[Tapper]

twelve, on 06 February 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

Tapper, it will be my go soon. Will you be willing/able to swap my 3 commodities for your 3 commodities/TGs?

Tatts, have you figured out where you are going this round?

I would prefer the swap during my turn.

[Tapper]

My turn will be tomorrow. Sorry guys for the delay.

[twelve]

Tapper, on 06 February 2019 - 09:23 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 February 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

Tapper, it will be my go soon. Will you be willing/able to swap my 3 commodities for your 3 commodities/TGs?

Tatts, have you figured out where you are going this round?

I would prefer the swap during my turn.

It has to be on your turn as you don't have commodities yet.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 06 February 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

Tapper, it will be my go soon. Will you be willing/able to swap my 3 commodities for your 3 commodities/TGs?

Tatts, have you figured out where you are going this round?

Yes and no.

[Imperial Historian]

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 06 February 2019 - 10:24 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 February 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

Tapper, it will be my go soon. Will you be willing/able to swap my 3 commodities for your 3 commodities/TGs?

Tatts, have you figured out where you are going this round?

Yes and no.

I hope my move to Tura Nora isn't a problem. And with Rex already swapped up and with all others eying it I'm not in as big a hurry to fight off others so Ensapta won't be as big of an issue as I thought it would be.

[Galactic Council]

I will post an updated map in the morning.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

[Gnaw]

Morgoth, you forgot to state that you were refreshing commodities.

Do you want to swap them along with the ceasefires? Single transaction so you only get pirate once.

[D'rek]

My brain is too mushy right now to put a prov in but I'll be up to take my turn after Tapper first thing(ish) tomorrow morning.

[Tapper]

D, on 06 February 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

I would be very interested.

[Gnaw]

D, on 07 February 2019 - 05:05 AM, said:

My brain is too mushy right now to put a prov in but I'll be up to take my turn after Tapper first thing(ish) tomorrow morning.

Just play Construction.

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 05:14 AM, said:

D, on 06 February 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

I would be very interested.

By all means, do some mathy mathy to figure out what it's worth to me / worth to you and make an offer.

Gnaw, on 07 February 2019 - 05:32 AM, said:

D, on 07 February 2019 - 05:05 AM, said:

My brain is too mushy right now to put a prov in but I'll be up to take my turn after Tapper first thing(ish) tomorrow morning.

Just play Construction.

It's the secondaries that are the trouble.

[Morgoth]

Gnaw, on 07 February 2019 - 04:38 AM, said:

Morgoth, you forgot to state that you were refreshing commodities.

Do you want to swap them along with the ceasefires? Single transaction so you only get pirate once.

I did refresh commodities. I've bolded it now that I've polished the post. And IH and I have an understanding which means I will not be pirated.

I have already traded my commodities with IH. But I'm happy to do a trade with you, say 3 commodities for 2 TGs?

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 05:14 AM, said:

D, on 06 February 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

I would be very interested.

I thought you might, and was fully expecting d'rek to sell it to you, be aware that it only works if you don't attack me, so if you buy it off d'rek I will be incentivised to attack you continuously until you activate one of my systems.

I'd much rather we come to an agreement, as that will definitely last but if you want to deal with d'rek for the uncertainties of promise of protection go for it.

[Tapper]

D, on 07 February 2019 - 06:49 AM, said:

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 05:14 AM, said:

D, on 06 February 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

I would be very interested.

By all means, do some mathy mathy to figure out what it's worth to me / worth to you and make an offer.

I had some overnight thoughts.
They lead me to conclude I am once again in familiar territory where I reject common wisdom/pricing .

I would happily pay you 7 TG for your racial PN.
I don't think I would offer more than 6 for the Mentak PN, considering their piracy is more of an inconvenience (need to make more trades) than an unescapable blade of Damocles.

So, IMHO you are asking the wrong person to make an offer.
I think the better deal for you is asking the Mentak what it is worth to them for you to NOT exchange their racial PN with me for 6 TG.
For me, the downside of a vampiric Mentak sugarbaby might just mean that I may not be able to acquire the full 6 TG a turn, but perhaps only 5 (a loss of 1 TG a turn, but equal to buying the PN for 6, assuming we go 7 rounds this game).
They stand much more to lose with that exchange than I do: after all, bordering Hacan is likely worth 2-5 TG a turn for IH (2-3 TG leeched on transactions, plus a trade with me which they pirate, essentially making it a 3:1 exchange).

[Tapper]

Imperial Historian, on 07 February 2019 - 08:39 AM, said:

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 05:14 AM, said:

D, on 06 February 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

I would be very interested.

I thought you might, and was fully expecting d'rek to sell it to you, be aware that it only works if you don't attack me, so if you buy it off d'rek I will be incentivised to attack you continuously until you activate one of my systems.

I'd much rather come to an agreement, but if you want to deal with d'rek go for it.

Thank you for reinforcing my conclusion that you don't want me to hold that PN much more than I should want to hold it.

Here's my non-negotiable offer.

1. You promise to pirate no more than 2 deals between me and another player (other than you) on each of my commodities' refresh, regardless of how many trades I make.
2. You always trade your 2 TG with me whenever you get a free refresh, and you can always pirate that trade, making it essentially a 3:1 exchange for you.
Those conditions net you a likely 5 TG a turn.

If you break that agreement even once, I will set a bounty for each wormhole blocked by another player's fleet and for the first Mentak ship destroyed each round.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 07 February 2019 - 08:53 AM

[Gnaw]

Morgoth, on 07 February 2019 - 08:23 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 February 2019 - 04:38 AM, said:

Morgoth, you forgot to state that you were refreshing commodities.

Do you want to swap them along with the ceasefires? Single transaction so you only get pirate once.

I did refresh commodities. I've bolded it now that I've polished the post. And IH and I have an understanding which means I will not be pirated.

I have already traded my commodities with IH. But I'm happy to do a trade with you, say 3 commodities for 2 TGs?

No thanks Tapper. Er, Twelve. Er, Morgoth. Not interested in extortion today.

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

D, on 07 February 2019 - 06:49 AM, said:

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 05:14 AM, said:

D, on 06 February 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

I would be very interested.

By all means, do some mathy mathy to figure out what it's worth to me / worth to you and make an offer.

I had some overnight thoughts.
They lead me to conclude I am once again in familiar territory where I reject common wisdom/pricing .

I would happily pay you 7 TG for your racial PN.
I don't think I would offer more than 6 for the Mentak PN, considering their piracy is more of an inconvenience (need to make more trades) than an unescapable blade of Damocles.

So, IMHO you are asking the wrong person to make an offer.
I think the better deal for you is asking the Mentak what it is worth to them for you to NOT exchange their racial PN with me for 6 TG.
For me, the downside of a vampiric Mentak sugarbaby might just mean that I may not be able to acquire the full 6 TG a turn, but perhaps only 5 (a loss of 1 TG a turn, but equal to buying the PN for 6, assuming we go 7 rounds this game).
They stand much more to lose with that exchange than I do: after all, bordering Hacan is likely worth 2-5 TG a turn for IH (2-3 TG leeched on transactions, plus a trade with me which they pirate, essentially making it a 3:1 exchange).

If you want to buy it for 6TG go for it. I'm quite happy for the hacan to have it as it means more trades are likely to happen, which means ultimately more TG for me.

I expect I'll get a similar yield of TG from d'rek, and it means the VP potential of the jol nar is slightly reduced.

I'm also up for a deal with you Tapper where you pay me, I don't loot you and you get to accumulate TG at will. Ultimately I think you are of like minded with me and that you'd rather not pay something upfront rather than a steady yield over the game.

[Gnaw]

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 08:50 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 07 February 2019 - 08:39 AM, said:

Tapper, on 07 February 2019 - 05:14 AM, said:

D, on 06 February 2019 - 11:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 February 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Fine hacan merchants, the mentak are your friendly neighbours now. As such any trades are subject to a small tax, since you have many customers wishing to trade with you the mentak, would make you a special introductory offer. We will only tax your trades once this turn in return for hacan support in the upcoming agenda phase, the votes of your fine home planets perhaps in a direction of our choice? The mentak hope that this will be the beginning of a long and productive friendship.

And it's at this point that I suppose I should point out that since I haven't played the Mentak Promise of Protection yet I could technically still trade it to someone else. If the Hacan anticipate such a relationship turning sour and being pillaged quite a bit, I could perhaps be persuaded to trade it away.

I would be very interested.

I thought you might, and was fully expecting d'rek to sell it to you, be aware that it only works if you don't attack me, so if you buy it off d'rek I will be incentivised to attack you continuously until you activate one of my systems.

I'd much rather come to an agreement, but if you want to deal with d'rek go for it.

Thank you for reinforcing my conclusion that you don't want me to hold that PN much more than I should want to hold it.

Here's my non-negotiable offer.

1. You promise to pirate no more than 2 deals between me and another player (other than you) a turn, regardless of how many trades I make.
2. You always trade your 2 TG with me whenever you get a free refresh, and you can always pirate that trade, making it essentially a 3:1 exchange for you.
Those conditions net you a likely 5 TG a turn.

If you break that agreement even once, I will set a bounty for each wormhole blocked by another player's fleet and for the first Mentak ship destroyed each round.

Damn. Normally the iron fist has a silken glove on it. Forget that part Tapper? 😁

Care to swap commodities?