[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm going to be playing my diplomacy rider most likely on seeds of an empire but I need to know everyone's points at the end of the status phase and/or if Gnaw or Tatts sabotage this card before I do my own status post.

I'll do my status update after yours then

[twelve]

Tatts, I'll give you my sftt if you give me yours, tappers, and IHs trade agreement pns and the promise not to attack you outside Thibalh the rest of the game.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 24 August 2018 - 10:40 AM, said:

Tatts do you want khell to take abyz fria? Because it seems like you are politely asking him to just take the high resource planets he needs ..

I thought for sure you were going to do it yourself last round. You've had 2 opportunities this game to help yourself while also helping me and you passed them up. Been very disappointed in that aspect of your game play but you have garnered sftt cards and once again you are poised to be able to win this gane. Very well done sir.

As you say it's a game of points and happy as I am to help you to a certain extent I'm after points and your sftt is only valuable whilst you are still in the game.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

Tatts, I'll give you my sftt if you give me yours, tappers, and IHs trade agreement pns and the promise not to attack you outside Thibalh the rest of the game.

That is an outstanding offer. Given a VP is worth 5 TG's or 3 CT's.

I'll make you an offer though;

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CQ | Bribery | Play immediately after the results are revealed for one Agenda | Spend any number of trade goods. For each trade good spent, cast 1 additional vote for any outcome.

You can buy this off me for 3 TG's. It will leave you with a further 3 TG's to spend on the bribe.

[Tattersail_]

That action card is available for anyone to buy for 3TG's, either some now some next round but the offer is on the table.

[twelve]

The first opportunity was right after gnaw attacked me which would have helped me the most and I would have given you my sftt and allowed me to retake Everra. This last time it would have been just you attacking Tatts to gain the two hazard planets to gain the public objective and my sftt wouldn't have even been offered. Just you serving your own self interests would have forced Tatts to abandon his assault on me. But alas you didn't take the opportunity.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:07 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

Tatts, I'll give you my sftt if you give me yours, tappers, and IHs trade agreement pns and the promise not to attack you outside Thibalh the rest of the game.

That is an outstanding offer. Given a VP is worth 5 TG's or 3 CT's.

Funny considering you just threw away 19 trade goods worth of materials, 3 action cards and multiple CT for zero points figured you would be all over giving up 13 trade goods for a VP and security from a neighbor. If you want I'll even throw in my ceasefire card as well if that will make you feel better about my intentions.

This post has been edited by twelve: 24 August 2018 - 03:20 PM

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm going to be playing my diplomacy rider most likely on seeds of an empire but I need to know everyone's points at the end of the status phase and/or if Gnaw or Tatts sabotage this card before I do my own status post.

I'll do my status update after yours then

Status Phase (officially) follows initiative order, so if Twelve insists then you *must* make your status phase post before him.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 24 August 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm going to be playing my diplomacy rider most likely on seeds of an empire but I need to know everyone's points at the end of the status phase and/or if Gnaw or Tatts sabotage this card before I do my own status post.

I'll do my status update after yours then

Status Phase (officially) follows initiative order, so if Twelve insists then you *must* make your status phase post before him.

and he'd have to play his rider before seeing everyone else's post

[Tattersail_]

So this goes to Blend, are we going to see everyone's status posts and then play riders? I think it matters here because if one person is out ahead they won't get the votes for extra VP but if 3 people are then they might.

Current leaders being Nom, Morgoth and IH, and if D'rek scores a secret Objective then she will also be in the run in for lead. Without her they own 38 votes, everyone else 48 but with her they'd have 46 votes everyone else 40. This all changes based on points scored in the Status phase.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

D, on 24 August 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm going to be playing my diplomacy rider most likely on seeds of an empire but I need to know everyone's points at the end of the status phase and/or if Gnaw or Tatts sabotage this card before I do my own status post.

I'll do my status update after yours then

Status Phase (officially) follows initiative order, so if Twelve insists then you *must* make your status phase post before him.

and he'd have to play his rider before seeing everyone else's post

How so?

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

D, on 24 August 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm going to be playing my diplomacy rider most likely on seeds of an empire but I need to know everyone's points at the end of the status phase and/or if Gnaw or Tatts sabotage this card before I do my own status post.

I'll do my status update after yours then

Status Phase (officially) follows initiative order, so if Twelve insists then you *must* make your status phase post before him.

and he'd have to play his rider before seeing everyone else's post

Well riders are supposed to be played at the start of the agenda phase. We just house ruled for them to be played during the status phase. Most times it doesn't matter but for this particular agenda, whoever benefits from the law can and probably will change depending on who scores points this round. I need to know the final points of players to know who I'm competing against for this particular agenda so I know which way to play the rider. Considering if my rider fails I'm out of the game I argue I can wait until points are scored before I choose which way the rider goes if nothing else.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:38 PM, said:

So this goes to Blend, are we going to see everyone's status posts and then play riders? I think it matters here because if one person is out ahead they won't get the votes for extra VP but if 3 people are then they might.

Current leaders being Nom, Morgoth and IH, and if D'rek scores a secret Objective then she will also be in the run in for lead. Without her they own 38 votes, everyone else 48 but with her they'd have 46 votes everyone else 40. This all changes based on points scored in the Status phase.

Blend said before that Riders are played at the same time as your status post.

[twelve]

Also I'm likely to be calling in owed votes from players if need be to prevent competing votes. That goes for you too Tatts. I fully expect you to honor those two offered votes you gave me for playing trade first action last round.

[twelve]

I have problem stating I'm playing the rider in my post but I argue I don't have to call which way I'm playing it until the final point tally is revealed.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 03:41 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

D, on 24 August 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm going to be playing my diplomacy rider most likely on seeds of an empire but I need to know everyone's points at the end of the status phase and/or if Gnaw or Tatts sabotage this card before I do my own status post.

I'll do my status update after yours then

Status Phase (officially) follows initiative order, so if Twelve insists then you *must* make your status phase post before him.

and he'd have to play his rider before seeing everyone else's post

Well riders are supposed to be played at the start of the agenda phase. We just house ruled for them to be played during the status phase. Most times it doesn't matter but for this particular agenda, whoever benefits from the law can and probably will change depending on who scores points this round. I need to know the final points of players to know who I'm competing against for this particular agenda so I know which way to play the rider. Considering if my rider fails I'm out of the game I argue I can wait until points are scored before I choose which way the rider goes if nothing else.

I have a rider too, so I don't mind posting my status post as long as I know I can play the rider once the results are in. This is the confusion, my rider will be placed on the same one as yours

[Tattersail_]

D, on 24 August 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 August 2018 - 03:38 PM, said:

So this goes to Blend, are we going to see everyone's status posts and then play riders? I think it matters here because if one person is out ahead they won't get the votes for extra VP but if 3 people are then they might.

Current leaders being Nom, Morgoth and IH, and if D'rek scores a secret Objective then she will also be in the run in for lead. Without her they own 38 votes, everyone else 48 but with her they'd have 46 votes everyone else 40. This all changes based on points scored in the Status phase.

Blend said before that Riders are played at the same time as your status post.

Exactly and given that Twelve is after me and all the current game leaders are after him except for Nom then there is conflict.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 24 August 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

Also I'm likely to be calling in owed votes from players if need be to prevent competing votes. That goes for you too Tatts. I fully expect you to honor those two offered votes you gave me for playing trade first action last round.

I didn't agree to that deal and was only joking. I've said this once already

[Imperial Historian]

I'd argue riders should wait until points are scored in this case. There are probably a few other edge cases where points should wait until after the status phase. Up to blend though. Twelve has declared the intention to use a rider so it's not unreasonable.

[Imperial Historian]

Amusingly I think blends intention with this was to prevent the whole wait to play riders thing to gain an advantage. now we have reached it via a different point. The perils of forum play.