[Galactic Council]

Just FYI - Morgoth is not allowed to use the Diplomacy secondary after having been sabotaged. As Drek noted, secondaries MUST be played before any other part of a person's turn, so you can't retconn the decision to use the Diplomacy secondary IF an action card is sabotaged. I am crossing it out of his post now.

[Imperial Historian]

Honestly I thought morgoths intention to play diplomacy and refresh two planets (obviously his highest resource ones) was pretty clear from his post.

His original post had the intention to use diplomacy in it and he used a CT for it in his original post, his wording was more along the lines of I'm using diplomacy, but the specific planets don't matter because of this action card, I'll use it anyway in case someone sabotages me. And he clearly spent the CT in his post.

It's not that he waited until his action card was sabotaged before playing it, he did it but didn't update the specifics due to his action card.

I think it's very harsh to rule against him in this way, as it will mean he will lose on a technicality.

[Imperial Historian]

In any case I am going to wait to see a fully updated post from morgoth before moving.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 20 December 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Honestly I thought morgoths intention to play diplomacy and refresh two planets (obviously his highest resource ones) was pretty clear from his post.

His original post had the intention to use diplomacy in it and he used a CT for it in his original post, his wording was more along the lines of I'm using diplomacy, but the specific planets don't matter because of this action card, I'll use it anyway in case someone sabotages me. And he clearly spent the CT in his post.

It's not that he waited until his action card was sabotaged before playing it, he did it but didn't update the specifics due to his action card.

I think it's very harsh to rule against him in this way, as it will mean he will lose on a technicality.

In the regular game, secondaries are played immediately after the primary is played (so during the turn of whoever is playing the Primary) so Morgoth would have already had to play Diplomacy before his turn even started.

Due to forum play, we have modified the rules a bit to make it so that secondaries must be the very first part of a person's turn.

Because the choice to use the diplomacy secondary would have already been made BEFORE he even played the action card, he can't submit a provisional to only play a secondary if the action card he would have to play AFTER deciding whether or not he uses the secondary is sabotaged.

I stand firm on this ruling and would have ruled the same without D'rek's interjection.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 20 December 2018 - 07:52 PM

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 20 December 2018 - 05:39 PM, said:

In any case I am going to wait to see a fully updated post from morgoth before moving.

Yoo-hoo, drunken Viking presence requested on aisle 4.

[Tapper]

Galactic Council, on 20 December 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 December 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Honestly I thought morgoths intention to play diplomacy and refresh two planets (obviously his highest resource ones) was pretty clear from his post.

His original post had the intention to use diplomacy in it and he used a CT for it in his original post, his wording was more along the lines of I'm using diplomacy, but the specific planets don't matter because of this action card, I'll use it anyway in case someone sabotages me. And he clearly spent the CT in his post.

It's not that he waited until his action card was sabotaged before playing it, he did it but didn't update the specifics due to his action card.

I think it's very harsh to rule against him in this way, as it will mean he will lose on a technicality.

In the regular game, secondaries are played immediately after the primary is played (so during the turn of whoever is playing the Primary) so Morgoth would have already had to play Diplomacy before his turn even started.

Due to forum play, we have modified the rules a bit to make it so that secondaries must be the very first part of a person's turn.

Because the choice to use the diplomacy secondary would have already been made BEFORE he even played the action card, he can't submit a provisional to only play a secondary if the action card he would have to play AFTER deciding whether or not he uses the secondary is sabotaged.

I stand firm on this ruling and would have ruled the same without D'rek's interjection.

OK, your prerogative as GC.

Now what, though? Is he going to redo his entire turn?

If you rule against him being able to use Diplomacy period, then he should get a Strategic CT back, considering he did spend it on Diplomacy in his original post.

[Khellendros]

Galactic Council, on 20 December 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 December 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Honestly I thought morgoths intention to play diplomacy and refresh two planets (obviously his highest resource ones) was pretty clear from his post.

His original post had the intention to use diplomacy in it and he used a CT for it in his original post, his wording was more along the lines of I'm using diplomacy, but the specific planets don't matter because of this action card, I'll use it anyway in case someone sabotages me. And he clearly spent the CT in his post.

It's not that he waited until his action card was sabotaged before playing it, he did it but didn't update the specifics due to his action card.

I think it's very harsh to rule against him in this way, as it will mean he will lose on a technicality.

In the regular game, secondaries are played immediately after the primary is played (so during the turn of whoever is playing the Primary) so Morgoth would have already had to play Diplomacy before his turn even started.

Due to forum play, we have modified the rules a bit to make it so that secondaries must be the very first part of a person's turn.

Because the choice to use the diplomacy secondary would have already been made BEFORE he even played the action card, he can't submit a provisional to only play a secondary if the action card he would have to play AFTER deciding whether or not he uses the secondary is sabotaged.

I stand firm on this ruling and would have ruled the same without D'rek's interjection.

But to me it didn't read like a provisional, more like just him explaining his reason for using the diplo secondary. I thought he always intended to use the diplo secondary no matter what.

[D'rek]

I'd be fine with him still using DIPLO. It'd be a pretty hollow victory if we did still manage to beat him after it getting nulled like this.

[Itwæs Nom]

Khellendros, on 21 December 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 20 December 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 December 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Honestly I thought morgoths intention to play diplomacy and refresh two planets (obviously his highest resource ones) was pretty clear from his post.

His original post had the intention to use diplomacy in it and he used a CT for it in his original post, his wording was more along the lines of I'm using diplomacy, but the specific planets don't matter because of this action card, I'll use it anyway in case someone sabotages me. And he clearly spent the CT in his post.

It's not that he waited until his action card was sabotaged before playing it, he did it but didn't update the specifics due to his action card.

I think it's very harsh to rule against him in this way, as it will mean he will lose on a technicality.

In the regular game, secondaries are played immediately after the primary is played (so during the turn of whoever is playing the Primary) so Morgoth would have already had to play Diplomacy before his turn even started.

Due to forum play, we have modified the rules a bit to make it so that secondaries must be the very first part of a person's turn.

Because the choice to use the diplomacy secondary would have already been made BEFORE he even played the action card, he can't submit a provisional to only play a secondary if the action card he would have to play AFTER deciding whether or not he uses the secondary is sabotaged.

I stand firm on this ruling and would have ruled the same without D'rek's interjection.

But to me it didn't read like a provisional, more like just him explaining his reason for using the diplo secondary. I thought he always intended to use the diplo secondary no matter what.

Initially I read it just like Blend did but I can see now how this is more likely to be the case, guess he should also have specified the planets he was using it on when posting it, but I don't think that should disqualify him from using it altogether

[Galactic Council]

Itwæs Nom, on 21 December 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 December 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 20 December 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 December 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Honestly I thought morgoths intention to play diplomacy and refresh two planets (obviously his highest resource ones) was pretty clear from his post.

His original post had the intention to use diplomacy in it and he used a CT for it in his original post, his wording was more along the lines of I'm using diplomacy, but the specific planets don't matter because of this action card, I'll use it anyway in case someone sabotages me. And he clearly spent the CT in his post.

It's not that he waited until his action card was sabotaged before playing it, he did it but didn't update the specifics due to his action card.

I think it's very harsh to rule against him in this way, as it will mean he will lose on a technicality.

In the regular game, secondaries are played immediately after the primary is played (so during the turn of whoever is playing the Primary) so Morgoth would have already had to play Diplomacy before his turn even started.

Due to forum play, we have modified the rules a bit to make it so that secondaries must be the very first part of a person's turn.

Because the choice to use the diplomacy secondary would have already been made BEFORE he even played the action card, he can't submit a provisional to only play a secondary if the action card he would have to play AFTER deciding whether or not he uses the secondary is sabotaged.

I stand firm on this ruling and would have ruled the same without D'rek's interjection.

But to me it didn't read like a provisional, more like just him explaining his reason for using the diplo secondary. I thought he always intended to use the diplo secondary no matter what.

Initially I read it just like Blend did but I can see now how this is more likely to be the case, guess he should also have specified the planets he was using it on when posting it, but I don't think that should disqualify him from using it altogether

Yeah, now that I'm looking at it closer, I see what you all mean. I've asked Morgoth to confirm and to add to the planets he's using Diplo secondary on if he did in fact want to use it regardless.

[Morgoth]

Right. I’m back on my feet now. Sorry again, but puking constantly for several days made a mess of me.

[Morgoth]

And yeah, i thought i was clear that diplomacy was played first and not as a sort of provisional, but I see how that was in fact not so obvious. Especially as I didnt include the planets i was refreshing. In my defence I was very tired.

It should be all there now. Sorry again for holding up the game!

[Khellendros]

Morgoth, on 22 December 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

And yeah, i thought i was clear that diplomacy was played first and not as a sort of provisional, but I see how that was in fact not so obvious. Especially as I didnt include the planets i was refreshing. In my defence I was very tired.

It should be all there now. Sorry again for holding up the game!

Hope you're feeling better now. And don't worry, we deducted 1VP from you for holding the game up, so we're all square.

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 23 December 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 22 December 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

And yeah, i thought i was clear that diplomacy was played first and not as a sort of provisional, but I see how that was in fact not so obvious. Especially as I didnt include the planets i was refreshing. In my defence I was very tired.

It should be all there now. Sorry again for holding up the game!

Hope you're feeling better now. And don't worry, we deducted 1VP from you for holding the game up, so we're all square.

Uh, Khell.....are you sure you want to set that particular precedent? Better think that one through with yourself as the offending party.

[Tattersail_]

All the shit I got last week

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 23 December 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

All the shit I got last week

Believe me when I say I’ve gotten more shit during that last week than you’ve ever gotten ingame

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 23 December 2018 - 10:26 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 23 December 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

All the shit I got last week

Believe me when I say I’ve gotten more shit during that last week than you’ve ever gotten ingame

Hope it gets better

[Gnaw]

1 - Merry Christmas
2 - Happy Holidays
3 - Bah Fucking Humbug


Pick the one that makes you happy.

[Gnaw]

IH, you’re up.

[twelve]

The Europeans of the group are probably still on holiday while those of us on the other side of the pond are back to slaving away already.