[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2018 - 06:58 PM, said:

D, on 28 April 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

@Tatts:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

Trade 2:2 commodities with Blend.
Trade 2:2 commodities with Twelve.

Impossible. You only have 1 commodity (and 5 TGs) at the start of your turn.

Blend agreed to change it to 2:2

You started the round with [ 1/4 C | 0 TG ]

On your second turn you used TRADE and received 3 TGs plus 3 commodities. [ 4/4 C | 3 TG ]

Then Nico pillaged you [ 4/4 C | 2 TG ]

On Blend's 3rd turn he traded 1:1 with you [ 3/4 C | 3 TG ]

On Twelve's 3rd turn he traded 2:2 with you [ 1/4 C | 5 TG ]

Now you are saying that on your 3rd turn you're doing ANOTHER 2:2 trade, twice, [ -3/4 C | 9 TG ] but you only have 1/4 C. You do not have 4 commodities to trade away, you only have 1.

[Tattersail_]

I'm saying on Blend turn 3 he trades 2:2 with me.

That'd make it right.

(He thought I waa offering 1:1 but I was offering 2:2

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 28 April 2018 - 07:30 PM

[twelve]

Nicodimas, on 28 April 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 April 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Ih Khell played leadership, do you not want to gain back command tokens with your influence?

I completely missed that, whoops I'd set aside 3 influence for it too, anyone mind a retcon?

I hadn't actually specified Silvano as a dnz in my provisional, drek did that not sure why, but if I could have done that I would have!

Not sure what to do given the new directives. Twelve you still willing to support me on a directive?

Which directive? Currently I'm going to vote for Qucen'n for the disarmament and against the Swords so all my planets aren't completely undefended. If you feel strongly about anything else let me know and I probably can be convinced to vote for you for a price.

Actually I think I may have changed my mind on the Swords agenda. I need to talk to the mod to see if what I want to do is viable.

@12 express if you would like me vote a certain way

I would like to know what people are thinking on each of the agendas first to get an idea of if I need to start trying to bribe others to vote a certain way. I'm clearly the player with the most at risk on these agendas so I would like to know where people's heads are at. Do you have any thoughts on either one of them?

[Gnaw]

D, on 28 April 2018 - 06:42 PM, said:

Simplest retcon/fix would be to fix the planets that got readied from DIPLOMACY and then you'll have to research a different tech since you can't afford Hyper Metabolism.

Didn’t someone copy that research?

[Gnaw]

I am very definitely against swords to plowshares. Will be voting all mine that way.
Don’t give a crap about the other one.

[Blend]

Yeah, I will likely be sticking all of my Influence into voting AGAINST Swords to Ploughshares.

[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 28 April 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

D, on 28 April 2018 - 06:42 PM, said:

Simplest retcon/fix would be to fix the planets that got readied from DIPLOMACY and then you'll have to research a different tech since you can't afford Hyper Metabolism.

Didn’t someone copy that research?

Twelve and IH both researched it. Blend copied it from Twelve via a promissory note.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 28 April 2018 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 April 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

Well yes I did but thought I couldn't. I was quite pleased when you did thought I'd misunderstood the rule.

Which it seems I have with Silvano, hmm nowhere near as valuable as I'd thought!

So I'm one resource short if I exhaust the 1/2 planet in my home system? With the retcon to diplomacy ability I'd have been able to refresh gwynan instead of that planet correct? That would give me 3 extra resources so I'd be ok right?

We're not re-conning the diplomacy ability. Just might house-rule it starting next round since it seems kinda lame... but let's wait and see what everyone else thinks before deciding. Either way, your usage of it should have been as-written this round.

Ok if I'd known that I couldn't exhaust Silvano for green and resources I'd have used diplomacy on gwynan, and used 4 (torcan and retillion) instead of 5 resources to build a carrier and 2 infantry. Leaving me 4 resources and sylvan to research hypermetabolism.

I realise I've screwed up here but I'd appreciate a pass here as my entire game plan was focused on getting hypermetabolism early.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 28 April 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

D, on 28 April 2018 - 06:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 April 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

Well yes I did but thought I couldn't. I was quite pleased when you did thought I'd misunderstood the rule.

Which it seems I have with Silvano, hmm nowhere near as valuable as I'd thought!

So I'm one resource short if I exhaust the 1/2 planet in my home system? With the retcon to diplomacy ability I'd have been able to refresh gwynan instead of that planet correct? That would give me 3 extra resources so I'd be ok right?

We're not re-conning the diplomacy ability. Just might house-rule it starting next round since it seems kinda lame... but let's wait and see what everyone else thinks before deciding. Either way, your usage of it should have been as-written this round.

Ok if I'd known that I couldn't exhaust Silvano for green and resources I'd have used diplomacy on gwynan, and used 4 (torcan and retillion) instead of 5 resources to build a carrier and 2 infantry. Leaving me 4 resources and sylvan to research hypermetabolism.

I realise I've screwed up here but I'd appreciate a pass here as my entire game plan was focused on getting hypermetabolism early.

Alright, well let's hear from everyone else their thoughts. Especially Nico and Blend since they easily could've chosen to attack an unprotected Silvano if it weren't DMZ'd.

Another alternative is that we undo your WARFARE secondary build, so then you DO have the resources to research Hypermetabolism while following DIPLOMACY and the prerequisite rules as-written... and then now instead of your PASS you can do a tactical in your home system to build with whatever resources you have left. Ends up being the same set of actions, using the same amount of CTs, just re-ordered a bit.

[Blend]

I have no issues with it, it wouldn't have changed my planned actions at all.

[twelve]

I'm okay with dreks suggested modificatiin

[Imperial Historian]

Ok that's fine with me.

[Nicodimas]

I’m okay with it

[Gnaw]

D, on 28 April 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

@ItGnaw - two turns ago when you used LOGISTICS you didn't increase your strategy pool count from 2S to 3S (because you put the CT taken off the board via LOGISTICS there), so you should actually be at 2/3/1 right now, not 2/3/0.

Oh. That’s nice.

[Nicodimas]

Gnaw, on 28 April 2018 - 11:20 PM, said:

D, on 28 April 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

@ItGnaw - two turns ago when you used LOGISTICS you didn't increase your strategy pool count from 2S to 3S (because you put the CT taken off the board via LOGISTICS there), so you should actually be at 2/3/1 right now, not 2/3/0.

Oh. That’s nice.

Yar did that happen to me too, free strategy allllll round

[Gnaw]

I wouldn’t have minded the construction secondary but better than not noticing it at all.

[Khellendros]

Bloody hell you guys have talked a lot today.

@ Blend: I'm sure the time will come when I will refresh, there was just nothing in it for me this round. I gave you that PN for a measly trade good and an AC - you don't think I would at least choose when it gets used?

As for the agendas, I'm yet to consider them properly. I do have quite a bit of influence to wield now however...

[Blend]

Khellendros, on 29 April 2018 - 02:02 AM, said:

Bloody hell you guys have talked a lot today.

@ Blend: I'm sure the time will come when I will refresh, there was just nothing in it for me this round. I gave you that PN for a measly trade good and an AC - you don't think I would at least choose when it gets used?

As for the agendas, I'm yet to consider them properly. I do have quite a bit of influence to wield now however...

I mean, that is fine. I figured you would rather get it out of the way now if you didn't need the commodities anyway, rather than in the future when you might actually need them. Now if you want me to hold back it will cost you.

[Tapper]

I will prettify my post when on a PC.

With regards to the Diplomacy: leave it as is. We can always house-rule it in a second game, after seeing the effect a whole game in action.

Thematically, it makes sense to have the Primary focused on one system: the one the player just grabbed.

With planets safely divided, the economic value of the refresh diminishes maybe even a bit more compared to the Secondary, but the immunity aspect of the Primary gets stronger, and it will gain even more power for people who unlock Fleet Logistics (2 actions on the same turn): move and invade, play Diplo.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 28 April 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 April 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

twelve, on 28 April 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

Ih Khell played leadership, do you not want to gain back command tokens with your influence?

I completely missed that, whoops I'd set aside 3 influence for it too, anyone mind a retcon?

I hadn't actually specified Silvano as a dnz in my provisional, drek did that not sure why, but if I could have done that I would have!

Not sure what to do given the new directives. Twelve you still willing to support me on a directive?

Which directive? Currently I'm going to vote for Qucen'n for the disarmament and against the Swords so all my planets aren't completely undefended. If you feel strongly about anything else let me know and I probably can be convinced to vote for you for a price.

Actually I think I may have changed my mind on the Swords agenda. I need to talk to the mod to see if what I want to do is viable.

@12 express if you would like me vote a certain way

I would like to know what people are thinking on each of the agendas first to get an idea of if I need to start trying to bribe others to vote a certain way. I'm clearly the player with the most at risk on these agendas so I would like to know where people's heads are at. Do you have any thoughts on either one of them?

Does that not play into morgoths hands with his racial ability?

That said I'm against swords into plowshares and will probably vote against compensated disarmament or for one of my own planets. I could be convinced to voting for another planet, mecatol rex for example would make things interesting but that would be more of a benefit to you, morgoth and nico.

Wishing I'd known agendas could change as I'm guessing we'd have both been a lot more specific in our deal if we had!