[Tattersail_]

All that tech that Khell and Twelve have! Very jealous.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 23 April 2018 - 07:20 PM, said:

All that tech that Khell and Twelve have! Very jealous.

I started with the most and doubled up on the first tech because of my racial ability but damn was it expensive. Guaranteed I'm not spending 6 every round and a ct just so I get 2 tech.

[twelve]

We just waiting on Nico right?

[Nicodimas]

I’m here ...brb

[D'rek]

Well your new public objective is:

Diversify Research -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 2 technologies in each of 2 colors.


I'll need a couple hours to get the remaining action cards sent out and update the map. If action cards won't affect your decision, feel free to start claiming strategy cards.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 23 April 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 23 April 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

D, on 23 April 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

If you want to think about it thematically, all those command tokens you spent on actions throughout the action phase was you spending government time and bureaucratic resources into... well, just running your government. Updating star charts, planning fleet movements, appointing civil servants, delivering health care, whatever. Basic empire operations.

You know who's impressed by that? Nobody.

To ordinary Space Joe living on Jord, that's just the status quo. The economy might be booming and Joe might be happy about that, he might even be patriotically proud that there's a new Dreadnought fleet or whatever, but it's not far outside the daily norm. And if ordinary Space Joe on Jord isn't all that impressed, then ordinary Space J'ork in the Sardakk empire sure isn't going to be impressed by the daily bureaucracy of some humans running their own affairs.

But what if for one month the Jord don't just run their ordinary government, but also heavily invest their empire's government resources into grand displays of their superiority? Huge government boons are given out, a new program brings every elementary school classroom on a free trip through the Quann wormhole and back aboard a Dreadnought, Jordian celebrities are sent to perform Space Rock concerts in every other empire, all foreign embassies have their staff tripled, the government gets Space Coke to make a sensational "I want to buy the galaxy a coke" ad campaign that goes more viral than the Nekro, etc. THAT gets the attention of ordinary Space J'ork. THAT gets people thinking "Oh, maybe President Khell would make a good Emperor. Maybe the Jord could be the next Lazax."

VP represent your legitimacy to become Emperor of the entire Galaxy. You can't just use CTs normally like you would any ol' day and like how everyone else is using them and get VP for them. You have to *waste* them on frivolous affairs that boost your prestige.

Likewise for Erect a Monument - you can't just build some ships and get 1 VP of prestige, you need to *waste* 8 resources on building a five-million-mile-wide novelty Space Erection to showcase how awesome you are if you want to get points.

So winning the game comes down to crashing your economy and politics in order to save up enough to make grandiose but ultimately empty purchases?

I mean, sure, that might be true to life, but if so it makes the experience of winning feel like it would be somewhat shallow right now.

And yeah, I know that not all VPs are status phase purchases (or at least I hope that not all public objectives are), and I'm probably making too big a deal of this, but even so, this comes as my first disappointment with the game mechanics so far.

You can only get one objective/vp per turn, so it's not like someone can really afford to lose 3 CT's on any given turn because it weakens you a lot. If it was me giving them up right now I'd manage 1 maybe 2 turns next round but i'd be ripe for invasion from anyone really.

Apart from anything D'rek mentioned already, in a race to 11 VP most of us will need to pass (at the least) 3 phase 1 and 3 phase 2 objectives, plus assorted stuff from elsewhere (agenda's, secret objectives, PNs, etc).

That more or less means that 75% of us will at some point pay 3 CTs and/or 8 resources. The timetable for 'when' this is best done may differ, but it mostly is a 'when', not an 'if'. As such, it is not so much shooting yourself in the foot while running a marathon, but rather more like paying an upkeep cost to keep level/pull ahead.

As an observation: few of us raised our fleet caps or went past 2 in Tactical actions. At some point, your home system is going to be full of ships with no excess fleet capacity, and you can't really move them on due to lack of tokens. So what are you going to spend production on?

[Nicodimas]

Tapper, on 23 April 2018 - 08:47 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 23 April 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 23 April 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

D, on 23 April 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

If you want to think about it thematically, all those command tokens you spent on actions throughout the action phase was you spending government time and bureaucratic resources into... well, just running your government. Updating star charts, planning fleet movements, appointing civil servants, delivering health care, whatever. Basic empire operations.

You know who's impressed by that? Nobody.

To ordinary Space Joe living on Jord, that's just the status quo. The economy might be booming and Joe might be happy about that, he might even be patriotically proud that there's a new Dreadnought fleet or whatever, but it's not far outside the daily norm. And if ordinary Space Joe on Jord isn't all that impressed, then ordinary Space J'ork in the Sardakk empire sure isn't going to be impressed by the daily bureaucracy of some humans running their own affairs.

But what if for one month the Jord don't just run their ordinary government, but also heavily invest their empire's government resources into grand displays of their superiority? Huge government boons are given out, a new program brings every elementary school classroom on a free trip through the Quann wormhole and back aboard a Dreadnought, Jordian celebrities are sent to perform Space Rock concerts in every other empire, all foreign embassies have their staff tripled, the government gets Space Coke to make a sensational "I want to buy the galaxy a coke" ad campaign that goes more viral than the Nekro, etc. THAT gets the attention of ordinary Space J'ork. THAT gets people thinking "Oh, maybe President Khell would make a good Emperor. Maybe the Jord could be the next Lazax."

VP represent your legitimacy to become Emperor of the entire Galaxy. You can't just use CTs normally like you would any ol' day and like how everyone else is using them and get VP for them. You have to *waste* them on frivolous affairs that boost your prestige.

Likewise for Erect a Monument - you can't just build some ships and get 1 VP of prestige, you need to *waste* 8 resources on building a five-million-mile-wide novelty Space Erection to showcase how awesome you are if you want to get points.

So winning the game comes down to crashing your economy and politics in order to save up enough to make grandiose but ultimately empty purchases?

I mean, sure, that might be true to life, but if so it makes the experience of winning feel like it would be somewhat shallow right now.

And yeah, I know that not all VPs are status phase purchases (or at least I hope that not all public objectives are), and I'm probably making too big a deal of this, but even so, this comes as my first disappointment with the game mechanics so far.

You can only get one objective/vp per turn, so it's not like someone can really afford to lose 3 CT's on any given turn because it weakens you a lot. If it was me giving them up right now I'd manage 1 maybe 2 turns next round but i'd be ripe for invasion from anyone really.

Apart from anything D'rek mentioned already, in a race to 11 VP most of us will need to pass (at the least) 3 phase 1 and 3 phase 2 objectives, plus assorted stuff from elsewhere (agenda's, secret objectives, PNs, etc).

That more or less means that 75% of us will at some point pay 3 CTs and/or 8 resources. The timetable for 'when' this is best done may differ, but it mostly is a 'when', not an 'if'. As such, it is not so much shooting yourself in the foot while running a marathon, but rather more like paying an upkeep cost to keep level/pull ahead.

As an observation: few of us raised our fleet caps or went past 2 in Tactical actions. At some point, your home system is going to be full of ships with no excess fleet capacity, and you can't really move them on due to lack of tokens. So what are you going to spend production on?

Hopeful here...that wee see a tons of politics ! That will make for a fun game.. way more exciting. Game changer

[Blend]

Just so I am being transparent - I asked D'rek if I could redistribute my tokens from Status Phase, and she said that I could go ahead. So I now have 1S, 3F, 2T.

[Khellendros]

D, on 23 April 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Well your new public objective is:

Diversify Research -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 2 technologies in each of 2 colors.


I'll need a couple hours to get the remaining action cards sent out and update the map. If action cards won't affect your decision, feel free to start claiming strategy cards.

So wait, how is this a status phase VP?

[Tattersail_]

It's also a tough one. You need minimum 8 techs.

[Imperial Historian]

Is this not 4 techs, khell already qualifies doesn't he?

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 23 April 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

D, on 23 April 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Well your new public objective is:

Diversify Research -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 2 technologies in each of 2 colors.


I'll need a couple hours to get the remaining action cards sent out and update the map. If action cards won't affect your decision, feel free to start claiming strategy cards.

So wait, how is this a status phase VP?

Because of initiative.

If Gnaw and you both got to the required techs and were on 10vp then Gnaw would acquire this VP before you in the status phase as he has 0 initiative.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 23 April 2018 - 10:12 PM, said:

Is this not 4 techs, khell already qualifies doesn't he?

2 techs in each colour. 4 colours, red green yellow and blue.

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 23 April 2018 - 10:14 PM

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 23 April 2018 - 10:14 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 23 April 2018 - 10:12 PM, said:

Is this not 4 techs, khell already qualifies doesn't he?

2 techs in each colour. 4 colours, red green yellow and blue.

I still need 3 tech to get this one. A red, blue and a green. Brutality expensive for anyone other than the university and expensive for me if I want to get it in 2 rounds which I already know I wont.

[Imperial Historian]

I read 2 techs in each of 2 colours as 4 techs 2 of 2 different colour's, so two green two blue would count. Am I missing something, 8 techs would be 2 of 4 colours surely.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 23 April 2018 - 10:35 PM, said:

I read 2 techs in each of 2 colours as 4 techs 2 of 2 different colour's, so two green two blue would count. Am I missing something, 8 techs would be 2 of 4 colours surely.

Funny I had originally read it as 2 techs of each color but you're right it says 2 of 2 colors. That means 4 techs across two colors, which means a couple people will most likely be claiming this one come next round.

[twelve]

Blend, on 23 April 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 23 April 2018 - 10:35 PM, said:

I read 2 techs in each of 2 colours as 4 techs 2 of 2 different colour's, so two green two blue would count. Am I missing something, 8 techs would be 2 of 4 colours surely.

Funny I had originally read it as 2 techs of each color but you're right it says 2 of 2 colors. That means 4 techs across two colors, which means a couple people will most likely be claiming this one come next round.

Same. Totally misread that the first 2 times I read it.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 23 April 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

D, on 23 April 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Well your new public objective is:

Diversify Research -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 2 technologies in each of 2 colors.


I'll need a couple hours to get the remaining action cards sent out and update the map. If action cards won't affect your decision, feel free to start claiming strategy cards.

So wait, how is this a status phase VP?

Mister speaker, have you figured out which strategy you are taking yet?

[Gnaw]

I suspect Mr. Speaker is in bed. Damn time zones.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 23 April 2018 - 10:13 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 23 April 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

D, on 23 April 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Well your new public objective is:

Diversify Research -- 1VP -- Status Phase -- Own 2 technologies in each of 2 colors.


I'll need a couple hours to get the remaining action cards sent out and update the map. If action cards won't affect your decision, feel free to start claiming strategy cards.

So wait, how is this a status phase VP?

Because of initiative.

If Gnaw and you both got to the required techs and were on 10vp then Gnaw would acquire this VP before you in the status phase as he has 0 initiative.

Yup. Furthermore, you can only claim 1 public objective in each status phase, so someone who qualifies for this objective might choose to claim a different objective and defer claiming this one to the next round.