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Amazon's new Lord of the Rings TV series New series will be a prequel set in the Second Age

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:53 PM

Peter Jackson in talks to join Amazon LORD OF THE RINGS TV project.

My guess is as producer and maybe writer/director for the first episode (I doubt he wants to commit to another decade or more in Middle-earth, especially after the HOBBIT experience), but it does mean that the new series will likely take place in the movie continuity, might use Weta to do the effects etc.

Also new information: the Tolkien Estate signed a new deal to allow Amazon to move forward with the project, after it turned out it was ambiguous if the 1968 film deal included TV rights. This is massive, the first time the Estate has agreed to sell - or, from the sound of it, loan for two years - new visual adaptation rights to any Tolkien material. This may make them more amenable to leasing the Silmarillion/UT/HOME rights later on if this project works out to their satisfaction.

We also now know that the LotR TV series must enter production by November 2019 at the latest, which tracks with Amazon's plan to get it on air by the end of 2020.

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 06:14 AM

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Nothing happens between The Hobbit and LOTR.
Are we going to watch Frodo grow up and make friends with Sam and eat lots of potatoes and smoke?

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 06:28 AM

Farmer Giles of Ham or NOTHING.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 06:43 AM

View PostGorefest, on 06 April 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

...

Nothing happens between The Hobbit and LOTR.
Are we going to watch Frodo grow up and make friends with Sam and eat lots of potatoes and smoke?


Uhh... There was, like, this Grave Walker guy who couldn't die and was possessed by the elf ghost Calabrimbor. He totally killed a million orcs and forged a new Ring of Power and beat up all the ring wraiths.

All of it canon by the way.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 06:58 AM

Aragorns search for gollum.

Saurumans fall, the rise of the uruk hai (only really touched on in lotr)

Wars in the south with the umbars.

Fall of osgilliath

Consolidation of erebor

The return to moria

There's some canon, but plenty of scope for creation too
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 08:07 AM

View PostAlternative Goose, on 06 April 2018 - 06:43 AM, said:

View PostGorefest, on 06 April 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

...

Nothing happens between The Hobbit and LOTR.
Are we going to watch Frodo grow up and make friends with Sam and eat lots of potatoes and smoke?


Uhh... There was, like, this Grave Walker guy who couldn't die and was possessed by the elf ghost Calabrimbor. He totally killed a million orcs and forged a new Ring of Power and beat up all the ring wraiths.

All of it canon by the way.


my understanding is that the video game universe is separate from the movie universe. Different rights. Its why the movie has wargs and trolls and the game has graugs and some other named thing.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 11:51 AM

View PostMacros, on 06 April 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

The return to moria


And they called it, a mine...

This, oh please, let it be this.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 12:08 PM

And still here I am waiting desperately for Silmarillion. Maybe sometime soon after this? It has the most of Tolkien's awesome worldbuilding, but the sloppy storylines, flat characters and bland dialogue are kept to a minimum. Play to his strengths, I say!
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 12:48 PM

View PostGothos, on 06 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

And still here I am waiting desperately for Silmarillion. Maybe sometime soon after this? It has the most of Tolkien's awesome worldbuilding, but the sloppy storylines, flat characters and bland dialogue are kept to a minimum. Play to his strengths, I say!


The Silmarillion could be fun but it would probably be pretty hard to do. It's just over such a long span of time and there's a lot of characters. Maybe if they picked a few stories and did those, or a new story every season. The special effects budget would be crazy too with all the Balrogs and dragons running around.

Although I just read somewhere today that the new lotr series has a potential 5 season commitment and a possible $1B budget so there's that.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 01:29 PM

Ten episodes of Smaug eating people who try to steal his treasure.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 02:10 PM

View PostGintokian, on 06 April 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

View PostGothos, on 06 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

And still here I am waiting desperately for Silmarillion. Maybe sometime soon after this? It has the most of Tolkien's awesome worldbuilding, but the sloppy storylines, flat characters and bland dialogue are kept to a minimum. Play to his strengths, I say!


The Silmarillion could be fun but it would probably be pretty hard to do. It's just over such a long span of time and there's a lot of characters. Maybe if they picked a few stories and did those, or a new story every season. The special effects budget would be crazy too with all the Balrogs and dragons running around.

Although I just read somewhere today that the new lotr series has a potential 5 season commitment and a possible $1B budget so there's that.


So, the Tolkien Professor, Corey Olsen (great guy, super Tolkien knowledgable!) and his small squad of students have been making a podcast where they essentially make/plan (just talking it out mind you, not with any goal to actually get it made) THE SILMARILLION into a multi-season TV show with a decent budget from the ground up including score, costuming, cast ect. I've listened to most of it, and let me say...where I would have agreed with you before on how hard it might be to do....it's TOTALLY do-able after listening with the right minds in place to make it...and especially do-able with Amazon's money.

Whether they will go back and focus on those things, or things more congruent and side-running to the LOTR and THE HOBBIT remains to be seen.

IF the did the SILMARILLION though...please get Cate Blanchett to return as Galadriel, and show her rejecting Feanor and leading the Noldor across the Helcaraxe....pretty please?! If Ian McKellen said he'd return (oh gods...just imagine them showing his Valinor-age relationship with Nienna? Heartbreaking), then why not Galadriel, considering at like 80,000 years old by LOTR she's the second oldest elf in Middle Earth.

Always, I have hopes they do SILMARILLION era stuff....it's such a rich tapestry. Hell, just the Elvish battles against Morgoth are worthy....to say nothing of the Children of Hurin.

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 02:26 PM

View PostAbyss, on 06 April 2018 - 01:29 PM, said:

Ten episodes of Smaug eating people who try to steal his treasure.


I'd watch that.

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View PostGintokian, on 06 April 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

View PostGothos, on 06 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

And still here I am waiting desperately for Silmarillion. Maybe sometime soon after this? It has the most of Tolkien's awesome worldbuilding, but the sloppy storylines, flat characters and bland dialogue are kept to a minimum. Play to his strengths, I say!


The Silmarillion could be fun but it would probably be pretty hard to do. It's just over such a long span of time and there's a lot of characters. Maybe if they picked a few stories and did those, or a new story every season. The special effects budget would be crazy too with all the Balrogs and dragons running around.

Although I just read somewhere today that the new lotr series has a potential 5 season commitment and a possible $1B budget so there's that.


So, the Tolkien Professor, Corey Olsen (great guy, super Tolkien knowledgable!) and his small squad of students have been making a podcast where they essentially make/plan (just talking it out mind you, not with any goal to actually get it made) THE SILMARILLION into a multi-season TV show with a decent budget from the ground up including score, costuming, cast ect. I've listened to most of it, and let me say...where I would have agreed with you before on how hard it might be to do....it's TOTALLY do-able after listening with the right minds in place to make it...and especially do-able with Amazon's money.

Whether they will go back and focus on those things, or things more congruent and side-running to the LOTR and THE HOBBIT remains to be seen.

IF the did the SILMARILLION though...please get Cate Blanchett to return as Galadriel, and show her rejecting Feanor and leading the Noldor across the Helcaraxe....pretty please?! If Ian McKellen said he'd return (oh gods...just imagine them showing his Valinor-age relationship with Nienna? Heartbreaking), then why not Galadriel, considering at like 80,000 years old by LOTR she's the second oldest elf in Middle Earth.

Always, I have hopes they do SILMARILLION era stuff....it's such a rich tapestry. Hell, just the Elvish battles against Morgoth are worthy....to say nothing of the Children of Hurin.


I think they're planning on doing lotr/the hobbit era stuff for this upcoming series but if it ends up doing well maybe they'll have the confidence to spend the time & money into making a good Silmarillion series. If the new series does go on for 5 seasons they'll have plenty of time to plan something good for a Silmarillion one.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 08:51 PM

View PostGothos, on 06 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

And still here I am waiting desperately for Silmarillion. Maybe sometime soon after this? It has the most of Tolkien's awesome worldbuilding, but the sloppy storylines, flat characters and bland dialogue are kept to a minimum. Play to his strengths, I say!


The simarilliin? It's unreadable garbage
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 09:08 PM

View PostCause, on 06 April 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostGothos, on 06 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

And still here I am waiting desperately for Silmarillion. Maybe sometime soon after this? It has the most of Tolkien's awesome worldbuilding, but the sloppy storylines, flat characters and bland dialogue are kept to a minimum. Play to his strengths, I say!


The simarilliin? It's unreadable garbage


Itís certainly a different kind of read. I myself didnít get much past the halfway point before I set it down but I can see where others would like it especially if they more of a Ring fan then myself.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 09:18 PM

They should do brand synergy and make The SilmarMinions.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 10:02 PM

Until the Tolkien Estate grants rights for The Silmarillion (which is beautiful, shutup Cause) or Unifinished Tales, nobody's getting anything from there. Maybe they'll relent this time around, who knows.
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Posted 06 April 2018 - 10:17 PM

They did just sell the rights to lotr to amazon for $250M so who knows what they'll do if amazon throws enough money at them
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Posted 07 April 2018 - 06:59 AM

Anybody but Peter Jackson. The world does not need more hangover vomit from greedy hypocritical fanboys.
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Posted 07 April 2018 - 07:09 AM

View Postnacht, on 07 April 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

Anybody but Peter Jackson. The world does not need more hangover vomit from greedy hypocritical fanboys.


There are rumours that he's going to be an executive producer but I don't think anything's confirmed yet.
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Posted 07 April 2018 - 07:17 AM

As long as he gets heavily stuck in and insists they run without a script or planning, make shit up on the fly and trample all over my childhood memories it's all good
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