[Fanderay]

Okaros, on 05 December 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 05 December 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

If Ruse isn't even going to show up, I'd prefer a lynch over a modkill

Remove Vote

Vote Ruse

It's day 1 - risk is low, weak signal case is weak. Barely half of the players have been participating, the other half has been quiet. Since being targeted, Fandy's play doesn't strike me as scummy. I'll switch to get a lynch if we need to, but I am less convinced than I was, for various reasons

As RI, I can't think of a better play than lynching Ruse, assuming he doesn't show

Is it me or is the dumbest thing ever. Okay maybe not dumbest, but up there non the less.

What part of Ara's post is the dumbest thing ever and why?

[Jalan]

Sorry for not being around most of the day, here now and reading up.

[Fanderay]

Anomandaris, on 05 December 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 05 December 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

Well Ano, it's not looking good for me so I want to get this on thread for humor sake, and I know it doesn't fit your parameters, but oh well.

Anomandaris, on 05 December 2017 - 06:19 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 05 December 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 December 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Why would two players use the same wording? The second player signalling the first is most obvious. On purpose or misdirection? Needs to be tested.

Yawning is an often used expression at the beginning of our games, but I couldn't fault you for doing so, honestly.

Can I get an example, same game, day 1, two people yawning?

For the sake of time I'll just show the previous games where "yawn" was used.

Game 146.5
Game 144
Game 141.5
Game 139.5
Game 127
Game 114
Game 111
Game 103
Game 100

That's 10 games since D'rek's mindfuck Game 100. I'm not disagreeing with you. On day 1, we don't have much to go on, and trying to pick up an attempted signal in a symp game is a great tactic, but this isn't the case. Yawn is generically used.

I'm not suggesting the word isn't used. I'm suggesting that although it may be used multiple players wouldn't use it. Can I ask why you removed vote from Jalan? Something they did?

I voted for Jalan during the time when everyone goofs off on day 1, so I removed it when I felt it was time to attempt to get serious.

[Osseric]

Fanderay, on 05 December 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Okaros, on 05 December 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 05 December 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

If Ruse isn't even going to show up, I'd prefer a lynch over a modkill

Remove Vote

Vote Ruse

It's day 1 - risk is low, weak signal case is weak. Barely half of the players have been participating, the other half has been quiet. Since being targeted, Fandy's play doesn't strike me as scummy. I'll switch to get a lynch if we need to, but I am less convinced than I was, for various reasons

As RI, I can't think of a better play than lynching Ruse, assuming he doesn't show

Is it me or is the dumbest thing ever. Okay maybe not dumbest, but up there non the less.

What part of Ara's post is the dumbest thing ever and why?

It feels like a desperate deflection from the train running on you. Especially since Aranatha tries to make a point of saying they're RI, which seriously no one does on Day One.

Vote Fanderay


I thought it was you and Skintick, but it's really feeling like you and Aranatha.

[Fanderay]

Osseric, on 05 December 2017 - 11:59 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 05 December 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Okaros, on 05 December 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 05 December 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

If Ruse isn't even going to show up, I'd prefer a lynch over a modkill

Remove Vote

Vote Ruse

It's day 1 - risk is low, weak signal case is weak. Barely half of the players have been participating, the other half has been quiet. Since being targeted, Fandy's play doesn't strike me as scummy. I'll switch to get a lynch if we need to, but I am less convinced than I was, for various reasons

As RI, I can't think of a better play than lynching Ruse, assuming he doesn't show

Is it me or is the dumbest thing ever. Okay maybe not dumbest, but up there non the less.

What part of Ara's post is the dumbest thing ever and why?

It feels like a desperate deflection from the train running on you. Especially since Aranatha tries to make a point of saying they're RI, which seriously no one does on Day One.

Vote Fanderay


I thought it was you and Skintick, but it's really feeling like you and Aranatha.

It's a case with no defense, so fair enough. I can't do much about someone yawning. It's that time where there's nothing else to be said or done. However, I wanted to at least try to help town, but it is what it is.

[Fanderay]

Merrid, on 05 December 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

And isn't the point of signaling to be subtle, trying to only catch the eye of the intended recipient? There is an awful lot of debate and activity over a relatively straightforward case. Why?

Why? It's called playing Mafia. This whole yawn thing is far from a straightforward case. I was tired and posted and no one else had posted in almost 2 hours, so I post a yawn to portray my boredom at the time. Posting yawn is common, very common, as I've shown. What EP posted later has nothing to do with me.

Show me a game where a symp signalled in such a blatant, stupid way. The worst case scenario for me, for town, is that it's a fake signal designed to get a townie lynched, but I'm not buying it.

How can any serious mafia player believe that EP tried to signal me by posting yawn on day 1 less than 10 hours after my post.

Merrid, on 05 December 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 05 December 2017 - 08:43 PM, said:

Does the search function and actually point out all pages that use the word? I wasn't too sure on that.

I mean, at the end of the day, you're gonna make a case out of coincidence. If Fandy is actually scum, we'll have a hilarious new comma-gate (yawn-gate?)

If not, once you then lynch me and get 4 (or maybe 5) inno CFs, let's not forget to look back on who was trying so hard to make nothing a thing, mmmkay?

I doubt you are important enough to mandate a lynch of you tomorrow. No need to be crafting the trains for the next few days.

You doubt EP should be lynched? You claim he has signalled me, but you want to let him live? If I'm lynched and come back inno, why wouldn't EP be on your radar? If you believe so firmly in your case then EP would have to be a symp, fake symping me to get a townie lynched.

I don't understand your thought process here. This is the scummiest thought I've come across so far, and you were the one to initialize this case to begin with. Now you object to people thinking about the game. Instead, you'd have them forget everything and focus only on your case.

In case I die, I wanted to leave something behind. I'd prefer to vote Merrid, but I'll vote Ruse in hopes it forces him to show up. If he does, I'd prefer Merrid, then Okaros.

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Vote Ruse

[Jalan]

Why not just vote Merrid straight away?

Fandy has been quite calm and helpful ever since they were put on the chopping block.

[Jalan]

I think I like an Aranatha vote, but I'm not going to get that lynch so I will be voting for Fanderay. It is very rare that this kind of case actually obtains a positive result for town, but who knows, this could be that one time.

As for Aranatha, their play so far has felt...knowledgeable. They've doubted the Fanderay case and now have come out with an alternate who isn't around to respond or fight back. I don't think they're in cahoots with Fandy, but rather setting them up for a final vote push by coming out with a vote elsewhere and so looking like they're deflecting from Fandy - a defence of sorts, the final nail in the coffin for many a lynch.

I'll be around for a bit, but I think this train is set on Fandy. As I said, there is still potential there for it to be right. It's not what arouses my main suspicions at this moment, but then when have I ever been right anyway.

[Fanderay]

I don't want to lose Ruse to a modkill, because that loses us what is more than most likely town, and modkills don't CF, right?

If we lose Ruse to a modkill, another townie to lynch, and another to a NK, then we start down 3 town.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 51 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Fanderay, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Merrid, Okaros, Osseric, Ruse, Skintick, Tennes, Thyrllan

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ruse ( Aranatha, Fanderay )
1 Vote for Thyrllan ( Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Jalan )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Skintick )
6 Votes for Fanderay ( Merrid, Okaros, Anomandaris, Tennes, Ay Estos, Osseric )

Players not voted: Hanas, Kalse, Ruse, Thyrllan

[Fanderay]

Jalan, on 06 December 2017 - 12:43 AM, said:

I think I like an Aranatha vote, but I'm not going to get that lynch so I will be voting for Fanderay. It is very rare that this kind of case actually obtains a positive result for town, but who knows, this could be that one time.

As for Aranatha, their play so far has felt...knowledgeable. They've doubted the Fanderay case and now have come out with an alternate who isn't around to respond or fight back. I don't think they're in cahoots with Fandy, but rather setting them up for a final vote push by coming out with a vote elsewhere and so looking like they're deflecting from Fandy - a defence of sorts, the final nail in the coffin for many a lynch.

I'll be around for a bit, but I think this train is set on Fandy. As I said, there is still potential there for it to be right. It's not what arouses my main suspicions at this moment, but then when have I ever been right anyway.

It's day 1. I've seen lynches for worse. It's fine. It was bad luck. I only wish there was some way to have stopped town from using tunnel vision and actually vote for someone more potentially scum.

[Hanas]

A Ruse vote serves what purpose? Modkill takes care on its own, unless it is an attempt to simply no-lynch which doesn't really serve either.

I'm not getting this alternative. It seems like voting to vote and trying too hard.

[Fanderay]

No, a no lynch is not preferable, but I'm not going to vote myself. Is that what you are saying I should do?

[Hanas]

No, I'm just curious at the couple of votes on someone who is likely to be modkilled unless I missed Ruse posting somewhere. Doesn't make sense.

[Fanderay]

I hope not. Finding out who the hammer will be is information.

[Eldat Pressen]

remove vote




The Thyr vote was always a joke, though people clearly didn't get it. Ah well




I'll be heading out in about half an hour or so. Gonna

vote Fanderay

because a lynch is better than no-lynch.

There's always a 2/15 chance that Merrid's ridiculous case randomed on a scum.

[Fanderay]

Hanas, on 06 December 2017 - 01:02 AM, said:

No, I'm just curious at the couple of votes on someone who is likely to be modkilled unless I missed Ruse posting somewhere. Doesn't make sense.

We've had this discussion a few times. To lynch a modkill before so, or not. It's nothing new.

[Fanderay]

Eldat Pressen, on 06 December 2017 - 01:04 AM, said:

remove vote




The Thyr vote was always a joke, though people clearly didn't get it. Ah well




I'll be heading out in about half an hour or so. Gonna

vote Fanderay

because a lynch is better than no-lynch.

There's always a 2/15 chance that Merrid's ridiculous case randomed on a scum.

Please look into this guy tomorrow.

[Fanderay]

Remove Vote
Vote EP

Based on his saying the Thyr vote was a joke.

[Jalan]

Off to bed now, don't see much reason to delay this any further. Fingers crossed then.

Remove Vote

Vote Fanderay