[twelve]

I expect this game to be the same as well.

[Tapper]

twelve, on 29 January 2019 - 08:42 PM, said:

Outside of Blend saying I will give my racial PN to whoever is my bitch for the first three rounds, why would he give it up at all? The value of that pn is just too high for most standard trades. He can just hold onto it until he gets someone willing to pay the price he deems worthy.

He could wait and sit on a 0/1, a 1/3 and maybe a 2/1 system, plus his 4/2 homeworld. He cannot afford losing his WS becauzs he cannot rebuild it.

In the meantime, Gnaw will expand past him and Nom will swamp his own planets with tonnes of infantry, allowing no expansion without war. Blend needs to sell to be competitive, but not to his neighbours or he will lose his one advantage. I open those gates for him.

[twelve]

Tatts, Looks like we are neighbors again. As you can expect I will be wanting to make a dash to the center. Can we agree to the nebula as a no mans land for all but 1 destroyer just in case there is an objective to be had by moving into one? I want much better relations with my neighbors this game. Also lets talk about the systems near the nebula. I would like to stake claim to Tura Nora as a defensive outpost just in case I don't go straight there this round and instead gobble up all the nearby planets to my homeworld. It's a bit awkward for you to get there and it's a great choke point to keep out unwanted visitors. Do you have any objections to this?

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 29 January 2019 - 08:55 PM, said:

twelve, on 29 January 2019 - 08:42 PM, said:

Outside of Blend saying I will give my racial PN to whoever is my bitch for the first three rounds, why would he give it up at all? The value of that pn is just too high for most standard trades. He can just hold onto it until he gets someone willing to pay the price he deems worthy.

He could wait and sit on a 0/1, a 1/3 and maybe a 2/1 system, plus his 4/2 homeworld. He cannot afford losing his WS becauzs he cannot rebuild it.

In the meantime, Gnaw will expand past him and Nom will swamp his own planets with tonnes of infantry, allowing no expansion without war. Blend needs to sell to be competitive, but not to his neighbours or he will lose his one advantage. I open those gates for him.

"No expansion without war" - but expansion via war is exactly what Muaat excels at, particularly in the early game.

Aside from their two immediately-adjacent planets, Macgnaw have to expand upwards into Everra. Getting to it they have to awkwardly traverse empty space since they've agreed to let Morgoth have full access to TequTork, and even once there the Nebula stunts their mobility exiting. Lodd Eru and even Mordai II might not have much defenses.

In the early rounds, Nom will be trying to build up infantry so he can build more than 1 thing at a time in each system. He, likewise, will not necessarily be able to muster much force against a war sun.

Blend will play how he wants, he can choose to be peaceful and trade-focused if that's what he wishes. But he's hardly lacking in hostile expansion options that are difficult or even impossible to be defended if that's how he chooses to play. Personally, I think Nom picking Arborec when he's right next to a resource-starved Muaat was just begging to be conquered (all the more so since Arborec won last game).

But I suppose that's where Hacan comes in and you could fund Blend's victims hoping it will push him into making your exchange...

[twelve]

Also looking at the abilities of the Muat if they can get their Command ship along with their War Sun they don't need resources to build, just influence to place cruisers, Fighters or destroyers.

[Tapper]

Blend will indeed play how he wants to play. If he goes full on aggressive, I can only respect that. Imho though, he lacks the influence and resources to not run out of steam. We'll see

[twelve]

Tapper I know that we agreed to a border of Arinam/Meer and Lazar/Sakulag. Can we expand on that agreement that no units other than carriers to enter that border and least until after those systems have been claimed? I'm a bit apprehensive to leave those open for easy colonization especially when they are right next to my homeworld.as I may not be able to grab those systems right away.

[Gnaw]

Tapper, on 29 January 2019 - 08:33 PM, said:

D, on 29 January 2019 - 08:20 PM, said:

Tapper, on 29 January 2019 - 08:16 PM, said:

D, on 29 January 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

Tapper, on 29 January 2019 - 07:26 PM, said:

In addition, I will hold your racial PN until such a time when you find a second buyer for it, allowing you to build up fleet capacity and keep the Nekro from copying it immediately during the first Council.

That is... not how that works. As soon as you use the War Sun PN the first time, Nekro will just copy the tech off of you, regardless of you holding the PN a 2nd time (and they can't copy the PN from Muaat no matter what happens, only the tech).

Ah, but that is not what i meant. I will not use the Muaat racial until after Blend finds a buyer who can afford his fee. That way, I won't have WS researched, so Nekro can't steal it.
And when he can, at the least Blend, myself and a third player will already have the technology.

You are way better at handling temptation than me

It is not that hard to handle.
If no-one wants to buy it, we have a level playing field, unit-wise. At some point, someone will get nervous and wants to upset the balance.

And whomever wants to buy it, makes sure their neihhbours will want the tech, too. Blend thus creates his own market, and some of those who want to buy/ build the thing, will come to me in order to be able afford it.

At the very worst, we will have new a level playing field in which everyone has WS. I will still have it first (well, second).

Heh. You’re just offering out loud what I told Mac I was thinking of doing. Can’t fault you for that.

I’m getting the impression that Tapper/Hacan is going to be a very expensive combination.

“Good morning Tapper”

“Good morning; that’ll be 1tg”

[Tattersail_]

Twelve Ensapta and Tarman are a goal of mine, speak more in morning?

[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 29 January 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Twelve Ensapta and Tarman are a goal of mine, speak more in morning?

Heh. I wonder what SO he has. 🙄

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 29 January 2019 - 09:56 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 January 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Twelve Ensapta and Tarman are a goal of mine, speak more in morning?

Heh. I wonder what SO he has. 🙄

I have not had a pm yey

[Gnaw]

My interview with the COO is <24 hours away. Anxiety awakens.

[twelve]

Neither do I. Khell must be taking a long dinner break.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 29 January 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Twelve Ensapta and Tarman are a goal of mine, speak more in morning?

I have no issues with you going for Tarr'man, Ensapta is a bit trickier. I'm not against you claiming it but we would need to work some logistics out first.

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 29 January 2019 - 10:01 PM, said:

My interview with the COO is <24 hours away. Anxiety awakens.

Good Luck

[D'rek]

twelve, on 29 January 2019 - 10:12 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 January 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Twelve Ensapta and Tarman are a goal of mine, speak more in morning?

I have no issues with you going for Tarr'man, Ensapta is a bit trickier. I'm not against you claiming it but we would need to work some logistics out first.

Ensapta is equally distant for the 2 of you, so makes sense it'd be contentious. Likewise, Tarmann is equidistant from me and Tatts, so I won't just concede it for nothing. But I'm willing to work out a deal where I give up any claims to it and recognize it as official Sol space.

[twelve]

I figured you would have issues with Tatts on that one D'rek.

[Morgoth]

For once tatts is the stronger military power too! Just don't let all that power go to your head, tatts!

[Morgoth]

Gnaw, on 29 January 2019 - 07:01 PM, said:

Morgoth, we are agreeable to a non conflict pathway for you. Especially with the appetizer you offer (just think of how cheap it would be to send a fighterII our way).

Fiery beings, we need to talk. (I'm getting ready for an appointment at the moment.) It occurs to us that we would see very little need to assimilate Muaat Units if we possessed the basic war sun technology ourselves.

That's good to hear. I will be amendable to other such trades of technology in the future.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 29 January 2019 - 10:42 PM, said:

For once tatts is the stronger military power too! Just don't let all that power go to your head, tatts!

I've learned my lesson on that regard