[polishgenius]

So, yeah.

Overall it's such good fucking fun with loads and loads of great fan-friendly moments. All the time travel stuff was super fun and the final battle was an absolute blast.


However, it also left so many plotholes. Are they gonna deal with the fact that Peter was gone for five years in Far From Home (doubt it). How does the present square with the destruction of past Thanos, and if it's an alternative timeline dealie then how does Cap get to this timeline to sit on the bench?

Ultimately in the long run we won't care but for a series that's always been so meticulous, Dr Who-style handwaving is going to stand out.

[Gorefest]

Well, half the population was gone for 5 years, if I understood correctly. They were bringing everyone back to the present, not to 5 years ago. So it isnt just Spidey who was gone for 5 years.


There is no destruction of 'past' Thanos, he was in the present. Just believe Bruce Banner, he explains it very clearly. He does. Honest. Believe Bruce and all is well. Same for cap.


I must confess I was a tad disappointed that they went for a time travel fix as it always feels like a bit of a deus ex machina/cop out, but hey, I guess it fits with the universe and the comics (plenty of time travel there). Captain Marvel seemed rather overpowered as well (timely pop-ups and all), but again, it is a comic universe so I wont lose much sleep over it. The whole film was just bloody amazing. Well done Marvel, well done. The entire crowd in our cinema collectively gasped when Cap picked up Mjolnir and started swinging it. That was a bloody throwback to 2014. 2014, and people remember it and collectively gasped. I mean: blimey. Hats off.

[Gorefest]

A far more pressing matter: if you were one of the vanished, then return 5 years later in what for you felt like 5 minutes (according to spidey), go home and find that your loved ones have moved on... new relationships perhaps, a three year old child... is it actually really a better outcome in the end? Yes for some, no for others, I assume. But that was the case originally as well. Spidey will have a lot of soul-searching ahead. Half his class will have graduated.

[champ]

I don't want to over think it for now, I just want to sit back and reflect on what was an utterly fantastic, stunning and moving film, just wow.

It has been a long time since I've sat and watched a film at the cinema where it caused ripples of emotion effecting every single person there... a certain scene you could hear a pin drop everyone was frozen in place, didn't even hear a sweet packet rustle.

Wonder what the hammer on anvil sound was right at the end of the credits was, whether a nod to Iron Man or something more...

[polishgenius]

 Gorefest, on 25 April 2019 - 10:15 PM, said:

There is no destruction of 'past' Thanos, he was in the present. Just believe Bruce Banner, he explains it very clearly. He does. Honest. Believe Bruce and all is well. Same for cap.

Bruce doesn't really explain so much as handwave it, and sure, realistically it means they beat Thanos twice, once in the present and once in the alternate timeline where he mysteriously vanishes in 2014 and never returns, but for such a meticulous series it does stand out and for me Cap returning as an old man at the end does seem like it follows different rules to the rest.

But eh. It's not a big deal really, it's just kinda discussible.

(on the five years- yeah, Pete's not the only one it's half the population. But that's what I mean. Life isn't just going to carry on as normal but it looks like it kinda does. If so that probably will bug me a little).




But anyway.



The bit where Cap's walking to face Thanos alone and then Strange opens the portals and fucking everyone shows up was pure goosebumps.

[Maark Abbott]

Overall a very entertaining, mostly solid film.

I was somewhat annoyed that Marvel, despite having the overall strongest solo film of all the cast, was reduced to a Giant Space Flea From Nowhere who was almost entirely absent bar some initial "hey look how OP I am" posturing, and showed up for the incredibly forced gurrrl powagh moment and then pretty much swanned off again. I felt like it was kind of contrary to the character building in Captain Marvel (which as an aside was really fucking good).

Films that revolve around temporal storylines usually wind up with plot holes so I can let that slide to a degree.

I thought the Nebula subplot was very well done and I'd go as far as to say that was my favourite aspect of the film. What can I say, I like edgy blue girls anyway, but the whole conflict with there being two of them was great.

Lots more humour in the film than usual. Entirely a positive.

The last few bits involving Iron Man... After my stepdad? I didn't need to see that. That section left me incredibly, incredibly stressed out.

Thanos reaction to being beaten, where he merely sits and quietly accepts that he's lost, was absolutely perfect for the character. Have to say, I was not expecting his weapon to be Double AssCandy though.

[champ]

Couple of thoughts that came into my mind last night as I was trying to get to sleep.

How Captain America in the first Avengers film says to Stark that he isn't the type to make the sacrificial plays and then we get Endgame.

Also in Infinity War, Strange inspecting all the possible futures and when he says to Stark, "I'm sorry Tony but it is the only way," and when we get to "Endgame" of the film, Strange holds his finger up in acknowledgement to Stark that this is the moment, right before he grabs the Gauntlet. Obviously he knew what was to come...

Also Loki lifting the Space Stone then disappearing in that time line, I wonder how this impacts things...

edit:

Also who was the young guy stood by himself at the funeral? It focused on him before moving on to Captain Marvel then Nick Fury.

I didn't recognise him.

This post has been edited by champ: 26 April 2019 - 08:48 AM

[Gorefest]

Apparently it is Harley Keener. He was the kid from Iron Man 3 who had the garage that Iron Man broke into to repair his suit and who then helped Iron Man. But obviously he's a few years older now, so not really recognisable anymore.

[QuickTidal]

Oh fuck me, that was absolutely epic and amazing! I lost count of the amount of times I got emotional or blubbered.

When you hear Falcon, “On your left” to Cap and then EVERY HERO SHOWS UP...my gods...fucking unreal.

I have to pick my brains up off the floor, so I’ll say more later. But for now that was immensely satisfying!

[champ]

 Gorefest, on 26 April 2019 - 11:15 AM, said:

Apparently it is Harley Keener. He was the kid from Iron Man 3 who had the garage that Iron Man broke into to repair his suit and who then helped Iron Man. But obviously he's a few years older now, so not really recognisable anymore.

That makes sense, here I was hoping that it had a bit more significance but still a nice nod.

[champ]

 polishgenius, on 26 April 2019 - 04:26 AM, said:

 Gorefest, on 25 April 2019 - 10:15 PM, said:

There is no destruction of 'past' Thanos, he was in the present. Just believe Bruce Banner, he explains it very clearly. He does. Honest. Believe Bruce and all is well. Same for cap.

Bruce doesn't really explain so much as handwave it, and sure, realistically it means they beat Thanos twice, once in the present and once in the alternate timeline where he mysteriously vanishes in 2014 and never returns, but for such a meticulous series it does stand out and for me Cap returning as an old man at the end does seem like it follows different rules to the rest.

But eh. It's not a big deal really, it's just kinda discussible.

I actually think that Cap living in the past may have messed up the timeline, it's just that we do not see the differences straight away... speculating/thinking this because it is the easiest way for Marvel to then write in the X-men, Fantastic Four etc...

It would be weird for the X-men for instance to just start rocking up in the universe, where was Apocalypse all this time? But now if the timeline is fucked and the past was changed, it makes it much easier to introduce them...

[stone monkey]

I'm probably in a minority here - no change there, you might say - but I thought that it was way too long and way too fanservicey. I really don't think they stuck the landing as well as the vast number of glowing reviews would suggest, and I think the only actor who acquitted themselves well (or at least beyond their usual schtick) was Karen Gillen.

That said, it was a passable way to spend a few hours and I don't regret seeing it. But it felt more like an extended effort in painting by numbers in what is now the Marvel House Style than a joyous celebration of what comic book movies can be. I suspect some of this is personal preference; I think Infinity War is by far the superior of the two because I much prefer the build up to the denouement, in this case. I think it successfully wrapped things up, in plot terms at least, but not in a way that left me feeling particularly satisfied.

[Nicodimas]

I would have honestly liked to see a breakaway Thanos Movie before this after seeing this.. that focused on Thanos/Generals/ company and brought them to the fray.

Would have been more tense if the battle was a bit more pitched.. IMO.

I would like Thanos to bring + Company to show up and bring Ronin with him and start fraking earth up..Ronin would be living in this timeline and their should have been some more repercussions toward messing with time. See Loki escaping* just ignored that reality to go back into and make another reality, so technically they failed as that splitter reality would be messed up too.

Would have made for a more epic fight and tense to have him call in some of the more brutes that he should have been able to call on that we all know he had...

Then breakaway end of credits could have been Galactus noticing all that sweet lovely power ... all for the taking. My theory on the next wave.

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 26 April 2019 - 09:26 PM

[Illuyankas]

I thought it was pretty good, if ending less strongly than it began and not as good as Infinity War. That said, despite the fact I liked the Captain Marvel movie and think the furore over it by sad nerds is hilarious, if she hadn't been bodied by Thanos after effortlessly blasting through the ship and rendering the presence of literally every other character on the ground completely pointless I'd have flipped my lid. Also Mantis honey I love you but what are you doing being badass with the (studio-mandated scene I personally found overly cheesy) Lady Legion when your power is feelings~

Incidentally my theory is 605 of the attempts Strange saw were their different plans, and the other fourteen million is him trying to pick the right gesture for Stark to get the stones and all the times he couldn't resist the urge to use a different finger.

For Old Steve I just assumed he stayed with the other timeline until Peggy died and then came back with the remaining Pym particles.


It wasn't the tour de force I'd hoped for, SM, and I also agree with you about Karen Gillan as Nebula being by far the strongest performance the whole movie, but you are absolutely joking if Fat Thor wasn't your favourite character on the way out. Finally, a Thor I can dress up as for Halloween!

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 27 April 2019 - 05:22 PM

[Abyss]

I need to see it again.

A LOT.

[Abyss]

 polishgenius, on 26 April 2019 - 04:26 AM, said:

...
The bit where Cap's walking to face Thanos alone and then Strange opens the portals and fucking everyone shows up was pure goosebumps.

“Cap.... on your left.”
Shoutback to WINTER SOLDIER... GENIUS.

[Abyss]

 Gorefest, on 26 April 2019 - 11:15 AM, said:

Apparently it is Harley Keener. He was the kid from Iron Man 3 who had the garage that Iron Man broke into to repair his suit and who then helped Iron Man. But obviously he's a few years older now, so not really recognisable anymore.

That’s who I thought it was, but wow was that vague and unnecessary.

....unless they’re going somewhere with that.

[Abyss]

 Illuyankas, on 27 April 2019 - 05:21 PM, said:

I thought it was pretty good, if ending less strongly than it began and not as good as Infinity War. That said, despite the fact I liked the Captain Marvel movie and think the furore over it by sad nerds is hilarious, if she hadn't been bodied by Thanos after effortlessly blasting through the ship and rendering the presence of literally every other character on the ground completely pointless I'd have flipped my lid. Also Mantis honey I love you but what are you doing being badass with the (studio-mandated scene I personally found overly cheesy) Lady Legion when your power is feelings~

Incidentally my theory is 605 of the attempts Strange saw were their different plans, and the other fourteen million is him trying to pick the right gesture for Stark to get the stones and all the times he couldn't resist the urge to use a different finger.

For Old Steve I just assumed he stayed with the other timeline until Peggy died and then came back with the remaining Pym particles.


It wasn't the tour de force I'd hoped for, SM, and I also agree with you about Karen Gillan as Nebula being by far the strongest performance the whole movie, but you are absolutely joking if Fat Thor wasn't your favourite character on the way out. Finally, a Thor I can dress up as for Halloween!

LadyVengers was ridiculously contrived and I loved every vague CGI'd second of it.
Mantis is a vicious martial artist and more or less combat telepath. Also, "oh yes, use knives" was hysterical.
Finger... heh.
Old Steve... easy enough to rationalize and leaves the door open to bring him back. As they did with everyone who 'died'.
Nebula was great, and considering her role in the original comic, a nice touch.
Fat Thor is best Thor.

[Khellendros]

Loki escaped to go make a Disney tv series.

[D'rek]

Maybe I missed the marketing but I went into this not at all expecting it to be such a "send off" / "end of the saga" tone, style, and meta... I thought it was just the next avengers movie - after all, the next one has already had a trailer and several more after that are known to be in the works. Once I realized they were going for the end of the saga style, though, I liked what they were doing a lot. Revisiting past moments in the other films, plenty of throwback lines, giving fun little bits of screen time to a bajillion secondary characters who'll otherwise never show up again, the send-offs of many of the original main characters, and even the big signed splash pages in the credits were all very fitting for it being the end of the decade-long saga (or, rather, the end of the first MCU saga, I guess).

Certainly I have my own little exasperations and annoyances. The open-field combat with swords when either side could just be laser-blasting the landscape is even sillier here than Infinity War. I don't really buy the "the whole world is depressed" dystopia 5 years post-snap (especially when all we see of it is Antman's street full of garbage and Captain America leading one AA meeting). Captain Marvel really felt like she was not originally planned to be in the movie at all and just added to a few scenes? Like SM said very little of the actual acting surprised me much. Wasn't impressed by the soundtrack at all.

But overall a lot of fun, funny, and big blasty spectacle, which is what I expected and what I wanted. Some fun twists, a few exciting new ideas, all that good stuff. Well worth the ticket and I'm glad I went to see it in theatre.

I actually liked the time travel idea in the confines of how it was originally setup, i.e. "as long as we take the stones and put them back exactly as they were before with no one realizing they were taken it doesn't create a paradox", and even when stuff went wrong with Nebula I thought they were going to stick to that and, for example, have Thanos go through with it all already knowing what would happen. Not too miffed about the time travel paradox of past-Thanos et al coming through to the present and dying, but I'm very surprised they didn't throw in a quick "reality is collapsing + Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to allow the paradox" scene to ward off the issue altogether.

Anyone else feel like the climactic final fight was too dark and therefore sometimes hard to see what was going on? I felt the same way about all the in-ship fighting in Captain Marvel.