[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 26 July 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 26 July 2018 - 11:12 AM, said:

Any limitations on how many forces I bring through?

I don't mind whatever ships you move there.

Now I'm even more glad.

[Tattersail_]

firstly I said why IH wants it but lets go backwards

D, on 25 July 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 25 July 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

D, on 25 July 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

Why does IH want Mansa III again?

The public objective, own 4 planets of the same trait. That's why Nevant or M. Xull were options for the wormhole. He owns 3 hazardous planets, although he could come to an arrangement with Gnaw for Daemon.

Seems like a good reason NOT to let him just blithely take it, then? Or really, really charge him out the ass for it. Letting another player do a thing that gains them a VP should be expensive, and all the moreso if they are currently in the lead.

We made a deal which you got 6Tg's as well as Ceasefire PN

Tattersail_, on 20 July 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

D, on 20 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 July 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

D, on 20 July 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 July 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

D'rek what happens to your carrier when I move my carrier and infantry into Mansa 3 this turn? I plan on leaving Abyz/Fria undefended but what is to stop you from moving in on them when I do. Especially considering the new objective. Obviously I want good relations with you and do plan on production biomes going in your favour, exchange of SFTT when I vacate Mansa round 3. I just want your thoughts on the matter before making any moves.

It is tempting given the latest public objective... but it's not my intention. If it would reassure you more, do you want to just trade PNs now? How about we exchange both Ceasefires and Trade Agreements, and in exchange you can just keep Mansa III for the rest of the game?

I'd trade both of those things now, and still let you take Mansa in a future round if you'd want it.

Sure, sounds good to me. Your turn comes first, so let's do it then. And if you do end up wanting to keep Mansa III the whole game, that's fine.

Okay no problem.

Trade PN's and Ceasefire on my turn, i'll prepare now.

So from here I am taking it as my system to do with how I please. I do want it for my tech racial but not right away. Looking at IH he has to move that fleet of his somewhere and the options where Abyz/Fria as he stated or Mansa 3 as I negotiated. I invited him there to score his VP and vacate, i'd get my system back and he can look elsewhere for opportunities.

I have been focusing on how to take Twelve's HW and not really focused on much else of the board. I can see Morgoth wanting to move somewhere and seem as he has good relations with his neighbours and little planets with resources that he'd be looking towards our neighbouring systems, Abyz/Fria and Starpoint/New Albion as they aren't heavily defended. So although I haven't been putting loads down in thread other than Twelve I am aware of what everyone is capable of. Now on his next turn IH has to move, not only because of his impending deal with Morgoth but also he only has 1 TCT left. So where is he going to go. Mansa 3? Well you've just placed 3 infantry there, so you're basically deflecting him towards Sakalug which is where I'm building to take on Twelve. I had my ships next to Mansa ready to go into Mansa or Abyz/Fria if he betrayed me by wanting to out stay his welcome.

[D'rek]

Yeah, we had a deal and exchange of PNs. That deal was for you to take Mansa III and me not to interfere with your ownership of the planet. You never asked (and I would never have given) you the right to arbitrarily dictate who gets the system for the rest of the game. If Khell had wanted to move his fleet there you think I'd have been okay with it? If Gnaw parked his flagship and took PDS pot shots at me whenever I moved around it you think I'd have been okay with that?

The deal was you take over Mansa III, and I don't try to beat you to it or take it from you. We met those terms, we each fulfilled our part of that deal.

You leaving the planet and inviting someone else to it without me reacting was never part of that deal. Now that you've abandoned the planet, me taking it has no bearing on the previously fulfilled deal, either.

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

I have been focusing on how to take Twelve's HW and not really focused on much else of the board. I can see Morgoth wanting to move somewhere and seem as he has good relations with his neighbours and little planets with resources that he'd be looking towards our neighbouring systems, Abyz/Fria and Starpoint/New Albion as they aren't heavily defended. So although I haven't been putting loads down in thread other than Twelve I am aware of what everyone is capable of. Now on his next turn IH has to move, not only because of his impending deal with Morgoth but also he only has 1 TCT left. So where is he going to go. Mansa 3? Well you've just placed 3 infantry there, so you're basically deflecting him towards Sakalug which is where I'm building to take on Twelve. I had my ships next to Mansa ready to go into Mansa or Abyz/Fria if he betrayed me by wanting to out stay his welcome.

Yeah, I don't give a shit that you're focusing on Twelve's HW or not. That's not going to work as an excuse for taking bad deals that threaten me.

And where in the heck did you get the idea of "Well, IH has a big fleet and it has to go *somewhere* so I may as well just invite him to my doorstep and a free VP" ??? After you and Gnaw are done with Twelve or whatever are you going to say "Well, Gnaw's fleet has to go *somewhere* so I might as well give him Thibah" ? If I build a big fleet are you going to say "Well, D'rek's fleet has to go *somewhere*..." and give me Abyz/Fria ?

IH and Morgoth don't *have* to do anything, but if they are going to expand further why would you just give them pieces of yourself across the map? If anything, you should be incentivizing them to backstab each other, since they're both in a good position to have a VP and area-control lead in the mid-game.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 02 August 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Yeah, we had a deal and exchange of PNs. That deal was for you to take Mansa III and me not to interfere with your ownership of the planet. You never asked (and I would never have given) you the right to arbitrarily dictate who gets the system for the rest of the game. If Khell had wanted to move his fleet there you think I'd have been okay with it? If Gnaw parked his flagship and took PDS pot shots at me whenever I moved around it you think I'd have been okay with that?

The deal was you take over Mansa III, and I don't try to beat you to it or take it from you. We met those terms, we each fulfilled our part of that deal.

You leaving the planet and inviting someone else to it without me reacting was never part of that deal. Now that you've abandoned the planet, me taking it has no bearing on the previously fulfilled deal, either.

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

I have been focusing on how to take Twelve's HW and not really focused on much else of the board. I can see Morgoth wanting to move somewhere and seem as he has good relations with his neighbours and little planets with resources that he'd be looking towards our neighbouring systems, Abyz/Fria and Starpoint/New Albion as they aren't heavily defended. So although I haven't been putting loads down in thread other than Twelve I am aware of what everyone is capable of. Now on his next turn IH has to move, not only because of his impending deal with Morgoth but also he only has 1 TCT left. So where is he going to go. Mansa 3? Well you've just placed 3 infantry there, so you're basically deflecting him towards Sakalug which is where I'm building to take on Twelve. I had my ships next to Mansa ready to go into Mansa or Abyz/Fria if he betrayed me by wanting to out stay his welcome.

Yeah, I don't give a shit that you're focusing on Twelve's HW or not. That's not going to work as an excuse for taking bad deals that threaten me.

And where in the heck did you get the idea of "Well, IH has a big fleet and it has to go *somewhere* so I may as well just invite him to my doorstep and a free VP" ??? After you and Gnaw are done with Twelve or whatever are you going to say "Well, Gnaw's fleet has to go *somewhere* so I might as well give him Thibah" ? If I build a big fleet are you going to say "Well, D'rek's fleet has to go *somewhere*..." and give me Abyz/Fria ?

IH and Morgoth don't *have* to do anything, but if they are going to expand further why would you just give them pieces of yourself across the map? If anything, you should be incentivizing them to backstab each other, since they're both in a good position to have a VP and area-control lead in the mid-game.

IH did ask you about the deal, he asked if you'd be in conflict over Mansa 3, I don't know if you responded to him or not.

To be fair, you haven't done anything to me but you could have negotiated with IH yourself.

I'd blame time difference as I've tried to keep an open dialogue with you as much as possible. We don't have to expand further and it's all dependent on objectives isn't it. As its early game I had no dispute with IH as to systems and didn't think he'd want to fight on this side of the galaxy.

If I missed speaking to you about things it was not my intention.

[Tattersail_]

For everyone's clarity when D'rek pointed out I had to destroy a spacedock I PM'd Blend to see if I can retract that secondary action.

[Galactic Council]

For the sake of clarity, given Tatts did not know that he couldn't build more than 3 space docks, and, having checked with Drek to ensure that his removing the activation of the Construction secondary from his move wouldn't have affected her move, I've allowed Tatts to walk back that activation.

Going forward, I would like it to be clear to everyone that all ships, PDS, and Space Docks are limited to those on your player cards on the map. The only things that are infinite are FIGHTERS and INFANTRY. Everything else has a limit.

I will not allow any further walking back of building over your limits. Future such actions will require you to destroy one.

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 02 August 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

For the sake of clarity, given Tatts did not know that he couldn't build more than 3 space docks, and, having checked with Drek to ensure that his removing the activation of the Construction secondary from his move wouldn't have affected her move, I've allowed Tatts to walk back that activation.

Going forward, I would like it to be clear to everyone that all ships, PDS, and Space Docks are limited to those on your player cards on the map. The only things that are infinite are FIGHTERS and INFANTRY. Everything else has a limit.

I will not allow any further walking back of building over your limits. Future such actions will require you to destroy one.

I think a couple players are missing their 6th PDS in their reinforcements pool, though.

edit: and 5th dreadnoughts

[Galactic Council]

D, on 02 August 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 02 August 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

For the sake of clarity, given Tatts did not know that he couldn't build more than 3 space docks, and, having checked with Drek to ensure that his removing the activation of the Construction secondary from his move wouldn't have affected her move, I've allowed Tatts to walk back that activation.

Going forward, I would like it to be clear to everyone that all ships, PDS, and Space Docks are limited to those on your player cards on the map. The only things that are infinite are FIGHTERS and INFANTRY. Everything else has a limit.

I will not allow any further walking back of building over your limits. Future such actions will require you to destroy one.

I think a couple players are missing their 6th PDS in their reinforcements pool, though.

edit: and 5th dreadnoughts

That's possible. I will double-check all that when I do my map update this evening.

[Gnaw]

D, on 02 August 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

After you and Gnaw are done with Twelve or whatever are you going to say "Well, Gnaw's fleet has to go *somewhere* so I might as well give him Thibah" ?

For the record, Gnaw’s fleet is going to move around to build a VERY nice turtle shell.

[Imperial Historian]

Wow d'rek you know the usual response to these things is to say hey IH you know if you try and take mansa we are going to have a problem don't make that deal with Tatts instead of waiting so my only option is a fight with you.

Well if morgoth makes a good offer (and the price has just gone down) guess I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships.

I know you accused khell of being a warmonger but definitely seems to be the other way round!

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Wow d'rek you know the usual response to these things is to say hey IH you know if you try and take mansa we are going to have a problem don't make that deal with Tatts instead of waiting so my only option is a fight with you.

Well if morgoth makes a good offer (and the price has just gone down) guess I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships.

I know you accused khell of being a warmonger but definitely seems to be the other way round!

I haven't attacked anyone. You say "I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships" and I'm the warmonger?

Well, if you do I guess I can't do much to stop it. But you do realize Arborec are a race that get progressively stronger the longer they are left untouched, right? And you do see that Morgoth has more VP than you, while I'm still at 0?

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 02 August 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

Trouble in paradise!

Yeah D'rek make Tatts pay for trying to double team me.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 02 August 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Wow d'rek you know the usual response to these things is to say hey IH you know if you try and take mansa we are going to have a problem don't make that deal with Tatts instead of waiting so my only option is a fight with you.

Well if morgoth makes a good offer (and the price has just gone down) guess I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships.

I know you accused khell of being a warmonger but definitely seems to be the other way round!

I haven't attacked anyone. You say "I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships" and I'm the warmonger?

Well, if you do I guess I can't do much to stop it. But you do realize Arborec are a race that get progressively stronger the longer they are left untouched, right? And you do see that Morgoth has more VP than you, while I'm still at 0?

I am aware. But I'm also aware I need victory points and you have just stepped in the way of me taking 4 planets to gain said VP, whilst fully aware that I had made a deal with tatts and was going to take it. You can play innocent all you want d'rek but I don't think anyone is buying it.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 02 August 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 02 August 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

Trouble in paradise!

Yeah D'rek make Tatts pay for trying to double team me.

Haha, it doesn't work like that. Tatts and I disagreed on the interpretation of (only one of) our prior agreement, but that's all rectified now and even if it weren't it would hardly give me a reason to outright betray him.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Wow d'rek you know the usual response to these things is to say hey IH you know if you try and take mansa we are going to have a problem don't make that deal with Tatts instead of waiting so my only option is a fight with you.

Well if morgoth makes a good offer (and the price has just gone down) guess I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships.

I know you accused khell of being a warmonger but definitely seems to be the other way round!

I haven't attacked anyone. You say "I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships" and I'm the warmonger?

Well, if you do I guess I can't do much to stop it. But you do realize Arborec are a race that get progressively stronger the longer they are left untouched, right? And you do see that Morgoth has more VP than you, while I'm still at 0?

I am aware. But I'm also aware I need victory points and you have just stepped in the way of me taking 4 planets to gain said VP, whilst fully aware that I had made a deal with tatts and was going to take it. You can play innocent all you want d'rek but I don't think anyone is buying it.

I did try to intercede in said "deal" beforehand, but was ignored.

Also, I hardly consider it a deal. Tatts was just giving it to you for free, and letting me take the likely repercussions. If he cares so much about giving you VP, he can give you his Support for the Throne instead.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Wow d'rek you know the usual response to these things is to say hey IH you know if you try and take mansa we are going to have a problem don't make that deal with Tatts instead of waiting so my only option is a fight with you.

Well if morgoth makes a good offer (and the price has just gone down) guess I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships.

I know you accused khell of being a warmonger but definitely seems to be the other way round!

I haven't attacked anyone. You say "I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships" and I'm the warmonger?

Well, if you do I guess I can't do much to stop it. But you do realize Arborec are a race that get progressively stronger the longer they are left untouched, right? And you do see that Morgoth has more VP than you, while I'm still at 0?

I am aware. But I'm also aware I need victory points and you have just stepped in the way of me taking 4 planets to gain said VP, whilst fully aware that I had made a deal with tatts and was going to take it. You can play innocent all you want d'rek but I don't think anyone is buying it.

Should have taken my deal for 2 vp after all.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 02 August 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Wow d'rek you know the usual response to these things is to say hey IH you know if you try and take mansa we are going to have a problem don't make that deal with Tatts instead of waiting so my only option is a fight with you.

Well if morgoth makes a good offer (and the price has just gone down) guess I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships.

I know you accused khell of being a warmonger but definitely seems to be the other way round!

I haven't attacked anyone. You say "I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships" and I'm the warmonger?

Well, if you do I guess I can't do much to stop it. But you do realize Arborec are a race that get progressively stronger the longer they are left untouched, right? And you do see that Morgoth has more VP than you, while I'm still at 0?

I am aware. But I'm also aware I need victory points and you have just stepped in the way of me taking 4 planets to gain said VP, whilst fully aware that I had made a deal with tatts and was going to take it. You can play innocent all you want d'rek but I don't think anyone is buying it.

Should have taken my deal for 2 vp after all.

He really should have.

He's also taken LEADERSHIP 3 times and still not fulfilled Lead from the Front?! o.O

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 02 August 2018 - 04:10 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 August 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Wow d'rek you know the usual response to these things is to say hey IH you know if you try and take mansa we are going to have a problem don't make that deal with Tatts instead of waiting so my only option is a fight with you.

Well if morgoth makes a good offer (and the price has just gone down) guess I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships.

I know you accused khell of being a warmonger but definitely seems to be the other way round!

I haven't attacked anyone. You say "I'm going to come over there and take some of your stuff and kill some of your ships" and I'm the warmonger?

Well, if you do I guess I can't do much to stop it. But you do realize Arborec are a race that get progressively stronger the longer they are left untouched, right? And you do see that Morgoth has more VP than you, while I'm still at 0?

I am aware. But I'm also aware I need victory points and you have just stepped in the way of me taking 4 planets to gain said VP, whilst fully aware that I had made a deal with tatts and was going to take it. You can play innocent all you want d'rek but I don't think anyone is buying it.

I did try to intercede in said "deal" beforehand, but was ignored.

Also, I hardly consider it a deal. Tatts was just giving it to you for free, and letting me take the likely repercussions. If he cares so much about giving you VP, he can give you his Support for the Throne instead.

What repercussions? I mean if you were worried I was going to attack you have just made that significantly more likely rather than less likely, so you are trying to achieve what exactly?

[Gnaw]

IH, if my destroyer was out of the way could you reach Daemon this round?

[twelve]

IH is setting himself up to be points leader between a vice grip of two races that are hard to fight back against.