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Posted 14 January 2018 - 09:13 AM

They rescued the baby.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 09:22 AM

View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

They rescued the baby.


There was a baby?
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:37 PM

View PostAbyss, on 14 January 2018 - 04:25 AM, said:

I donít care what issues anyone had with the book, if you didnít get the feels when Skar figured out how to huff Stormlight, you are cold and dead inside.


This is what I hinted at about the thing I loved about part 2. The Bridge 4 POV chapters, especially Rock's. I loved these chapters even though they didn't do much to move the story forward. I imagine those who hated the pace of Oathbringer probably didn't enjoy these.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 03:53 PM

Moash... back on a bridge crew. Sort of. A Parshendi bridge crew no less. Oh, that IS irony.

Yasnah putting down Amaran... 'yo momma spent her pregnancy banging soldiers in hopes something would stick to you'..... daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 03:53 PM

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View PostTattersail_, on 14 January 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

They rescued the baby.


There was a baby?


You mean the baby chasm fiend, right?
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 04:35 PM

Are you listening to the audiobook? They pronounce Jasnah with a Y?
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 05:02 PM

View PostEnd of Disc One, on 15 January 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

Are you listening to the audiobook? They pronounce Jasnah with a Y?


Some Dutch pronounce J as Y. I thought it nuts when I was 1st made aware of it many moons ago. I have really good international friend in NED from our Corvette club and her name is Joke which sounds like Yoka

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:48 PM

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View PostEnd of Disc One, on 15 January 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

Are you listening to the audiobook? They pronounce Jasnah with a Y?


Some Dutch pronounce J as Y. I thought it nuts when I was 1st made aware of it many moons ago. I have really good international friend in NED from our Corvette club and her name is Joke which sounds like Yoka


The two (excellent) earbook readers have very slightly different pronunciations of the name, and I perpetually forget the proper spelling of most of the names in this series.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 03:30 PM

Renarin finds goodies!




Moash really cannot catch a break. Now the head spren/fused/voidbringer likes him.




And then, Odium. Damn, dude is one mustache twirl short of being Unicron. The reveal about the Night Watcher and Dalinar.... that is VERY interesting.




Fun fact... Michael Kramer has narrated the male half of all of the Cosmere related earbooks to date. So the voice he uses for some of the chapter opener quotes is telling... even tho the actual quotes aren't attributed, it's the exact voice he used for Sazed... who happened to become god at the end of the first Mistborn trilo. The quotes themselves really hint at who the speaker is, but with the voice I'm pretty certain of it.




Said it before. will say it again... The Diagram is one of the most clever/original creations in fantasy lit in a long time. I loved the interlude with Taravangien having one of his genius days.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 03:43 PM

View PostAbyss, on 12 January 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

I was grinning ear to ear listening to that scene.


Ah, you're listening to the book! I was freaking out wondering why the hell you were misspelling so many names, but it totally makes sense if you aren't seeing the actual words as you read them! :)
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 06:39 PM

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View PostAbyss, on 12 January 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

I was grinning ear to ear listening to that scene.


Ah, you're listening to the book! I was freaking out wondering why the hell you were misspelling so many names, but it totally makes sense if you aren't seeing the actual words as you read them! :)


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Onwords...


Ok, Dalinar, getting stabbed thru the chest is definitely an effective diplomacy technique.

Whoa... shit is fucked in Kolinar.

Look at Dalinar with all the diplomacy power-ups... that's a twist fort a guy who was all about the stabby.

Ah Adolin... "i took us to someone i trust absolutely... my tailor." Heh. I laughed.
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 03:17 PM

End Part 3....

Wow. That went ugly for the goodguys. For a minute there i thought i had finished the book, was massively relieved to see i'm just about halfway.

Am enjoying the chapter opener quotes from the memory gems Renarin found. Really fun world-building technique that.

DALINAR - It's sad that the Rift deal was just a ploy... i was really happy for a minute there when he seemed to negotiate the surrender/alliance.
Fighting his way out of that ambush was impressive. 'The walk home was just one more battle for the Thrill'. Dude is hardcore.
Dalinar having lunch with Lift while the Azish debate the alliance was one of those perfect little side moments Brandon manages to nail again and again in most things he writes.
Aw... for a kinute there the whole alliance thing was looking so nice and cooperative and Dalinar was al happy and then his stupid memories had to come crashing back and fuck him all up.


It was clear early on that he killed Evi, but exactly how that went down... i can't quite decide about this part. As a starting point the fact that large chunks of the Rift city were built on wood and vulnerable to fire was fairly silly. I get it, they had a wall, and the 'city on stilts' trope is hardly novel, but even so, when they started rolling barrels of oil down onto the city a part of me was rolling my eyes. Then the Evi thing... i'll have to think about that one... 'how could you know, you killed our messengers' ..geez dude, maybe you could have had one shout really loud from out of bow range or something? ...it's not ruining the plotline for me, i'm really enjoying Dalinar's story, flashbacks and al, but something about the denoument here felt a bit contrived.


That said, between the memories and the apparent failure at Kholinar, i am VERY curious to see what happens to Dalinar next because he is in a dark dark place just when the alliance is coming together.




SHALLAN - Yay, Shallan's sidekicks are becoming Squires!!! I was hoping that wasn't just a Windrunner thing.
I'm a little split on Shallan's identity issues. It's a good plotline, that flows logically from the character's story to date and the power she got, but parts of it started to feel repetitious.
That said i still enjoy Veil's capers quite a bit. Still, hopefully her conversation with Wit will move things along.


KALADIN - Of course Kal needs something to whine about each book... his running inner monologue about the Light Eyes Are Awful No They're Just People Too starts to feel trite after his experience with the Parshmen.
I enjoyed him joining the Wall Guard and steadily taking over. Azure was an interesting mystery... the 'broken' Shardblade, the soldier-woman thing and how it messes with the Alethi...
The flying fight with the Fused during the raid was pretty awesome.
I liked when he just sat down at dinner and started quizzing Azure while all the other soldiers freaked out.


ADOLIN - still fun. I liked his friendship with Skar and Drehy.
His apology to his sword was a nice touch.


ELHOKAR - I'm not going to say it was particularly subtle, but the various POVs of King Elhokar becoming competent were enjoyable, in a predictable/solid way....


All of which takes us to that last action sequence when they try to take the palace and open the Oathgate...


Damn.




DAAAAAMMMMMNNN.




That was. INTENSE.


I mean, it shouldn't be a surprise, Brandon can nail a large scale action sequence, but i really really liked how this played out,...


....with one exception - Kal finding himself right smack in the middle of his Wall gaurd squad and old Parshmen friends was just a leeeetle too conveeeeeeeeenient. I see why it happened, it made sense, but involved entirely too many pieces coming together just just so. For plot purposes i get it, but it built on Kal's whine-du-jour and that just leaves me annoyed. Didn't detract from my enjoyment of the entire sequence, but i wish it had gone down a little differently...


That aside.... that last action sequence... from Adolin and Elhokar charging the doors to the messy fight in and through the palace... that was intense. I liked the little moments of Adolin trying to instruct the soldiers on how to support shardbearers without getting killed by accident, and the other moments where the shardbearers had to step back and let ordinary soldiers fight and die because shards just aren't effective weapons all the time.
Then Shalan confronts the Unmade and it... runs away? Oh, we are fucked and getting fuckedier here people...
Meanwhile, Kal and Elhokar's fight up the stairs, confronting the Queen/Unmade, rescuing Elhokars' son, and then things just going wholly sideways... and then Holy FUCKSTARS THE KING IS GOING RADIANT MOVE KAL MOVE YOUR ASS WAIT IS THAT MOASH OH SHIT IS HE HOLY FUCK HE JUST DID THAT AHHHHHHH HEY SKAR AND DREHY TO THE RESCUE YAY OPEN THE DAMN OATHGATE SHALLAN WAIT DON'T OH FUCKIT OPEN IT BOOM.


...i love when Brandon smacks the reader with that kind of big action series of fantasy candy events. it's not so much the surprise as the way one thing just happens right on top of the next and you can't quite process each event before another happens and then another and next thing you know it's 50 pages later and you cant decide whether to reread what just happened or push forwards (pro-tip... when you get the earbook and the ebook you can do both! :) ).




...and they're in Sprenland. Cue Azure: "I hate this place.". Heh. I like her.


Suspect Azure and that guy Dalinar gets drunk with in the flashback are Heralds. The cloths-washer/art thief lady caught by Merise too.


Vahwatserface the Parshman Odium has on a speaker's circuit isn't that interesting but her secret pet spren definitely is.




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Posted 23 January 2018 - 04:12 PM

I agree about Shallan's multiple personality stuff being repetitive. That's my only real complaint with the book, and the fact that this page time could have been devoted to other characters. Glad you're enjoying it!

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 04:53 PM

Venli = Parshwoman

Kolinar was a slogfest with some thankful Wit bits.

There was one Shallan bit in part 3 which made me pause and set Slogbringer down then and almost every time I would see Patternís picture after. Shallan went through all her personalities in one paragraph and I just snapped. I hate this character so much. I hate being beat over the head that she has mental health issues. I get it Brandon.

Kaladin becomes a complete bitch with the snap of a finger and destroys any respect I started to give him in this book.

Of course Elokar was gonna die. Kudos to BS for making it cool though.

Dalinar was as always fun to read.

Glad your enjoying it. I look forward to certain things in your future.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 05:15 PM

View PostBriar King, on 23 January 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

Venli = Parshwoman


Yeah, her. And she made the point that gender is meaningless unless they're in mating form.
...the pervs.

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Kolinar was a slogfest with some thankful Wit bits.


Really? All of it? The Fused raids? The attack at the end???

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There was one Shallan bit in part 3 which made me pause and set Slogbringer down then and almost every time I would see Pattern's picture after. Shallan went through all her personalities in one paragraph and I just snapped. I hate this character so much. I hate being beat over the head that she has mental health issues. I get it Brandon.


Kaladin becomes a complete bitch with the snap of a finger and destroys any respect I started to give him in this book.


We dislike the same things, i just don't dislike them nearly as much as you did.

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Of course Elokar was gonna die. Kudos to BS for making it cool though.


Yeah, it was a classic case of building a supporting character up so their death has impact, but done very effectively i thought.
That moment when Kal sees him kneeling there, clutching Shallan's picture, starting to say the Radiant words... and then spear in the head... was brutal.

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Dalinar was as always fun to read.


Yep.

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Glad your enjoying it. I look forward to certain things in your future.


We will speak of this again, i'm certain :)

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'Most disappointing' even tho there were parts you seem to have enjoyed?
Ok, price for enjoyment level, i get the disappointment... it's not a cheap book. I didn't even pay for Tigana and i regret the time i'll never have back, but even so... 'most'?




...anyways don't you have some BACHELOR reddit threads to post to or something...
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 05:35 PM

I think I can easily say most yeah, the hype was so high to. Sure I liked some parts but over all I was crying inside.
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:09 PM

I feel like Slothbringer works slightly better than Slogbringer
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:41 PM

View PostEnd of Disc One, on 23 January 2018 - 06:09 PM, said:

I feel like Slothbringer works slightly better than Slogbringer


But there's no 'Sloth-of-Sloths!' in fantasy lit!
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 04:45 AM

Chapter ninetysomething....
Oh, we are in deep cosmere territory here...
Szeth just drew Nightblood and did something that read a lot like the colour magic from WARBREAKER.
Azure's hair is changing colour, and she's a world walker... WARBREAKER again. I'm going to laugh if she turns out to be Viv or Siri.
Azure, Adolin, and Kal all had the same sword teacher. Who may be another worldwalker.
...neat.
Also, holy crap the Skybreakers are way way ahead of the rest of the Radiants combined.
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Posted 24 January 2018 - 04:57 PM

Huh... with Natal gone post Edgedancer, I wonder if Brandon is setting up Szeth to take over the Skybreakers. That plus Nightblood would make for a major status shift for the character.

Also, Nightblood gets great lines.
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