgoth]

Jazzarm, on 10 October 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

I considered Warfare but there wasn't a clean way to capture Dal Bootha/Xehan and Abyz/Fria while also setting up to take 2 more systems next round. Either way only the crummy SC's were left so I might as well pick the one that saves me a token!

That would alter my plans for this round quite a bit, but I can do that if we forgo the PN trade. And I'll leave you technology.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 06:20 AM, said:

Jazzarm, on 10 October 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

I considered Warfare but there wasn't a clean way to capture Dal Bootha/Xehan and Abyz/Fria while also setting up to take 2 more systems next round. Either way only the crummy SC's were left so I might as well pick the one that saves me a token!

That would alter my plans for this round quite a bit, but I can do that if we forgo the PN trade. And I'll leave you technology.

You've been mixed up here. Wrong neighbour

[Morgoth]

ah, hah. Right. That was for Toaster the Serpent

[ToasTer86]

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

ah, hah. Right. That was for Toaster the Serpent

Hey are we still on, thinking of using politics next round want to give you speaker.

PN + promise of using logistics on turn 2?
Round 2 I get to pick technology

This post has been edited by ToasTer86: 11 October 2019 - 06:56 AM

[Morgoth]

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 06:55 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

ah, hah. Right. That was for Toaster the Serpent

Hey are we still on, thinking of using politics next round want to give you speaker.

PN + promise of using logistics on turn 2?
Round 2 I get to pick technology

That seems a little steep. Ideally I don't want to play logistics on round 2 because I do not want to provide that advantage for everyone else, and because it forces me to alter my plan of expansion. If you want me to use Logistics on round two in return for the speaker token, then adding the PN in addition becomes too expensive I think.

[ToasTer86]

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 06:55 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

ah, hah. Right. That was for Toaster the Serpent

Hey are we still on, thinking of using politics next round want to give you speaker.

PN + promise of using logistics on turn 2?
Round 2 I get to pick technology

That seems a little steep. Ideally I don't want to play logistics on round 2 because I do not want to provide that advantage for everyone else, and because it forces me to alter my plan of expansion. If you want me to use Logistics on round two in return for the speaker token, then adding the PN in addition becomes too expensive I think.

Dear boneless armor guys from past the wormhole, this is the sexy mind snakes speaking.
I dont mean to harsh but I feel like I am being undercut here.


The difference between last pick or first pick is huge. I feel like just activating your strategy card is actually really cheap price.!
I also feel like if I look at the map you will not be providing a lot of bonus to other players. Unless you had an idea of stalling out all the players that only have 1 carrier.
Depending on the action cards I will get, it will be hard to stall me out anyway.


But ok , you are Cruess right? I don't really have interest in the PN to be honest. In my meta the Cruess player often pays other players to take his PN and place a wormhole for the Cruess. As it is helping them, taking into regard the movement speed/combat bonuses from the tech.

Anything else you would want to offer me? I think getting last pick turn 2 will be very disadvantageous for you, so I really want to ask you to reconsider.

[ToasTer86]

can someone help me set that autograph in the game thread ?

Mine ended up being some HTML code after copying it from Jazzarm:

[Tattersail_]

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 08:12 AM, said:

can someone help me set that autograph in the game thread ?

Mine ended up being some HTML code after copying it from Jazzarm:

You may have to click reply, copy the text within the quote, and then edit that into your post.

[Tattersail_]

That is you cannot just copy and paste from the site. Otherwise you get all that ugly HTML stuff you're talking about.

[Tattersail_]

CURRENT STATUS

Victory Points: 0

Strategy Card:
Command Pools: 3T | 3F | 2S
Goods: 0/3 C | 0 TG
Action Cards: 0
Promissory Notes:
Secret Objectives: 0 fulfilled | 1 unfulfilled

Planets:


Technologies:

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 10 October 2019 - 06:30 PM, said:

twelve, on 10 October 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

D, on 10 October 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

twelve, on 10 October 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

The warfare card is assigned to a ship that gives all other ships in the same system as it a +1 to attack rolls and movement. Fyi

I forget, did we say we were gonna simplify it sometime around last game / the one before and if so did we ever actually do so?

No clue on either of those questions. If we are we should do it now. I'll default to those that have a better understanding of this game in either case.

I think it was two things:

{a} people didn't like assigning the primary ability's effect to one particular ship. Invariably it would get assigned to a fighter so that none of the big ships in the fleet don't get the +1 movement, and then you have this wonky fighter that has to be treated differently, and perhaps unfairly advantages the races that can choose what enemy ships to destroy (Creuss/Yin/Sardakk) as they can target the fighter and you lose the effect halfway through combat. One possible suggestion was to make it more like the TI3 Warfare II where the token does the same thing (+1 movement, +1 combat rolls) but is not assigned to a particular ship.

{b} confusion over whether the secondary allowed transport of units or not, and if so can they pick-up/land infantry? I think we ruled that yes they could transport, and yes they could pick-up infantry (from non-activated systems), but no landings allowed (even to owned planets). But I'd like to get agreement/opinion on that.

If we can get a consensus on these, I can edit the card text to describe the abilities better so there isn't future confusion if anyone forgets this chat.

I like this suggestion.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 11 October 2019 - 09:04 AM, said:

D, on 10 October 2019 - 06:30 PM, said:

twelve, on 10 October 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

D, on 10 October 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

twelve, on 10 October 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

The warfare card is assigned to a ship that gives all other ships in the same system as it a +1 to attack rolls and movement. Fyi

I forget, did we say we were gonna simplify it sometime around last game / the one before and if so did we ever actually do so?

No clue on either of those questions. If we are we should do it now. I'll default to those that have a better understanding of this game in either case.

I think it was two things:

{a} people didn't like assigning the primary ability's effect to one particular ship. Invariably it would get assigned to a fighter so that none of the big ships in the fleet don't get the +1 movement, and then you have this wonky fighter that has to be treated differently, and perhaps unfairly advantages the races that can choose what enemy ships to destroy (Creuss/Yin/Sardakk) as they can target the fighter and you lose the effect halfway through combat. One possible suggestion was to make it more like the TI3 Warfare II where the token does the same thing (+1 movement, +1 combat rolls) but is not assigned to a particular ship.

{b} confusion over whether the secondary allowed transport of units or not, and if so can they pick-up/land infantry? I think we ruled that yes they could transport, and yes they could pick-up infantry (from non-activated systems), but no landings allowed (even to owned planets). But I'd like to get agreement/opinion on that.

If we can get a consensus on these, I can edit the card text to describe the abilities better so there isn't future confusion if anyone forgets this chat.

I like this suggestion.

I do too. As long as people are aware and example move would be;

Warfare secondary -

Sol carrier with 2 fighters and 2 infantry move to from hex a to hex C moving through hex B, picking up 2 infantry and 2 fighters

Sol carrier with 4 fighters and 4 infantry moving from hex a to hex B

Tactical action

Activate hex D

Move both carriers, 8 fighters and 8 infantry -

It's quite strong when you look at it that way, as this would be done in one turn. No way to defend against that level of threat.

[Imperial Historian]

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 06:55 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

ah, hah. Right. That was for Toaster the Serpent

Hey are we still on, thinking of using politics next round want to give you speaker.

PN + promise of using logistics on turn 2?
Round 2 I get to pick technology

That seems a little steep. Ideally I don't want to play logistics on round 2 because I do not want to provide that advantage for everyone else, and because it forces me to alter my plan of expansion. If you want me to use Logistics on round two in return for the speaker token, then adding the PN in addition becomes too expensive I think.

Dear boneless armor guys from past the wormhole, this is the sexy mind snakes speaking.
I dont mean to harsh but I feel like I am being undercut here.


The difference between last pick or first pick is huge. I feel like just activating your strategy card is actually really cheap price.!
I also feel like if I look at the map you will not be providing a lot of bonus to other players. Unless you had an idea of stalling out all the players that only have 1 carrier.
Depending on the action cards I will get, it will be hard to stall me out anyway.


But ok , you are Cruess right? I don't really have interest in the PN to be honest. In my meta the Cruess player often pays other players to take his PN and place a wormhole for the Cruess. As it is helping them, taking into regard the movement speed/combat bonuses from the tech.

Anything else you would want to offer me? I think getting last pick turn 2 will be very disadvantageous for you, so I really want to ask you to reconsider.

And here was i thinking morgoth was being extremely generous. Love the fresh blood to the game and the different values we place on things!

[Morgoth]

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 06:55 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

ah, hah. Right. That was for Toaster the Serpent

Hey are we still on, thinking of using politics next round want to give you speaker.

PN + promise of using logistics on turn 2?
Round 2 I get to pick technology

That seems a little steep. Ideally I don't want to play logistics on round 2 because I do not want to provide that advantage for everyone else, and because it forces me to alter my plan of expansion. If you want me to use Logistics on round two in return for the speaker token, then adding the PN in addition becomes too expensive I think.

Dear boneless armor guys from past the wormhole, this is the sexy mind snakes speaking.
I dont mean to harsh but I feel like I am being undercut here.


The difference between last pick or first pick is huge. I feel like just activating your strategy card is actually really cheap price.!
I also feel like if I look at the map you will not be providing a lot of bonus to other players. Unless you had an idea of stalling out all the players that only have 1 carrier.
Depending on the action cards I will get, it will be hard to stall me out anyway.


But ok , you are Cruess right? I don't really have interest in the PN to be honest. In my meta the Cruess player often pays other players to take his PN and place a wormhole for the Cruess. As it is helping them, taking into regard the movement speed/combat bonuses from the tech.

Anything else you would want to offer me? I think getting last pick turn 2 will be very disadvantageous for you, so I really want to ask you to reconsider.

Hm, very well. I agree to the terms, on the condition's that you follow the requirements for use of the PN as stated in my original offer.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 11 October 2019 - 10:01 AM

[Morgoth]

Actually. No, I don't think so. Sorry for the back and forth, but I'm fine with warfare or Imperial. I'm not willing to give everyone that level of advantage and pay in addition. This way I'll use Logistics at a time where most wont be able to use it.

[ToasTer86]

Dear Ghosts, I appreciate you reconsidering, I do not hope this will sour our relationships.
I understand our differences on this subject, so I will do my best to make up for it and make a favorable deal for you in the future.
As discussed I willl want to research additional technology during turn 2, as my lack of fleet and infantry will prevent me from researching turn 1. So as my pick in turn 2 I would want technology.


Out Of Character (OOC): In my meta using the Cruess PN note is considered a favor for the Cruess player. As it really provides them more angles of attack, more place to gain movement speed, more places to gain combat strength.
So often times the Cruess player will pay players to use it and activate it, only very rarely for example when you have a secret objectives for wormholes will another player pay the Cruess.

This post has been edited by ToasTer86: 11 October 2019 - 10:01 AM

[Morgoth]

ToasTer86, on 11 October 2019 - 10:00 AM, said:

Dear Ghosts, I appreciate you reconsidering, I do not hope this will sour our relationships.
I understand our differences on this subject, so I will do my best to make up for it and make a favorable deal for you in the future.
As discussed I willl want to research additional technology during turn 2, as my lack of fleet and infantry will prevent me from researching turn 1. So as my pick in turn 2 I would want technology.


Out Of Character (OOC): In my meta using the Cruess PN note is considered a favor for the Cruess player. As it really provides them more angles of attack, more place to gain movement speed, more places to gain combat strength.
So often times the Cruess player will pay players to use it and activate it, only very rarely for example when you have a secret objectives for wormholes will another player pay the Cruess.

hah, that's an unfortunate cross post.

The thing is, as of now I have all the wormhole access I need for the foreseeable future. And playing Logistics on round 2 negates much of the advantage the strategy pick gives me. I can play it later in a way that will lessen the impact of the free production for the rest of you. And I can go ahead with my original plan.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 11 October 2019 - 10:04 AM

[ToasTer86]

Morgoth, on 11 October 2019 - 10:00 AM, said:

Actually. No, I don't think so. Sorry for the back and forth, but I'm fine with warfare or Imperial. I'm not willing to give everyone that level of advantage and pay in addition. This way I'll use Logistics at a time where most wont be able to use it.

The Mind Snakes are now very confused....
You do not want the speaker token?

Cant we make another kind of deal ?