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Maark Abbott, on 03 June 2026 - 07:34 AM, said:

Oh look. The Farage Right using the Nowak murder case to whip the gammonati into full on riots in Southampton.

I hate this timeline

I saw some image of what looked like the prototypical England Redneck (white woman in what looks like a velour tracksuit and bad makeup) throwing something at an emergency vehicle on Reddit and wondered what was going on now...LOL

[Tiste Simeon]

QuickTidal, on 03 June 2026 - 02:30 PM, said:

Maark Abbott, on 03 June 2026 - 07:34 AM, said:

Oh look. The Farage Right using the Nowak murder case to whip the gammonati into full on riots in Southampton.

I hate this timeline

I saw some image of what looked like the prototypical England Redneck (white woman in what looks like a velour tracksuit and bad makeup) throwing something at an emergency vehicle on Reddit and wondered what was going on now...LOL

So a Sikh kid stabbed a white kid with his ceremonial knife then phoned the police and told them he'd been racially assaulted. Police rock up and arrest the white guy and have him on the floor while he's bleeding out.

So yeah, some issues there. No one is denying that.

It has, however erupted the usual frothing smooth brained followers of the frog faced Russian asset and his pint sized temu fascist (and Farage himself "addressed the nation" because "white lives matter" and made the whole situation worse, GOING AGAINST the wishes of the father of the poor murdered lad who begged for peace and unity and to not let his sons death be used to further hateful agendas...)

Anyway that's how the clashes against the police happened because the cretins who believe in a two tier justice system (in their thinking white people get the rotten end of it. I personally think there is two tier justice because if lefties did half of what Farage did they would be locked up but that's by the by) have used this to attack police for persecuting white people in favour of non whites.

And just to add a lovely twist to this whole sordid tale, Farage is in the middle of a scandal himself because some crypto billionaire in Thailand (a true English patriot no doubt) has given a gift to the racist grifter of£5m. He did not declare it as he should as an MP. So when asked about it, he said it was for "security" whatever that means. Then he said it was a friendship gift for doing so well with Brexit. Then he said some top tech experts have looked at his phone and that Russia has hacked it. But no he won't tell you which people have told him that nor produced any technical reports about it.

A labour MP has been hounding him about this basically saying "ooh if Russia has hacked your phone this is a very serious thing I tell you what Nigel I'll report it to the police and the relevant national cyber security council seen as you apparently forgot."

And now all the above has happened and conveniently no one is talking about Farages phone or illegitimate gifts any more...

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Tiste Simeon, on 03 June 2026 - 05:07 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 03 June 2026 - 02:30 PM, said:

Maark Abbott, on 03 June 2026 - 07:34 AM, said:

Oh look. The Farage Right using the Nowak murder case to whip the gammonati into full on riots in Southampton.

I hate this timeline

I saw some image of what looked like the prototypical England Redneck (white woman in what looks like a velour tracksuit and bad makeup) throwing something at an emergency vehicle on Reddit and wondered what was going on now...LOL

So a Sikh kid stabbed a white kid with his ceremonial knife then phoned the police and told them he'd been racially assaulted. Police rock up and arrest the white guy and have him on the floor while he's bleeding out.

So yeah, some issues there. No one is denying that.

It has, however erupted the usual frothing smooth brained followers of the frog faced Russian asset and his pint sized temu fascist (and Farage himself "addressed the nation" because "white lives matter" and made the whole situation worse, GOING AGAINST the wishes of the father of the poor murdered lad who begged for peace and unity and to not let his sons death be used to further hateful agendas...)

Anyway that's how the clashes against the police happened because the cretins who believe in a two tier justice system (in their thinking white people get the rotten end of it. I personally think there is two tier justice because if lefties did half of what Farage did they would be locked up but that's by the by) have used this to attack police for persecuting white people in favour of non whites.

And just to add a lovely twist to this whole sordid tale, Farage is in the middle of a scandal himself because some crypto billionaire in Thailand (a true English patriot no doubt) has given a gift to the racist grifter of£5m. He did not declare it as he should as an MP. So when asked about it, he said it was for "security" whatever that means. Then he said it was a friendship gift for doing so well with Brexit. Then he said some top tech experts have looked at his phone and that Russia has hacked it. But no he won't tell you which people have told him that nor produced any technical reports about it.

A labour MP has been hounding him about this basically saying "ooh if Russia has hacked your phone this is a very serious thing I tell you what Nigel I'll report it to the police and the relevant national cyber security council seen as you apparently forgot."

And now all the above has happened and conveniently no one is talking about Farages phone or illegitimate gifts any more...

Ah okay, thanks for the explanation.

Also your Farage sounds suspiciously like our Pollievre and Doug Ford....

[Tiste Simeon]

He's constantly jetting off to the US to pucker up to Trump's wrinkled buttcrack and tell the Americans how terrible Britain is, and then talk about how he's a true English patriot.

He is taking his cues from djt right down to the "we're a Christian country!" invective despite it being obvious he's never once picked up a bible.

Oh and it's almost certain that he received Russian money to be a shill. One of his main players in his political party, Nathan Gill, has been sent to prison for that very offence and a lot of Farages speech around Russia sounds very similar to the stuff that Gill was spouting. I doubt they'll ever prove it.

[Maark Abbott]

Looks like Toomy Ten Shekels, Farage et al have been whipping up their base to riot in Northern Ireland.

Now, I'm an outside observer and I think Macros would be better positioned to offer comment as to exactly what went off, but it very much seems like these masked loons just wanted an excuse to riot and burn stuff.

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Maark Abbott, on 10 June 2026 - 11:40 AM, said:

Looks like Toomy Ten Shekels, Farage et al have been whipping up their base to riot in Northern Ireland.

Now, I'm an outside observer and I think Macros would be better positioned to offer comment as to exactly what went off, but it very much seems like these masked loons just wanted an excuse to riot and burn stuff.

What baffles is that white people kick off and do heinous mentally unhinged shit all the time and no one really bats an eye, but the moment it's an immigrant, it's apparently "enough is enough" and it's riot time...I guess it doesn't baffle me, racism and all.

[blackzoid]

The attack happened in a Nationalist part of Belfast. Yet it is the Loyalist mob that starts rioting and enacting a defacto pogram.
Some things never change.

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blackzoid, on 10 June 2026 - 12:21 PM, said:

and enacting a defacto pogram.

The amount of videos I saw of people saying "keep your kids inside tonight, but men 18+ come outside"...like not only is that stupid (what did they do? Set a public bus on fire....cause that's helping apparently?), but you're being super sexist while you're at it too.

[Macros]

Le Sigh.


I can't even summon the energy.

Fucking morons, a white guy was just sentenced for murdering his pregnant wife, I see no riots./

Fuck people

[Cause]

Macros, on 10 June 2026 - 05:29 PM, said:

Le Sigh.


I can't even summon the energy.

Fucking morons, a white guy was just sentenced for murdering his pregnant wife, I see no riots./


Fuck people

Immigration is a magnet for racists but it’s not really, or only, a racist issue. There are some real and legitimate concerns, even if wrong politicians are failing to address them.

South Africa is having a new bout of xenophobic riots too. They use xenophobic instead of race because everyone is black but not everyone is a black South African. I sometimes think making that distinction is cutesy as it doesn't seem necessary.

Countries have a responsibility to an in group, the citizens. There is a path to citizenship for immigrants and they in theory should become part of the in group. Even here there is tension about assimilation but let’s put that aside for now.

At the end of the day the in group of citizens is asking why the out-group is getting better treatment in the form of welfare, charity, special treatment, jobs. The list is broad and changes country to country but the core complaint is basically the same. Why are outsiders getting helped over ME.

That’s also the problem, immigration in the USA is a net benefit for example if you look at the data. However it’s. A powerful wedge issue with republicans but more importantly people are not statistics only countries as a whole are. A struggling blue collar worker who lives in a trailer doesn’t want to hear that workers from Mexico benefit the economy as a whole. He wants his personal life to benefit and thinks he is competing directly against those Mexicans for his livelihood. He feels threatened in a way a white collar banker doesn’t.

Sadly, poverty and poor education are the breeding grounds for racism. The human minds software works in generalizations and if you feel antipathy to Mexican workers who compete with you for jobs that can easily become hate for all Mexicans.

If we continue to just treat such complaints with contempt they will only grow. (Not meant as an attack on you Macros, I have similar thoughts all the time. However I see these hate movements only growing as a result of being ignored) Brexit which was a self inflicted economic wound the like of which has no equal was in a huge part because of immigration.

I am an immigrant myself also. I left my country for a better opportunity elsewhere. I mention this because I am obviously pro immigration. Immigrating was hard and I had it easier than most. If someone walks through a dessert to cross into the USA, rather than lazy, I know that person is driven and it’s not over yet. He has to find a job, somewhere to live all while battling an exchange rate that will eat his life savings alive. The only reason to do it is for a better job and a better life and maybe money to send back home in a lot of situations.

I also know that as an immigrant, I am a guest. Until I get my citizenship I can be removed. Like most immigrants I fear that outcome. Hence I avoid even small criminal offenders that many Americans wouldn’t bother with. I won’t even a carry multitool because of how bizarre USA knife laws are. A citizen would likely get a slap on the write. I could get a mark on my record that could lead to deportation or a red flag for when I do try naturalize.


Edit- I was once asked at a party by a friend of a friend, if I’m pro immigration. I made a joke that I was fine with it as long as we cut off Africa. I meant that to be funny because I thought it was a stupid question to ask me. Hours later I was horrified when I suddenly realized I don’t know if everyone knew I was South African and if I was being sarcastic.

This post has been edited by Cause: 15 June 2026 - 04:49 PM

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Cause, on 15 June 2026 - 04:28 PM, said:

Immigration is a magnet for racists but it’s not really, or only, a racist issue. There are some real and legitimate concerns, even if wrong politicians are failing to address them.

I don't think there are.

Cause, on 15 June 2026 - 04:28 PM, said:

At the end of the day the in group of citizens is asking why the out-group is getting better treatment in the form of welfare, charity, special treatment, jobs. The list is broad and changes country to country but the core complaint is basically the same. Why are outsiders getting helped over ME.

Until evidence is provided that this is indeed occurring then you're repeating propaganda for the racists. Where is this special treatment showcased? These points get brought up a lot, but they are never sourced or proven. Like the whole "DEI hire" complaint acts as if someone lesser qualified than the white person is being given a job based on skin colour, instead of the pool of equally qualified candidates who all have relatively the same level of schooling and skill, the DEI hire is chosen to give that person of a minority group a leg up in a country where quite often racism enters chat and the people giving the jobs won't give it to the qualified minority. It's nuanced and that nuance is lost in the right wing view of "all DEI is handouts" nonsense.

Many citizens are on welfare, for example. In fact most people who were on SNAP benefits are not immigrants at all...but that narrative doesn't help the racists.

Cause, on 15 June 2026 - 04:28 PM, said:

If we continue to just treat such complaints with contempt they will only grow. (Not meant as an attack on you Macros, I have similar thoughts all the time. However I see these hate movements only growing as a result of being ignored) Brexit which was a self inflicted economic wound the like of which has no equal was in a huge part because of immigration.

Nonsense. Giving these people ANY quarter on this subject (again without evidence that their complaints are warranted; which most often they are not) means giving them a seat at the table just to be racists. Fuck that.

It's like the narrative that "illegals are voting in the USA"...no... illegals can't vote, and if immigrants are voting then they are citizens or landed. It's a bald faced lie on the face of it, but you hear it repeated everywhere. Common sense debunks so much of this.

Cause, on 15 June 2026 - 04:28 PM, said:

Edit- I was once asked at a party by a friend of a friend, if I’m pro immigration. I made a joke that I was fine with it as long as we cut off Africa. I meant that to be funny because I thought it was a stupid question to ask me. Hours later I was horrified when I suddenly realized I don’t know if everyone knew I was South African and if I was being sarcastic.

That's a wildly off colour joke to make in any situation man.

[Cause]

Ill try respond more when I can. For now I will just say that in terms of politics and social order there is no daylight between perceived injustice and actual injustice. Politicians need to address and fix it regardless. If we lived in a post scarcity society I believe racism would quickly shrink. When someone is screaming about Muslims getting hotels in NYC, it doesn't matter if its true, what that person is screaming is I feel I don't have enough.

That's not to say there are not some real evil, unrepentant and irredeemable racists in the world. However for a lack of a better phrasing what we are seeing is more and more 'independents' going over to far right parties because they feel their grievances are being ignored. If we ignore it we invite the growth of these far-right parties and further culture clashes.

Tiste was referencing a recent incident in which the police handcuffed the victim rather than the attacker. The far-right couldn't have engineered a better scenario with which to spark chaos if they tried. Saying 'So yeah, some issues there. No one is denying that.' wont cut it. The social disorder is already present. We either address or don't to our own peril. I for one fear the surge we see in the far-right in the USA and europe a great deal. They are no ally of mine. Its been a trend now for years and is only growing.

Just be to clear when I say address it I don't mean letting racists have a seat at the table. I don't mean letting immigrants drown at sea, I don't mean let the mobs in south Africa set Somalias on fire for owning shops. I just mean ignoring the complaints and saying its in their minds alone wont solve the problem.

[Macros]

I think the media needs to report evenly.


And by evenly I mean report all the nasty shit white folks do and not just sensationalise the one crime an immigrant does as a reason for why the foreigner is dangerous.

There is no discourse that insert foreigners of choice here are dangerous and need burned out if you dont have Nigel fucking Farage calling for cold rage as a response and Elon fucking Musk saying its civil war.

So I understand your angle Cause, but I wholly disagree, there are no grievances, they have been manufactured entirely by the media and wankers with money to keep poor people at each others throats. There needs to be no addressing the grievance, there needs to be a clear account of how THERE IS NONE.

[the broken]

Russian intelligence is cultivating the division on purpose.

[Maark Abbott]

There are no legitimate concerns regarding the racism and riots hitting the UK right now, Cause.

It's agitation being fomented by people who either have a financial interest in people being angry, or politicians who benefit financially from the country being divided.

Almost everything they spew about immigrants is demonstrably false, but it's much easier to persuade a desperate British family that their plight is the fault of the Other than it is to address iniquity baked deep into our institutions.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Cause, on 15 June 2026 - 06:38 PM, said:

Tiste was referencing a recent incident in which the police handcuffed the victim rather than the attacker. The far-right couldn't have engineered a better scenario with which to spark chaos if they tried. Saying 'So yeah, some issues there. No one is denying that.' wont cut it.

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Eighteen-year-old Henry Nowak was wrongly arrested as he lay dying in the street, after he was falsely accused of a racist attack. Nowak was stabbed by 23-year-old Vickrum Digwa in Southampton, in Southern England [...] Digwa, a British Sikh man, lied to the police by falsely claiming that Nowak, who was white, had racially abused him. As a result, police initially arrested Nowak rather than his attacker.

[...] Footage shows officers handcuffing Nowak - who appears unable to move - as he repeatedly tells them he has been stabbed and that he can't breathe. At one point, a police officer can be heard saying "You've been stabbed? Whereabouts? I don't think you have, mate." Later, the police officers proceed to read Nowak his rights, as he becomes unresponsive.

https://www.theguard...-the-uk-burning

It certainly seems like a legitimate grievance against the police and how the claim of racism was handled in that particular instance.

The UK apparently doesn't collect statistics on crimes by immigration status or country of origin except for foreign nationals in prison. The Telegraph irresponsibly analyzed this data in 2024 without controlling for age and sex and found that foreign nationals are imprisoned at a 27% higher rate than British citizens. But after controlling for age and sex they are imprisoned at a slightly lower rate than British citizens.

https://migrationobs...son-population/

Of course, racism, xenophobia, perceived threat to traditional local cultural identities, economic hardship, and overburdened and underfunded government services also seem to be major factors.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 16 June 2026 - 02:16 PM

[Chance]

 Azath Vitr (D, on 16 June 2026 - 01:54 PM, said:

The UK apparently doesn't collect statistics on crimes by immigration status or country of origin except for the number of foreign nationals in prison.

Some interesting facts from Sweden.

Sweden does collect that kind of data and didn't dare to publish those stats for a number of years, when they eventually did it was revealed that foreign born or those with foreign parents committed about 2.5 to 3 times as many crimes per capita as natives of a generally more serious character. When broken down by region of origin it was even less flattering to some people.

Is it a legitimate grievance I don't know for me it isn't sufficient to vote far right at least, but then I suspect those who are on the receiving end of those crimes feel different.

This post has been edited by Chance: 16 June 2026 - 02:08 PM

[Maark Abbott]

 Azath Vitr (D, on 16 June 2026 - 01:54 PM, said:

 Cause, on 15 June 2026 - 06:38 PM, said:

Tiste was referencing a recent incident in which the police handcuffed the victim rather than the attacker. The far-right couldn't have engineered a better scenario with which to spark chaos if they tried. Saying 'So yeah, some issues there. No one is denying that.' wont cut it.

Quote

Eighteen-year-old Henry Nowak was wrongly arrested as he lay dying in the street, after he was falsely accused of a racist attack. Nowak was stabbed by 23-year-old Vickrum Digwa in Southampton, in Southern England [...] Digwa, a British Sikh man, lied to the police by falsely claiming that Nowak, who was white, had racially abused him. As a result, police initially arrested Nowak rather than his attacker.

[...] Footage shows officers handcuffing Nowak - who appears unable to move - as he repeatedly tells them he has been stabbed and that he can't breathe. At one point, a police officer can be heard saying "You've been stabbed? Whereabouts? I don't think you have, mate." Later, the police officers proceed to read Nowak his rights, as he becomes unresponsive.

https://www.theguard...-the-uk-burning

It certainly seems like a legitimate grievance against the police and how the claim of racism was handled in that particular instance.

The UK apparently doesn't collect statistics on crimes by immigration status or country of origin except for foreign nationals in prison. The Telegraph irresponsibly analyzed this data in 2024 without controlling for age and sex and found that foreign nationals are imprisoned at a 27% higher rate than British citizens. But after controlling for age and sex they are imprisoned at a slightly lower rate than British citizens.

https://migrationobs...son-population/

Of course, racism, xenophobia, perceived threat to traditional local cultural identities, economic hardship, and overburdened and underfunded government services also seem to be major factors.

The police definitely messed up very badly; I would argue that the officers in question need to be investigated, disciplined and potentially considered in terms of fitness for service.

HOWEVER.

It is also true that police across the country are very burnt out on dealing with racist scumbags kicking off against minorities for no reason. In this particular instance the perpetrator used that to twist what happened. Not an excuse but more of a case of a view as to why things went as they did. The fascist elements at work in the UK (reform / restore et al) then capitalised on the killing of a white youth by an asian youth to cause their base to riot, despite the family's request specifically for that not to happen.

Farage et al want jailing for this. If not for their comments, arguably no riots would ever have happened.

[Macros]

Simple facts

Crime, specifically violent crime, has been falling for years, as immigration has been rising.
White people commit a higher percentage of said crimes when factory for demographics.
There have been 5 beheadings or attempted beheadings in Northenr Ireland in the last....10 or so years. All by white people, not one generated rioting or a program. See similar for seriously violent acts in the UK.
Rape
Child grooming
Abuse
GBH

All committed regularly by white people it just doesn't make the paper because its so common place and people dont want to read that one of their own has done it.

Quite simply in the UK and Ireland immigrants are not stealing jobs or assaulting people. The papers just say they are

[Macros]

Another fun on


When England football team lose a game domestic abuse reports rise by about 36%
When they win it rises by about 24%


That's probably illegal immigrants too