[Eldat Pressen]

I am absolutely lost. This is due to the fact that my normal method of looking for scum is based on sifting through what people have been saying and looking for contradictions in behavior pointing at extra knowledge. And that's not really feasible this game, given the paucity of posting.

That being said, here is my list of players, from least to most suspicious.

1) Jalan
2) Hanas
3) Tennes
4) Ay

I'll try to articulate why once I get to work.

[Jalan]

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Ruse, Okaros and Skintick are all of modkills? As far as I remember they all strike me as ones who would have time to post atleast once a day if they were scum, so I think it's relatively safe to assume that most likely both scum are alive, that gives us the option to look at connections between us and look for possible pairings

Of those, the only one who struck me as potentially scummy while they were alive was Skintick. They kept popping up with short posts commenting on things but not actually contributing. Until they stopped doing even that, anyway.

[Jalan]

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Good question is why are Jalan and Eldat still alive?

Would both scum play as similar games as Hanas and Tennes have played? But then one of scum might have been modkilled, it's not particularly likely tho.

I have also been wondering why I am still alive. Either I have been on completely the wrong track all game, or alternatively am so correct in my current suspicions (which are obvious) that it's feared that my death might point even more towards Hanas.

Eldat, why do you feel it's not Hanas?

[Tennes]

Tennes, on 18 December 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

So going off of the day 4 vote trains. Jalan attempts to drive a lynch on Hanas. Is then joined by Eldat and Ay. That is why I don't think that Hanas is scum. Eldat is willing to leave Hanas and come and vote for Ayes. Jalan mean while was on and wouldn't vote fore Ayes. Looking back there was no way that a lynch was going to happen as even if all of the active players had bothered to vote the same way there wasn't enough of us to get a lynch. Still I find it interesting that Jalan wouldn't vote for Ayes.

Path-Shaper, on 12 December 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 11 hours and 56 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Okaros, Osseric, Ruse, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
1 Vote for Hanas ( Jalan )
Players not voted: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Okaros, Osseric, Ruse, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan

Path-Shaper, on 12 December 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 4 hours and 9 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Okaros, Osseric, Ruse, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
2 Votes for Hanas ( Jalan, Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Jalan ( Thyrllan )
Players not voted: Ay Estos, Hanas, Okaros, Osseric, Ruse, Skintick, Tennes

Path-Shaper, on 13 December 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 12 hours and 14 minutes since time out
10 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Okaros, Osseric, Ruse, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
3 Votes for Hanas ( Jalan, Eldat Pressen, Ay Estos )
2 Votes for Jalan ( Thyrllan, Tennes )
Players not voted: Hanas, Okaros, Osseric, Ruse, SkintickDay times out without a lynch.Ruse has been modkilled for inactivity.

Path-Shaper, on 14 December 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 11 hours and 40 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Okaros, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.
3 Votes for Hanas ( Ay Estos, Jalan, Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Eldat Pressen ( Tennes )
Players not voted: Hanas, Okaros, Skintick, Thyrllan

Path-Shaper, on 14 December 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 7 hours and 20 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Okaros, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.
2 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Tennes, Thyrllan )
2 Votes for Hanas ( Ay Estos, Jalan )
Players not voted: Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Okaros, Skintick

Path-Shaper, on 14 December 2017 - 07:49 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 7 hours and 8 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Okaros, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.
2 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Tennes, Thyrllan )
2 Votes for Hanas ( Ay Estos, Jalan )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Hanas
)Players not voted: Eldat Pressen, Okaros, SkintickJust as an FYI - I've been a little lax on the modkill timer. I *will* be modkilling anyone who hasn't posted during Day 5 at the end of this day cycle.

Path-Shaper, on 15 December 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 16 hours and 2 minutes since time out
8 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Okaros, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan
5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.
2 Votes for Hanas ( Ay Estos, Jalan )
1 Vote for Eldat Pressen ( Thyrllan )
3 Votes for Ay Estos ( Hanas, Tennes, Eldat Pressen )
Players not voted: Okaros, SkintickDay times out without a lynch.Skintick and Okaros have both been modkilled for inactivity.

[Eldat Pressen]

Jalan, on 19 December 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Good question is why are Jalan and Eldat still alive?

Would both scum play as similar games as Hanas and Tennes have played? But then one of scum might have been modkilled, it's not particularly likely tho.

I have also been wondering why I am still alive. Either I have been on completely the wrong track all game, or alternatively am so correct in my current suspicions (which are obvious) that it's feared that my death might point even more towards Hanas.

Eldat, why do you feel it's not Hanas?

Their lack of concern over a train 2 days ago makes it less likely they are scum in my eyes. It's entirely possible they're just that cool under pressure, but that's how I see it right now. Other than that, Hanas and Tennes are fairly similar (with Tennes being slightly more assertive) in their semi-regular thread presence but little actual pushing (until the last few RL days)

[Tennes]

Jalan, on 19 December 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Ruse, Okaros and Skintick are all of modkills? As far as I remember they all strike me as ones who would have time to post atleast once a day if they were scum, so I think it's relatively safe to assume that most likely both scum are alive, that gives us the option to look at connections between us and look for possible pairings

Of those, the only one who struck me as potentially scummy while they were alive was Skintick. They kept popping up with short posts commenting on things but not actually contributing. Until they stopped doing even that, anyway.

So you have no scum radar. Well if you are scum that would make sense. Right now I am leaning toward you and Ays as scum.

I don't see Hanas as scum. I think that Ays is your likely partner but I can't discount Eldat completely.

[Tennes]

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 12:05 PM, said:

Thyrllan's n1 suspect was Eldat before he was modkilled, Eldat's switch from Hanas to dunno what yet is interesting as well
Even in this game we're not gonna miss the lynch are we? (Are we?!) So, scum cannot count on affecting the game in a way that makes us less likely to get a lynch through but they'd want to lynch someone of their choice to ensure their victory. And the train on Hanas hadn't gone so well last day...

Neither did the train on you. You had as many votes at one time as Hanas did.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 6 hours and 7 minutes remaining

5 Players still alive: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Tennes

3 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Hanas, Jalan, Tennes

[Jalan]

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Jalan, on 19 December 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Good question is why are Jalan and Eldat still alive?

Would both scum play as similar games as Hanas and Tennes have played? But then one of scum might have been modkilled, it's not particularly likely tho.

I have also been wondering why I am still alive. Either I have been on completely the wrong track all game, or alternatively am so correct in my current suspicions (which are obvious) that it's feared that my death might point even more towards Hanas.

Eldat, why do you feel it's not Hanas?

Their lack of concern over a train 2 days ago makes it less likely they are scum in my eyes. It's entirely possible they're just that cool under pressure, but that's how I see it right now. Other than that, Hanas and Tennes are fairly similar (with Tennes being slightly more assertive) in their semi-regular thread presence but little actual pushing (until the last few RL days)

See, I see that 'lack of concern' as 'lack of helpfulness', or willingness to contribute in any meaningful way to town play. Out of those still alive, they are the ones to have helped town the least (by posting anything substantial - even back when they were posting more often, by giving opinions on others', by not voting, etc.).

[Jalan]

Tennes, on 19 December 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Jalan, on 19 December 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Ruse, Okaros and Skintick are all of modkills? As far as I remember they all strike me as ones who would have time to post atleast once a day if they were scum, so I think it's relatively safe to assume that most likely both scum are alive, that gives us the option to look at connections between us and look for possible pairings

Of those, the only one who struck me as potentially scummy while they were alive was Skintick. They kept popping up with short posts commenting on things but not actually contributing. Until they stopped doing even that, anyway.

So you have no scum radar. Well if you are scum that would make sense. Right now I am leaning toward you and Ays as scum.

I don't see Hanas as scum. I think that Ays is your likely partner but I can't discount Eldat completely.

I don't understand what you're referring to when you say, 'so you have no scum radar'. Ay's post invited opinions as to whether any of the modkills could have been scum. I only see Skintick as possible scum out of those - but it's not my top thought on scum.

[Eldat Pressen]

Jalan, on 19 December 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

Jalan, on 19 December 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Good question is why are Jalan and Eldat still alive?

Would both scum play as similar games as Hanas and Tennes have played? But then one of scum might have been modkilled, it's not particularly likely tho.

I have also been wondering why I am still alive. Either I have been on completely the wrong track all game, or alternatively am so correct in my current suspicions (which are obvious) that it's feared that my death might point even more towards Hanas.

Eldat, why do you feel it's not Hanas?

Their lack of concern over a train 2 days ago makes it less likely they are scum in my eyes. It's entirely possible they're just that cool under pressure, but that's how I see it right now. Other than that, Hanas and Tennes are fairly similar (with Tennes being slightly more assertive) in their semi-regular thread presence but little actual pushing (until the last few RL days)

See, I see that 'lack of concern' as 'lack of helpfulness', or willingness to contribute in any meaningful way to town play. Out of those still alive, they are the ones to have helped town the least (by posting anything substantial - even back when they were posting more often, by giving opinions on others', by not voting, etc.).

And I'm not disagreeing that they've been unhelpful. But so was Ay, going by that standard- actually, Ay was even worse, because they have (whether deliberately or not) helped to stall 2 lynches in a row.

[Ay Estos]

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

I am absolutely lost. This is due to the fact that my normal method of looking for scum is based on sifting through what people have been saying and looking for contradictions in behavior pointing at extra knowledge. And that's not really feasible this game, given the paucity of posting.

That being said, here is my list of players, from least to most suspicious.

1) Jalan
2) Hanas
3) Tennes
4) Ay

I'll try to articulate why once I get to work.

What a coincidence that the person who ended up with the most votes on last day is the one you find the most scummy now

That being said I'm nowhere near convinced that you're scum, especially as I've been able to follow your logic really well so far

I'm not sure what to think of your seeming frustration, if it was an acted ploy you'd be prone to escalate it when people would seem not to notice it or atleast not mention it, which kinda fits

Jalan has given very little away, so between the two of you this more about whether I find you scummy or not than what I think about Jalan, the two of you are just likely not partners and one of you is keeping the other around so that they're not the only contributing person alive - which is also a reason why I think one of you is scum

I'll more or less be on until EoD

[Ay Estos]

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

The two of you are just likely not partners and one of you is keeping the other around so that they're not the only contributing person alive - which is also a reason why I think one of you is scum

Yeah, at this point I don't want to vote anywhere else but one of you

[Eldat Pressen]

No case is strong at this point. With you, it's a bunch of little things. You did a very drive-by vote on Day 1. I'm still trying to figure out if you quoting Tennes in that vote is significant or not.

Then there were the 2 instances of voting "shenanigans" . It's not much, but it's more suspicious things that I can recall about anyone else still alive.

[Ay Estos]

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

No case is strong at this point. With you, it's a bunch of little things. You did a very drive-by vote on Day 1. I'm still trying to figure out if you quoting Tennes in that vote is significant or not.

Then there were the 2 instances of voting "shenanigans" . It's not much, but it's more suspicious things that I can recall about anyone else still alive.

Yeah and look where the shenanigans got me, perfect scum play right?

[Ay Estos]

Your focus on my gaping mistakes is what makes me want to vote Jalan, for the sake of these mistakes being caused by carelessness, whereas Jalan has played a really focused and clean game

Interesting thing about Jalan - he keeps excusing his absence and saying when he will and when he won't be active despite being the second most active player

[Eldat Pressen]

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

No case is strong at this point. With you, it's a bunch of little things. You did a very drive-by vote on Day 1. I'm still trying to figure out if you quoting Tennes in that vote is significant or not.

Then there were the 2 instances of voting "shenanigans" . It's not much, but it's more suspicious things that I can recall about anyone else still alive.

Yeah and look where the shenanigans got me, perfect scum play right?

You are alive, on D-day. I'd say you're doin all right (if scum)

Your latest arguments including wifom ala "why is X still alive?" isn't leading us anywhere productive. Trying to "second-guess" scum's NK actions at this point is not going to provide any conclusive proof of anything.

[Eldat Pressen]

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Your focus on my gaping mistakes is what makes me want to vote Jalan, for the sake of these mistakes being caused by carelessness, whereas Jalan has played a really focused and clean game

Interesting thing about Jalan - he keeps excusing his absence and saying when he will and when he won't be active despite being the second most active player

I can understand your argument, but playing a clean game is not scummy in itself. I often play like Jalan does, regardless of whether I'm inno or scum (and as inno I get the same accusations of "playing too clean"), so I have a hard time taking that argument seriously. Especially in a game like this, where no one really tried to apply any pressure on anyone that'd have led people to play a "less clean" game

[Ay Estos]

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

No case is strong at this point. With you, it's a bunch of little things. You did a very drive-by vote on Day 1. I'm still trying to figure out if you quoting Tennes in that vote is significant or not.

Then there were the 2 instances of voting "shenanigans" . It's not much, but it's more suspicious things that I can recall about anyone else still alive.

Yeah and look where the shenanigans got me, perfect scum play right?

You are alive, on D-day. I'd say you're doin all right (if scum)

Your latest arguments including wifom ala "why is X still alive?" isn't leading us anywhere productive. Trying to "second-guess" scum's NK actions at this point is not going to provide any conclusive proof of anything.

I get you don't want to get into wifom, but

People who actually post and in turn motivate others to post are detrimental to scum. Then there is likely some reason why Thyrllan was killed at the time when all town roles are either dead or used up? Thyrllan was very little active and was nearly modkilled on I bet multiple occasions. If you or Jalan were killed then we'd be asking the other why is everyone who was vocal dead but not you? The way it is this argument doesn't point to any one of you in particular.

[Jalan]

Ay Estos, on 19 December 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 19 December 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

I am absolutely lost. This is due to the fact that my normal method of looking for scum is based on sifting through what people have been saying and looking for contradictions in behavior pointing at extra knowledge. And that's not really feasible this game, given the paucity of posting.

That being said, here is my list of players, from least to most suspicious.

1) Jalan
2) Hanas
3) Tennes
4) Ay

I'll try to articulate why once I get to work.

What a coincidence that the person who ended up with the most votes on last day is the one you find the most scummy now

That being said I'm nowhere near convinced that you're scum, especially as I've been able to follow your logic really well so far

I'm not sure what to think of your seeming frustration, if it was an acted ploy you'd be prone to escalate it when people would seem not to notice it or atleast not mention it, which kinda fits

Jalan has given very little away, so between the two of you this more about whether I find you scummy or not than what I think about Jalan, the two of you are just likely not partners and one of you is keeping the other around so that they're not the only contributing person alive - which is also a reason why I think one of you is scum

I'll more or less be on until EoD

What exactly is it that you would like me to give away?