[Tattersail_]

Galactic Council, on 04 April 2019 - 12:34 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 04 April 2019 - 12:28 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 04 April 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

At the risk of making another controversial decision ™, Morgoth does not have to use Gnaw's Ceasefire.

Gnaw activated the system without any move orders, then told Blend it was his turn. I had Blend's instructions, so I posted his turn. Gnaw's turn is now gone and you can't go back and add in move orders.

That's being a bit petty I think, both IH and D'rek have placed a similar order in previous rounds, they said activate system, wait to see if they activate the ceasefire.

And did they say it was someone else's turn? This should be a lesson to post your full order, or emphasise that you want to wait till something by another player is fulfilled. Morgoth was smart enough to point it out (once, uh, he was aware enough that one of his systems was activated).

The intent to move ships if ceasefire is not activated is there, no one activates a system unless there's a point to it, no ceasefire means he can move his ships surely.

(He says Blend can take his turn so as to not hold the game up)

I don't know, seems like loopholes/lawyering to me.

[Galactic Council]

I wrote a longer response which was lost. In short, it’s the rules, Morgoth was able to take advantage, Gnaw misplayed, it’s done.

[twelve]

Tapper, on 04 April 2019 - 05:23 AM, said:

twelve, on 03 April 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

Here is my price to prolong the game: a shields holding action card, a morale boost action card, Morgoth's ceasefire, 8 TGS non pillaged and the Imperial strategy card for next round.

Okay. I can deliver the TG, according to my PM alsobboth action cards and I am willing to pass on Imperial.

A PN I do not possess I cannot deliver - and unless you are okay with waiting on the TG until after I've traded all of them, that PN and my Trade Agreement cannot be traded in 1 transaction, anyway.

IH, for bearing the brunt of this deal, I will want your racial.

(Technically, Twelve, I have secured you at the least 1 free refresh, likely 2, so semantics say I've already fronted that part of the deal, but you're running an extortion racket here and semantics won't do).

[twelve]

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:

so you're not much for keeping a deal, even one round, twelve?

Like you said it's end game. I do nothing you win hence why you wouldn't give me the trade goods initially

[Morgoth]

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:

so you're not much for keeping a deal, even one round, twelve?

Like you said it's end game. I do nothing you win hence why you wouldn't give me the trade goods initially

You’re still breaking a deal you made the previous turn. That’s far away from breaking a long standing peace, or a border seperation. Those agreements fray with time and are not expected to last forever. You made a deal to not do a specific thing on the very next turn and you’re willing to break that explicit promise.

[twelve]

Tapper, on 04 April 2019 - 05:23 AM, said:

twelve, on 03 April 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

Here is my price to prolong the game: a shields holding action card, a morale boost action card, Morgoth's ceasefire, 8 TGS non pillaged and the Imperial strategy card for next round.

Okay. I can deliver the TG, according to my PM alsobboth action cards and I am willing to pass on Imperial.

A PN I do not possess I cannot deliver - and unless you are okay with waiting on the TG until after I've traded all of them, that PN and my Trade Agreement cannot be traded in 1 transaction, anyway.

IH, for bearing the brunt of this deal, I will want your racial.

(Technically, Twelve, I have secured you at the least 1 free refresh, likely 2, so semantics say I've already fronted that part of the deal, but you're running an extortion racket here and semantics won't do).

The action cards are the priority. To have the best chance at overcoming the reroll ability I need to land as many hits as possible in the first salvo especially with his shielding ability..

And I don't think of this as extortion. I see this more as simply free market economics as work. I have all the supply and there is plenty of demand.

And Taking the Ceasefire action card from Gnaw is a bad idea as then instead of Morgoth attacking Tar'Mann he will just attack Gnaw's tech specialty planet instead so that is off the table but Gnaw's contribution can be to take my racial and QDN Imperial for me.

[Imperial Historian]

I disagree very strongly on the ceasefire front.

Several players have done the activate system, assume ceasefire is played if not I'll make a move, play continues unless ceasefire is not played.

Morgoth essentially getting the effect of ceasefire twice is very much against the precedents we have already set.

Especially considering the only move that has been played is the pass blend stated last round.

[twelve]

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:

so you're not much for keeping a deal, even one round, twelve?

Like you said it's end game. I do nothing you win hence why you wouldn't give me the trade goods initially

You're still breaking a deal you made the previous turn. That's far away from breaking a long standing peace, or a border seperation. Those agreements fray with time and are not expected to last forever. You made a deal to not do a specific thing on the very next turn and you're willing to break that explicit promise.

Well i haven't broken anything yet. What is it worth to you to enter a binding deal to not attack Rex?

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:15 PM, said:

Tapper, on 04 April 2019 - 05:23 AM, said:

twelve, on 03 April 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

Here is my price to prolong the game: a shields holding action card, a morale boost action card, Morgoth's ceasefire, 8 TGS non pillaged and the Imperial strategy card for next round.

Okay. I can deliver the TG, according to my PM alsobboth action cards and I am willing to pass on Imperial.

A PN I do not possess I cannot deliver - and unless you are okay with waiting on the TG until after I've traded all of them, that PN and my Trade Agreement cannot be traded in 1 transaction, anyway.

IH, for bearing the brunt of this deal, I will want your racial.

(Technically, Twelve, I have secured you at the least 1 free refresh, likely 2, so semantics say I've already fronted that part of the deal, but you're running an extortion racket here and semantics won't do).

The action cards are the priority. To have the best chance at overcoming the reroll ability I need to land as many hits as possible in the first salvo especially with his shielding ability..

And I don't think of this as extortion. I see this more as simply free market economics as work. I have all the supply and there is plenty of demand.

And Taking the Ceasefire action card from Gnaw is a bad idea as then instead of Morgoth attacking Tar'Mann he will just attack Gnaw's tech specialty planet instead so that is off the table but Gnaw's contribution can be to take my racial and QDN Imperial for me.

Gnaws tech speciality planet is not protected by ceasefire as he has no units there.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 01:23 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:15 PM, said:

Tapper, on 04 April 2019 - 05:23 AM, said:

twelve, on 03 April 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

Here is my price to prolong the game: a shields holding action card, a morale boost action card, Morgoth's ceasefire, 8 TGS non pillaged and the Imperial strategy card for next round.

Okay. I can deliver the TG, according to my PM alsobboth action cards and I am willing to pass on Imperial.

A PN I do not possess I cannot deliver - and unless you are okay with waiting on the TG until after I've traded all of them, that PN and my Trade Agreement cannot be traded in 1 transaction, anyway.

IH, for bearing the brunt of this deal, I will want your racial.

(Technically, Twelve, I have secured you at the least 1 free refresh, likely 2, so semantics say I've already fronted that part of the deal, but you're running an extortion racket here and semantics won't do).

The action cards are the priority. To have the best chance at overcoming the reroll ability I need to land as many hits as possible in the first salvo especially with his shielding ability..

And I don't think of this as extortion. I see this more as simply free market economics as work. I have all the supply and there is plenty of demand.

And Taking the Ceasefire action card from Gnaw is a bad idea as then instead of Morgoth attacking Tar'Mann he will just attack Gnaw's tech specialty planet instead so that is off the table but Gnaw's contribution can be to take my racial and QDN Imperial for me.

Gnaws tech speciality planet is not protected by ceasefire as he has no units there.

He has a cruiser there I thought

[Morgoth]

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 01:09 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:

so you're not much for keeping a deal, even one round, twelve?

Like you said it's end game. I do nothing you win hence why you wouldn't give me the trade goods initially

You're still breaking a deal you made the previous turn. That's far away from breaking a long standing peace, or a border seperation. Those agreements fray with time and are not expected to last forever. You made a deal to not do a specific thing on the very next turn and you're willing to break that explicit promise.

Well i haven't broken anything yet. What is it worth to you to enter a binding deal to not attack Rex?

We made a deal. Pretending now that you haven’t is no better. This is the reason why I don’t enter agreements in order to break them. I know what it means to be considered untrustworthy and how that influences those you play with.

But sure, I am where I am. I can offer you another trade good. Break our deal and I will dedicate my game to burn you out of MR and any other planet I can reach. I have the ships and the cards to do so. I imagine Gnaw will lose interest in fighting me too, once my chance at gaining points from MR falls away.

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

This is the reason why I don’t enter agreements in order to break them. I know what it means to be considered untrustworthy and how that influences those you play with.

How does IH feel about that right now, I wonder

[twelve]

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 01:23 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 01:15 PM, said:

Tapper, on 04 April 2019 - 05:23 AM, said:

twelve, on 03 April 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

Here is my price to prolong the game: a shields holding action card, a morale boost action card, Morgoth's ceasefire, 8 TGS non pillaged and the Imperial strategy card for next round.

Okay. I can deliver the TG, according to my PM alsobboth action cards and I am willing to pass on Imperial.

A PN I do not possess I cannot deliver - and unless you are okay with waiting on the TG until after I've traded all of them, that PN and my Trade Agreement cannot be traded in 1 transaction, anyway.

IH, for bearing the brunt of this deal, I will want your racial.

(Technically, Twelve, I have secured you at the least 1 free refresh, likely 2, so semantics say I've already fronted that part of the deal, but you're running an extortion racket here and semantics won't do).

The action cards are the priority. To have the best chance at overcoming the reroll ability I need to land as many hits as possible in the first salvo especially with his shielding ability..

And I don't think of this as extortion. I see this more as simply free market economics as work. I have all the supply and there is plenty of demand.

And Taking the Ceasefire action card from Gnaw is a bad idea as then instead of Morgoth attacking Tar'Mann he will just attack Gnaw's tech specialty planet instead so that is off the table but Gnaw's contribution can be to take my racial and QDN Imperial for me.

Gnaws tech speciality planet is not protected by ceasefire as he has no units there.

He has a cruiser there I thought

Yes he does have a cruiser and morgoth doens't have gravity drive so unless he has a flank speed and no one else sabatoges it Wellon and Tar'Mann are his only options. I can use transit Diodes to bring in 4 infantry to make the fight in Tar'Mann at least 50-50 or Tatts can take it and reinforce it better then me.

[Morgoth]

D, on 04 April 2019 - 01:32 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

This is the reason why I don’t enter agreements in order to break them. I know what it means to be considered untrustworthy and how that influences those you play with.

How does IH feel about that right now, I wonder

IH understands that no deal like ours lasts forever, and would have done the same thing, as indeed he did last game. Neither of us entered our deal with the belief that the other would never attack. That would be unreasonable. But we both had a rightfull expectation that there would be no attacks right away.

[twelve]

I'm showing Tapper 3 action cards. Tapper if Gnaw agrees to his part of the deal then when you give me the action cards I'll give you two back in return. The one play as an action card I'll give if you play it on Morgoth as your next action. Else it will be the other two..

[Gnaw]

Galactic Council, on 04 April 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

At the risk of making another controversial decision ™, Morgoth does not have to use Gnaw's Ceasefire.

Gnaw activated the system without any move orders, then told Blend it was his turn. I had Blend's instructions, so I posted his turn. Gnaw's turn is now gone and you can't go back and add in move orders.

That’s bullshit.

[twelve]

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

I already have a deal with Tatts to make him Speaker.

[Gnaw]

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

Not ignoring you. Still considering whether I’m willing to give up the ceasefire. No one else has a homeworld next to him as poorly defended as mine.

[Gnaw]

And if Khell sticks by thst decision, I’m toast. Thin chance will be gone.