[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 02 August 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

What about putting a dock on Thibah and building there instead of Sakulag?

I've already posted my move, but that dock increases that system to 7 units and Thibah would be only 3.

3 Dreads and 4 fighters or some variant compared to just 3 dreads.

Ah. Okey then.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

@Tapper it'll be interesting to see how you use Fleet Logistics. It'll either eat up your CT's quite quickly and the round will end for you, or you use AC's and abilities linked together.

Its use is entirely optional

[Gnaw]

Tapper, on 02 August 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

@Tapper it'll be interesting to see how you use Fleet Logistics. It'll either eat up your CT's quite quickly and the round will end for you, or you use AC's and abilities linked together.

Its use is entirely optional

It’s primary use is giving Khell heartburn, no?

[Tapper]

Gnaw, on 02 August 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

Tapper, on 02 August 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

@Tapper it'll be interesting to see how you use Fleet Logistics. It'll either eat up your CT's quite quickly and the round will end for you, or you use AC's and abilities linked together.

Its use is entirely optional

It’s primary use is giving Khell heartburn, no?

I would say that Khell (if by "Khell" we mean his space port and Mecatol Rex) is pretty safe from me up until the point where I have built dreads and raised my fleet cap back to a decent level. If by Khell you mean all those vacated planets he says he doesn't care about, you may be right, but if he doesn't care about them, me snapping them up shouldn't give him heartburn, yeah?

I am still considering all possibilities it might offer, but considering how much my defenses depend on infantry I am a little afraid of someone researching X89 and using it against me.
FL is a good counter: if someone uses X89, I can always Orbital Drop twice in reply and still have 4 infantry ready before they can invade.

[Khellendros]

Indeed it does not. Happy double actioning.

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 01 August 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

It'll be interesting to see how I fare once the vultures take over all my systems. I never really got how this part of the Saar game was supposed to work. Guess we'll find out.

I am not sure if you're actually supposed to discard planets, Khell (not that I complain, because it is to my advantage...).

Based on all of 0 minutes playing them ( ), I think the TG is just a minor bonus and the power of the Saar is instead in area control and production.
Imho, you can gather yourself a larger sphere of influence than most players while positioning your docks in your strategic places of need rather than having to B-line for a planet with decent production, and produce while doing so.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

Construction secondary - Spend 1SCT and place a space docks on Lazar[/size]

You already have 3 space docks built, so this will destroy one of your other docks.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 02 August 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

Construction secondary - Spend 1SCT and place a space docks on Lazar[/size]

You already have 3 space docks built, so this will destroy one of your other docks.

Ah, I was going for loads of space docks, didn't know they were capped oops. How many PDS's can you build?

Should I post in game thread which one to destroy? I'd have to destroy the one on Hercant.


Edit, does it say anywhere what all the caps are? How many Dreads can I build? 5 in total?

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 02 August 2018 - 01:32 PM

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

Construction secondary - Spend 1SCT and place a space docks on Lazar[/size]

You already have 3 space docks built, so this will destroy one of your other docks.

Ah, I was going for loads of space docks, didn't know they were capped oops. How many PDS's can you build?

Should I post in game thread which one to destroy? I'd have to destroy the one on Hercant.


Edit, does it say anywhere what all the caps are? How many Dreads can I build? 5 in total?

3 space docks
6 PDS
8 destroyer
8 cruiser
5 dreadnought
3 carrier
2 war sun
1 flagship

[D'rek]

So here's the thing... not too long ago Tatts, we discussed transferring Mansa III from you to me after you were done with it. Then you started offering it to IH, seemingly for very little or nothing in exchange. And twice now when I've questioned it and indicated I wasn't necessarily comfortable with it, it's been ignored. So...

[Tattersail_]

D, on 02 August 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

So here's the thing... not too long ago Tatts, we discussed transferring Mansa III from you to me after you were done with it. Then you started offering it to IH, seemingly for very little or nothing in exchange. And twice now when I've questioned it and indicated I wasn't necessarily comfortable with it, it's been ignored. So...

It was discussed between us and you said I could keep it. I've not ignored you at all.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 08:36 AM, said:

Construction secondary - Spend 1SCT and place a space docks on Lazar[/size]

You already have 3 space docks built, so this will destroy one of your other docks.

Ah, I was going for loads of space docks, didn't know they were capped oops. How many PDS's can you build?

Should I post in game thread which one to destroy? I'd have to destroy the one on Hercant.


Edit, does it say anywhere what all the caps are? How many Dreads can I build? 5 in total?

You can also see the player sheets on the main picture of the map, where you can count how much each player has left.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 31 July 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 31 July 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

So that's everyone with a free refresh then. Tapper remind me never to negotiate a deal with you

Except for Khell, right?

edit: just to make it abundantly clear, Khell has enough trade goods and influence planets to claim the custodians token, fulfill Establish Trade Routes, and park an even bigger fleet than he already has into Mecatol Rex this round. Giving him a free refresh makes that even easier for him to do all of.

What really needs to happen is that he does *not* get a free refresh and Tapper/Nom grab Wellon+Centauri/Gral right away, forcing Khell to spend his trade goods as influence for the custodians token and not the public objective, and also limiting his ability to buy more strategy CTs so he can't start up a second Space Dock or do too many other secondaries.

Ie here I listened to regarding the free refresh

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

So here's the thing... not too long ago Tatts, we discussed transferring Mansa III from you to me after you were done with it. Then you started offering it to IH, seemingly for very little or nothing in exchange. And twice now when I've questioned it and indicated I wasn't necessarily comfortable with it, it's been ignored. So...

It was discussed between us and you said I could keep it. I've not ignored you at all.

The Mansa III bit was tabled for later as I wasn't sure I would absolutely need it and there was a possibility of you keeping it in perpetuum, but that was in the spirit of you keeping and using it. Giving it freely to IH is a whole different story. And both times that I questioned this you did not reply at all.

[Khellendros]

Trouble in paradise!

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 02 August 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 01 August 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

It'll be interesting to see how I fare once the vultures take over all my systems. I never really got how this part of the Saar game was supposed to work. Guess we'll find out.

I am not sure if you're actually supposed to discard planets, Khell (not that I complain, because it is to my advantage...).

Based on all of 0 minutes playing them ( ), I think the TG is just a minor bonus and the power of the Saar is instead in area control and production.
Imho, you can gather yourself a larger sphere of influence than most players while positioning your docks in your strategic places of need rather than having to B-line for a planet with decent production, and produce while doing so.

Yes, that seems to be about right. However, it didn't feel quite in the 'Saar spirit' to me, as much as just wandering about did, so I've gone in a different direction. This game I'm looking to just mess about a bit more than in the previous game, which got quite stressful!

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

D, on 31 July 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 31 July 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

So that's everyone with a free refresh then. Tapper remind me never to negotiate a deal with you

Except for Khell, right?

edit: just to make it abundantly clear, Khell has enough trade goods and influence planets to claim the custodians token, fulfill Establish Trade Routes, and park an even bigger fleet than he already has into Mecatol Rex this round. Giving him a free refresh makes that even easier for him to do all of.

What really needs to happen is that he does *not* get a free refresh and Tapper/Nom grab Wellon+Centauri/Gral right away, forcing Khell to spend his trade goods as influence for the custodians token and not the public objective, and also limiting his ability to buy more strategy CTs so he can't start up a second Space Dock or do too many other secondaries.

Ie here I listened to regarding the free refresh

This has nothing to do with IH and Mansa...?

[Tattersail_]

These were the discussions between IH and myself, where I'd get Mansa 3 back but previosusly to that you confirmed with me that I could keep Mansa, and that you had no interest in it.

Imperial Historian, on 26 July 2018 - 11:12 AM, said:

Pirate treachery! I'd have moved it if you asked.

Tatts that sounds acceptable, you only want me there for one round correct and I don't need to pay anything cos I'm playing leadership when you want? Any limitations on how many forces I bring through?

D'rek you going to be in conflict with me over mansa?

Tattersail_, on 26 July 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 26 July 2018 - 11:12 AM, said:

Pirate treachery! I'd have moved it if you asked.

Tatts that sounds acceptable, you only want me there for one round correct and I don't need to pay anything cos I'm playing leadership when you want? Any limitations on how many forces I bring through?

D'rek you going to be in conflict with me over mansa?

I don't want you there at all but I'm guessing its your next step and thought i'd rather be peaceful with you. Will you move out in round 4?


Well I guess you will want to protect yourself from being ambushed by another player, so I don't mind whatever ships you move there. I think if you only take one infantry i'd be happy but that is up to you.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

D, on 02 August 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

So here's the thing... not too long ago Tatts, we discussed transferring Mansa III from you to me after you were done with it. Then you started offering it to IH, seemingly for very little or nothing in exchange. And twice now when I've questioned it and indicated I wasn't necessarily comfortable with it, it's been ignored. So...

It was discussed between us and you said I could keep it. I've not ignored you at all.

Actually, Tatts, D'rek asked multiple times (with profanity inserted) why you'd invite IH.
You did asnwer that he needed Mansa for a VP, but you never answered to D'rek why this would benefit you.

Although, from the discussion, I think your part of the deal was that you wanted him to withhold Leadership a turn at the start of this round, and you were afraid IH would grab Abyz-Fria.

Basically, you channeled your inner Neville Chamberlain, hmm?

[Galactic Council]

Tattersail_, on 02 August 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

@Tapper it'll be interesting to see how you use Fleet Logistics. It'll either eat up your CT's quite quickly and the round will end for you, or you use AC's and abilities linked together.

He's not required to use it every turn, so he could still just do one action per turn and it wouldn't eat up his CTs any faster. The research is really useful for pairing actions with action cards, as you suggested, though.