[Itwæs Nom]

Passing when it comes to me

[D'rek]

twelve, on 25 October 2019 - 11:10 PM, said:

D, on 25 October 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 25 October 2019 - 10:13 PM, said:

I got very confused for several minutes as to how everyone seemed to have switched races - then I finally worked out that GC must have moved twelve's post to the proper position.

Yeah, I think it would have been better to repost them under the GC account? Oh well no biggie

You waiting for blend to resolve the fight before taking nevant?

Of course! (also i'm drunk from halloween party and its probly not the best idea to take turn now

[ToasTer86]

Also passing when it comes to me

[D'rek]

You would think that since Tatts is the one to have initiated the combat himself he would have left some orders for it when he put his action in...

[Galactic Council]

D, on 26 October 2019 - 04:20 PM, said:

You would think that since Tatts is the one to have initiated the combat himself he would have left some orders for it when he put his action in...

Resolving it right now!

[twelve]

Tatts. You should have brought a second fighter and had them absorb the hits first.

This post has been edited by twelve: 26 October 2019 - 05:17 PM

[D'rek]

WOO! GO MAGIC PDS THINGY!

[ToasTer86]

Where can I see the results of the fights ?

[D'rek]

ToasTer86, on 26 October 2019 - 06:28 PM, said:

Where can I see the results of the fights ?

In the game thread post itself (https://forum.malaza...ost__p__1387004). Blend/GC edits the posts to add the fights to them. It's partway through being resolved right now.

[twelve]

IH stated he is passing so ita back round to Tatts.

[Galactic Council]

Tatts has made a very good point - I don't think Direct Hit can be used on PDS fire as Space Cannon Offense is part of the movement phase, and the Direct Hit card specifies that it has to be used during a Space Combat round.

[Galactic Council]

Galactic Council, on 26 October 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

Tatts has made a very good point - I don't think Direct Hit can be used on PDS fire as Space Cannon Offense is part of the movement phase, and the Direct Hit card specifies that it has to be used during a Space Combat round.

Gonna have to finish resolving this later, unfortunately. Friend's parents are about to get here to pick me up to go out for dinner. For now, it looks like Tatts' dreadnought is still alive, unless someone shows me that a Direct Hit should be allowed during Space Cannon Offence.

[Jazzarm]

Galactic Council, on 26 October 2019 - 08:29 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 26 October 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

Tatts has made a very good point - I don't think Direct Hit can be used on PDS fire as Space Cannon Offense is part of the movement phase, and the Direct Hit card specifies that it has to be used during a Space Combat round.

Gonna have to finish resolving this later, unfortunately. Friend's parents are about to get here to pick me up to go out for dinner. For now, it looks like Tatts' dreadnought is still alive, unless someone shows me that a Direct Hit should be allowed during Space Cannon Offence.

Direct Hit can definitely be used during Space Cannon Offense.

Here's the card:




And the official errata:

Quote

DIRECT HITThe text of the "Direct Hit" action card should read as follows:"After another player's ship uses 'Sustain Damage' to cancel a hitproduced by your units or abilities: Destroy that ship."

The reference thread says it can only be used during a space combat, which might be based on an old ruling. But currently Direct Hit is meant to be playable no matter how the hit is assigned - by ships, PDS, or abilities.

[Tattersail_]

Basically I sent two PMS. The first directing which ships I want hit in what order. Then the second post to amend that due to pds shots. I assumed direct hit cannot affect ships pre combat pds fire. Sustaining a hit on dread. However due to possible direct hit involvement I assigned dread second to last in hits in the combat phase as it is my most potent weapon. IF direct hit could be played during pds then my initial order, fighter, cruiser, dread, carrier was to stand. I just assumed Blend would be on the same page rather than type it all out.

[Tattersail_]

I did take the wording from the reference thread.

BE | Direct Hit | Play during space combat | After another player's ship uses Sustain Damage to cancel a hit produced by your units: Destroy that ship.

[D'rek]

Direct Hit killing on PDS shots has come up in at least one previous game here, pretty sure it has come up in 2, and the discrepancy with the actual card text was noted then, too. Thoguth we all knew by now that the card texts we have aren't quite exact

[Jazzarm]

Well this is a mess. It could be argued that the reference thread takes precedence over rules as written, since there's a lot of house-ruled stuff in there like objectives and strategy cards. On the other hand those changes were intentional, and this one probably isn't. I wonder how our esteemed galactic council will solve this?

[D'rek]

The background here is that when we ran the first TI4 game here we didn't have a proper list of AC texts, only a pretty-close table we copied from another website, and it's never been updated properly. We do have a proper list now, so Blend at some point could you switch over (and update the reference thread)?

Here's the updated/proper texts: https://pastebin.com/raw/VRXLjADC (texts were copied from the TI4 wiki)

[D'rek]

Did a quick search, and it looks like we played with the inaccurate text up to game #2, but then discovered the difference of the text in game #3. Guess we never updated the reference thread at that time, though, and a Direct Hit was never played during space cannon offense during that game or since so it hasn't come up since then.

Anyway, it's Blend's call as to how things get resolved here.

[Galactic Council]

Alright, so because the text on our Direct Hit says what it says, I'll allow Tatts to take the PDS hit on his fighter as I believe that he would not have taken the hit on his dread if he knew that a Direct Hit could be used.

Once I am done resolving and catching up on a map update, I'll go through the reference thread and such and update the action cards accordingly.

From this point forward, a Direct Hit CAN be used on PDS fire.