[twelve]

Tatts, Im calling in 1 of the votes you owe me to be used on the seeds agenda. Which means if you have a rider you have to use it on the other agenda. I'll forgive those 2 votes, however if you give me either Tappers or IHs trade agreement pn. I'm also willing to bundle that in with my ceasefire and sftt for yours and the other trade agreement pn and a non agression pact midway between our homeworlds. This is your chance to walk away with no hard feelings with a VP.

[Gnaw]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Give him the votes Tatts. I'm more than happy giving him all the votes he needs for a VP.

It's not a VP, he'll pop diplomacy on his HW before you can move.

Uh. I'm missing something then. Unless D'rek, IH, or Morgy go back on their word he can't.

The rider gives me diplomacy without the diplomacy strategy card.

Ah. I missed that you had named the rider.

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Give him the votes Tatts. I'm more than happy giving him all the votes he needs for a VP.

It's not a VP, he'll pop diplomacy on his HW before you can move.

Uh. I'm missing something then. Unless D'rek, IH, or Morgy go back on their word he can't.

The rider gives me diplomacy without the diplomacy strategy card.

Ah. I missed that you had named the rider.

That's why I wanted to know if you are sabotaging it before I post my status update. That will drastically change what I'm going to do in my status post.

[Tapper]

Twelve, how will you be calling the votes I owe you, if you do? I assume 2 AGAINST on SEEDS?

I am currently a bit on the drunk side, status will be done when sober as I might skip smth important (like scoring)

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

Bring up that phase discussion around the time I offered my votes. I was playing mind games with Twelve and was surprised to find it in his game post.

IH every time we've struck a deal it has gone back and forth until both parties agree. That didn't happen here. I offered as a joke and he put it in his game post. There's no negotiation there.

Tatts, joke or not, did you get the result you asked for? If yes, it's a deal in my eyes. Doesn't even matter if it was what Twelve would have done, anyway.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Give him the votes Tatts. I'm more than happy giving him all the votes he needs for a VP.

It's not a VP, he'll pop diplomacy on his HW before you can move.

Uh. I'm missing something then. Unless D'rek, IH, or Morgy go back on their word he can't.

The rider gives me diplomacy without the diplomacy strategy card.

Ah. I missed that you had named the rider.

That's why I wanted to know if you are sabotaging it before I post my status update. That will drastically change what I'm going to do in my status post.

Why would anyone tell you they are sabotaging it?

[twelve]

Tapper, on 24 August 2018 - 07:57 PM, said:

Twelve, how will you be calling the votes I owe you, if you do? I assume 2 AGAINST on SEEDS?

I am currently a bit on the drunk side, status will be done when sober as I might skip smth important (like scoring)

I don't know which way i want the votes to go on Seeds actually. I want to see where each player is on points before I call it. Also if Tatts plays a rider on this and he doesn't accept my trade offer(s) I'll likely pick the opposite of his choice.

[Tattersail_]

Alright someone can have a trade pn, that's 4 tgs or my trade pn and give me 2 back if they sabotage Twelve's rider.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Give him the votes Tatts. I'm more than happy giving him all the votes he needs for a VP.

It's not a VP, he'll pop diplomacy on his HW before you can move.

Uh. I'm missing something then. Unless D'rek, IH, or Morgy go back on their word he can't.

The rider gives me diplomacy without the diplomacy strategy card.

Ah. I missed that you had named the rider.

That's why I wanted to know if you are sabotaging it before I post my status update. That will drastically change what I'm going to do in my status post.

Why would anyone tell you they are sabotaging it?

Because that is the only part of my status post I'm doing until I get confirmation from Blend that it was or was not nixed. And I'm only doing that after you post your status post as you had lower initiative than me.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 24 August 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

Bring up that phase discussion around the time I offered my votes. I was playing mind games with Twelve and was surprised to find it in his game post.

IH every time we've struck a deal it has gone back and forth until both parties agree. That didn't happen here. I offered as a joke and he put it in his game post. There's no negotiation there.

Tatts, joke or not, did you get the result you asked for? If yes, it's a deal in my eyes. Doesn't even matter if it was what Twelve would have done, anyway.

How would him popping trade first turn benefit me in any way when you had my trade pn and he was bargaining with everyone to not deal with me or Gnaw.

If you take the same situation when he was dealing with Knell or IH this same round they made sure that both parties was agreeing to a deal.

I'll give you 2 votes, does not equate to anything unless agreed upon. Either way its never been a deal in my eyes.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alright someone can have a trade pn, that's 4 tgs or my trade pn and give me 2 back if they sabotage Twelve's rider.

Seriously!? You still want to go through with this? With my rider passing and me able to rebuild against Gnaws assault I would leave you alone and you get a VP and are freed up to score different objectives. How does continuing this course of action benefiting you?

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alright someone can have a trade pn, that's 4 tgs or my trade pn and give me 2 back if they sabotage Twelve's rider.

I'm thinking people find their sabotages way more valuable than this offer anyway.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

Tapper, on 24 August 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

Bring up that phase discussion around the time I offered my votes. I was playing mind games with Twelve and was surprised to find it in his game post.

IH every time we've struck a deal it has gone back and forth until both parties agree. That didn't happen here. I offered as a joke and he put it in his game post. There's no negotiation there.

Tatts, joke or not, did you get the result you asked for? If yes, it's a deal in my eyes. Doesn't even matter if it was what Twelve would have done, anyway.

How would him popping trade first turn benefit me in any way when you had my trade pn and he was bargaining with everyone to not deal with me or Gnaw.

If you take the same situation when he was dealing with Knell or IH this same round they made sure that both parties was agreeing to a deal.

I'll give you 2 votes, does not equate to anything unless agreed upon. Either way its never been a deal in my eyes.

Then you should have not told me and everyone else on thread you would give those votes to me if I popped trade then.

[twelve]

Tatts, you also have precident from last game to just this type of deals. That's how I ended up with your political secrets pn last game. You just said you would give me it for something I was doing anyway so I was like okay I'll take it.

[Tattersail_]

Tattersail_, on 14 August 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

twelve, on 14 August 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Nom, IH, and Morgoth, I need to know if my terms for a refresh are acceptable before my first turn as I'm popping trade my first action. Morgoth I just need to know if you accept the economic sanctions portion of the deal.

Excellent, thank you. I'll give you two of my votes too.

This was the joke. No negotiation. Yet he puts it in his game post.

Yet when discussing same thing with IH which was a proper discussion there was back and forth. I'm not having anyone say this is a "deal".

[twelve]

Tatts,be smart here. You still have a shot to win the game. Heck by taking my sftt you could be in first place or tied for first. If that is the case I'd be willing to have people cast votes for you to gain the VP. Just take my deal and I get to live long enough to make it to the end of the game and you have a very good shot of actually winning.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 24 August 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Give him the votes Tatts. I'm more than happy giving him all the votes he needs for a VP.

It's not a VP, he'll pop diplomacy on his HW before you can move.

Uh. I'm missing something then. Unless D'rek, IH, or Morgy go back on their word he can't.

The rider gives me diplomacy without the diplomacy strategy card.

Ah. I missed that you had named the rider.

That's why I wanted to know if you are sabotaging it before I post my status update. That will drastically change what I'm going to do in my status post.

Why would anyone tell you they are sabotaging it?

Because that is the only part of my status post I'm doing until I get confirmation from Blend that it was or was not nixed. And I'm only doing that after you post your status post as you had lower initiative than me.

If someone said they was then you hold your rider card?

So this is 100% you playing that card?

Just for clarification?

[twelve]

When you think getting out of this ackward deal situation you got yourself into and 2 VPs and my ceasefire those 14 trade goods is more than a fair price to pay.

[twelve]

I'm playing my card. I said I was. I have to. Not changing my mind.

[Tattersail_]

You know what if you end up with diplomacy after sacrificing my ships to weaken your fleet you did well.

I'm not giving you any of those trade pn's though. Forget that.