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#21 User is offline   QuickTidal 

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 12:51 PM

View PostMaark Abbott, on 24 April 2019 - 07:38 AM, said:

How is it clever in any sense of the word to have about 300 pages of "Kaladin is sad"?


Because other stuff happens in there...you were just to blinded by your own hatred of one aspect to read those bits?

The idea that there is 300 pages of 'Kaladin sad' is a pretty ludicrous exaggeration.

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Posted 24 April 2019 - 03:54 PM

View PostBriar King, on 24 April 2019 - 03:30 AM, said:

Shallan is a lot fucking worse to follow then emo Kal though. That was a bad moment though... I will have a fucking fit if we have to listen to that shit for the 4th straight book


I would argue Shallan's multiple-personalty issues are more interesting, better written, and far far less repetitious than Kal's.
Also, Shallan's powers are part of her issues... Kal just mopes a lot.


View PostMaark Abbott, on 24 April 2019 - 07:38 AM, said:

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As to Stormlight having good worldbuilding? You have some temerity to suggest my opinions are wrong if you thought that slapdash, careless world was in any way well thought out. It's extremely evident that it was only written with Rule of Cool in mind, and that he didn't give a shit when cobbling disparate elements together. The end result looks something like a Scourge Abomination from Warcraft 3.


Evident to you, maybe.
Some of us think the scope and diversity of what Brandon has done with TSA and his wider cosmere is actually very impressive/enjoyable.


...but you knew that already. You just have this problem not framing your own opinions as omnipresent overarching fact, but it's ok Maark, we know and accept you for who and what you are.

But stop it anyways because you come across as a dick and it makes having an actual discussion with you distasteful.


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View PostMaark Abbott, on 24 April 2019 - 07:38 AM, said:

How is it clever in any sense of the word to have about 300 pages of "Kaladin is sad"?


Because other stuff happens in there...you were just to blinded by your own hatred of one aspect to read those bits?

The idea that there is 300 pages of 'Kaladin sad' is a pretty ludicrous exaggeration.


Agreed.

There is entirely too much Kaladin is sad, but it's hardly a quarter of the book (even if at moments it felt that way).
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Posted 24 April 2019 - 06:06 PM

I loved TWOK. Shallanís storyline was the most boring partbut I still enjoyed the world building during her parts. Book two gotfrustrating during Kaladinís second slide into depression and anger but hemostly pulled his head out of his ass at the end. The worst part of book threewas Shallanís stupid identity crisis. Overall, for me personally, these bookshad very little that I considered filler. I enjoyed the whole read of all threebooks.

@Maark

I have to admit I have find your complete hatred for thisbook amusing most of the time, but I guess I always have wondered why you letyourself get so furious over a book. Sanderson wrote a book that was not to yourtaste at all. WE GET IT. Your dislike of TWOK is your own personal taste andyet you seem to think that your personal hatred of the book means it is trash,poorly written by an incompetent author, and anyone who likes it is a completeidiot. We are allowed to like things you do not. I am not an idiot but for somereason TWOK worked for me while having the opposite response from you. It suckswhen you are excited about a book and it lets you down but the anger you seemto feel over this seems misplaced and extreme. It seems like you take every opportunityto argue the sheer awfulness of this book all over this site. Would you arguethis much if it were a difference in taste of food? You may hate TWOK and itísauthor with every fiber of your being and it will not change my mind on howmuch I like it. I hate the flavor of coffee (and yes I have tried cappuccino,iced coffee, desserts with coffee flavor, liquor with coffee flavor, even lipgloss and if coffee flavor is in something I can taste it and I do not like itat all). If I took a page out of your book I would have to go around to everyperson who loves coffee and tell them how disgusting it is, how wrong it is forthem to trust their own taste buds, how stupid the companies are for producingsuch garbage, and how idiotic all the consumers of coffee are. We all havedifferent tastes and that is ok, so I think it is time for you to let it go andtry to get over some of this rage you feel over something so silly as a bookthat wasted your time. Iímnot saying you cannot express your opinion because, as I mentioned above, Ifind it amusing. I have just never understood why people allow themselves toget so angry over difference in taste. Why waste time being so mad.


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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:07 AM

Uh, guys, please stop trying to force subjectivity to be objectivity.

And I always take Maark's anti-Sandersonism as exaggeration for effect, mixed with some dark humour. Kind of like if anyone asks me about kale I will always respond that it is the Devil's vegetable and anyone who likes it is wrong and a Satanist. And not the cool, Slayer-listening sort either, but the emo hipster sort. Who should all die. Horribly. From kale overdoses.

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For the record, I mostly like TSA but agree the Kal-moping could be cut down a tad. He can still mope just as much, but BS could cut down the amount of text he devotes to it. Then again, at least it's not extended navel-gazing by an entire cast of disparate characters ... ;)

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:14 AM

And tried kale the other day, it wasn't actually that bad
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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:27 AM

Kale is a gateway vegetable to Satanic Hipsterism. Next you'll be all aboout quinoa shakes and smashed avo with deconstructed activated some-shit-or-other. You have been warned.

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Posted 25 April 2019 - 02:43 PM

I like kale.
And i like Kal.


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Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:34 PM

I make one hyperbolic comment regarding opinions, pointing out the ludicrousness of suggesting that someone's opinion may be wrong, and I get a very angry post in reply, followed by a series of appeals to calm down, and finally a reference to satanic hipsterism? Oh, I love the internet.
I think Sanderson should get forum members here to write book 4 for him, and even Maark couldn't say it has filler.

On topic: Yes, other stuff does happen in those pages. Some awesome worldbuilding is revealed, we get a look at the fascinating Kholin-Sadeas dynamics, and Kaladin's character progresses. Not to mention the humour - Erikson is often quite funny (especially the Pratchett-esque narration of the Kruppe sections; that is the one place where I prefer his humour to Sanderson's), but Hoid's barbs and Rock's comments sometimes have me rolling on the floor.

And back off-topic: Slayer-listening Satanists are cool? If that is the case, I never want to be cool. 25 minute albums are only okay if you're Buckethead and release 100 of them in a year. And the lyrics are absolutely horrible ("Feel the knife pierce you intensely!"). Not to mention the fact that Slayer is a poor middle ground. If you want to listen to Satanic music, listen to Varg Vikernes. If you want to listen to thrash, listen to Megadeth. (If you want to be emo, listen to Linkin Park. If you want to lose all faith in the human race, listen to Justin Bieber.)
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Posted 26 April 2019 - 07:35 AM

View PostQuickTidal, on 24 April 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

View PostMaark Abbott, on 24 April 2019 - 07:38 AM, said:

How is it clever in any sense of the word to have about 300 pages of "Kaladin is sad"?


Because other stuff happens in there...you were just to blinded by your own hatred of one aspect to read those bits?

The idea that there is 300 pages of 'Kaladin sad' is a pretty ludicrous exaggeration.


You say other stuff happens, but there's so little of it that my assertion that the book is by and large 8-900 pages of cuttable filler stands. The sequences that actually engaged were Giant Enemy Crab and the final battle; the rest was tedium made manifest. And form memory those sections amount to a 100 page total or so. And it's a 1200 page book. In which almost nothing happens. And when things do happen, they're hamfisted, uninteresting, [/i]boring[/I] (Shallan's segments added nothing of interest, Grandpa's parts were boring and mopey and the interludes were just utterly pointless). Considering how fun and punchy Mistborn was, to have to go through a slog that the Men of the Tusk would look at and balk was unpleasant in the extreme and I take no shame in stating I yeeted that book from my house as it didn't deserve a place on my shelves.

Also yes Worry is a satanic hipster who wants to destroy America, this is known.
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Posted 26 April 2019 - 12:47 PM

View PostAbyss, on 25 April 2019 - 02:43 PM, said:

I like kale.And i like Kal....hey!


I think there's something in that for all of us.

View PostJohn II, on 25 April 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

I make one hyperbolic comment regarding opinions, pointing out the ludicrousness of suggesting that someone's opinion may be wrong, and I get a very angry post in reply, followed by a series of appeals to calm down, and finally a reference to satanic hipsterism? Oh, I love the internet.I think Sanderson should get forum members here to write book 4 for him, and even Maark couldn't say it has filler.On topic: Yes, other stuff does happen in those pages. Some awesome worldbuilding is revealed, we get a look at the fascinating Kholin-Sadeas dynamics, and Kaladin's character progresses. Not to mention the humour - Erikson is often quite funny (especially the Pratchett-esque narration of the Kruppe sections; that is the one place where I prefer his humour to Sanderson's), but Hoid's barbs and Rock's comments sometimes have me rolling on the floor.And back off-topic: Slayer-listening Satanists are cool? If that is the case, I never want to be cool. 25 minute albums are only okay if you're Buckethead and release 100 of them in a year. And the lyrics are absolutely horrible ("Feel the knife pierce you intensely!"). Not to mention the fact that Slayer is a poor middle ground. If you want to listen to Satanic music, listen to Varg Vikernes. If you want to listen to thrash, listen to Megadeth. (If you want to be emo, listen to Linkin Park. If you want to lose all faith in the human race, listen to Justin Bieber.)


Hyperbole is the worst thing in the world. Ever.

Nah, VV ain't my thang, music is atmos-y but the dude has a few issues, to put it mildly. Megadeth are shite and Dave Mustaine is an egomaniac that makes Lars Ulrich look self-effacing, end of story. I liked LP before they went all melodic and mopey-ballady, but losing Chester still sucked. Lost most of my faith in humanity a while ago, but I'm hanging on to the last skerrick so I'll skip the Beibs thanks. Reign in Blood is one of the best metal albums ever, very cathartic. And Slayer are still damn good live, even after the sad loss of Jeff Hanneman.

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View PostQuickTidal, on 24 April 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

View PostMaark Abbott, on 24 April 2019 - 07:38 AM, said:

How is it clever in any sense of the word to have about 300 pages of "Kaladin is sad"?
Because other stuff happens in there...you were just to blinded by your own hatred of one aspect to read those bits?The idea that there is 300 pages of 'Kaladin sad' is a pretty ludicrous exaggeration.
You say other stuff happens, but there's so little of it that my assertion that the book is by and large 8-900 pages of cuttable filler stands. The sequences that actually engaged were Giant Enemy Crab and the final battle; the rest was tedium made manifest. And form memory those sections amount to a 100 page total or so. And it's a 1200 page book. In which almost nothing happens. And when things do happen, they're hamfisted, uninteresting, [/i]boring[/I] (Shallan's segments added nothing of interest, Grandpa's parts were boring and mopey and the interludes were just utterly pointless). Considering how fun and punchy Mistborn was, to have to go through a slog that the Men of the Tusk would look at and balk was unpleasant in the extreme and I take no shame in stating I yeeted that book from my house as it didn't deserve a place on my shelves.Also yes Worry is a satanic hipster who wants to destroy America, this is known.


Satanic hipsterism: the new almost-but-can't-be-bothered threat. A casual throw of the Devil's Horns accompanied by "Meh" or "Satan is just getting too commercial now". Plus beanies, stretcher earrings and kale smoothies.

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Posted 26 April 2019 - 11:39 PM

The Dave is awesome. He's like the Karsa of metal. Incredibly good, and knows it. [EDIT: Having said that, he strikes me as having turned over a new leaf since his conversion to Christianity in '03. He used to be a total jerk (now he has some parts missing...), but has mellowed since. He is certainly more modest than Lars. And a better singer than Tom. And a better riffer than James. And he said in 1988, long before Trump, that if he was president he would build a wall on the Mexican border. So basically, he is awesome. Not as awesome as Anomander Rake, but then, no one is.]
Rust in Peace is probably my most listened to thrash album. The riffing is second to none. Master of Puppets is the only other album that comes close, but I prefer Dave's voice. Also note that Megadeth has been producing quality output (I'll ignore Lulu if you ignore Risk) over a much greater period of time than Slayer or Metallica. I'll grant that the solos are a little lame compared to Kirk Wahmett's, but still better than Slayer (Kerry King, nuff said). I sometimes listen to Reign in Blood, but it is almost like "Let's make some shocking lyrics! Then we don't have to have decent lyrical constructs and we can use slightly boring riffs with minimal differentiation!"
I don't listen to black metal, but find VV's protestations of innocence and surprise at his plight morbidly amusing.

I just got that hyperbole comment. Well played, sir.

And I do believe you forgot beards, old clothes, vaping (double points for kale flavoured vape juice), and body odour.

On topic: Shallan's segments added something of interest. The conflict between her faith and Jasnah's atheism is interesting, we learn about soulcasting, there are some quite funny moments in there, and most importantly we learn more about the 'making' of a Knight Radiant.

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