[Obdigore]

Spoilers through half the prologue, which is what I got through before work this morning.

Spoiler

Gavilar is an asshole and I'm happy he got assassinated. Sounds like he was one of that group that Amaram (The guy who took the shardplate from Kaladin) was, I forget their name but it sounds like he was trying to bring back the Radiants as well. Screwed up.

[nicetrout]

Haven't read anything yet. Just excited that you started a thread for it, ran out and picked up my copy before work. Will get to it soon.

[Obdigore]

My Kindle says I'm about 30% done with the book, past the first Interludes.

Spoiler

So the VoidBringers are possessed by their ancient ancestors who exist in 'hell' and torture the Oathpact between desolations, and them breaking is the cause of the desolations. That is kind of crazy. I also liked how Kaladin hung out with the unpossessed and was like 'friend, not foe'.

In other news, I'm not happy with Jasnah coming back and Shallan being her 'Ward' again. I kind of liked where Shallan was going and watching her grow. I know Shes going to start impressing Jasnah and throw off that whole Ward thing, but still.

Also, I get this feeling that Jasnah is going to hook up with Kaladin.

[Andorion]

First, this is my theory that I formed before I read Oathbringer:

Adolin will fall. Either he will be exiled and find different paths, or he will go over to the dark side.

Reasons: Adolin will lose everything. All the people he considered his inferiors - bridgemen, his invalid brother, even his female fiancee are Radiants. He is not. Secondly, there is a strong chance that Kaladin and Shallan will kindle something serious. This will cause jealousy and strife. Thirdly, when his murder of Sadeas is exposed, he will lose Dalinar's respect.

Adolin will fall.

Now spoilers for Oathbringer upto the end of chapter 12

Spoiler

Who is the second murderer? Another wildcard in the game.

Syl is utterly hilarious.

Young Dalinar was a very unlikable savage. Kind of like Karsa.

Religious problems on the horizon.

The champion of Odium will be Adolin.

Shit, Dalinar will be blindsided by Taravangian.

I want Jasnah!

[Andorion]

Finished till chapter 34

Spoiler

okkk so I am a bit worried about Shallan.

Her showdown with the unmade was very cool and scary and everything, but she really needs to reconcile her inner contradictions. She is going to end up having Multiple Personality Disorder soon.

The Parshmen are not all changing in the same way. Interesting. And what was that about their ancestors doing the actual leading?
Eshonai is probably not entirely dead.
I wonder what that little tidbit about the island of Origin meant.

I think the principal value of the young Dalinar PoVs is to show why he was so unsuccessful at negotiating. He was an ultraviolent, drunk, maniac. Then he abruptly tried to become the opposite and then started ordering others to do the same. Obviously everyone thinks he is either crazy or a hypocrite.

[Andorion]

Briar King, on 16 November 2017 - 05:23 AM, said:

Not really a spoiler more observation but at ch 13 Oathbringer seems to be BS's most violent and sexual book he has done. Imo anyway.

This book has been good so far!

I don't know about the sexual part BK, Wax and Wayne is a lot more overtly sexual. BS still has the no premarital sex hangup.

[Andorion]

Briar King, on 16 November 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

Possibly. This is just coming off strong for a BS with ch 10

Spoiler

Syl encouragement to Kal to fuck the Ardent girl and then Kal imagining Syl on the headboard offering words of encouragement when he next fucks someone lol

then in ch 13

Spoiler

the whole exchange with Sha and Adolin and Pattern. She seems rather frisky

I still think Safehands are fucking stupid!

There are definitely more sex references.

For the record I think all of Sanderson's gender differentials are strange - man food vs woman food, safehands, males being illiterate - it just seems to be quirkiness for the sake of quirkiness.

[QuickTidal]

Andorion, on 16 November 2017 - 05:29 AM, said:

Briar King, on 16 November 2017 - 05:23 AM, said:

Not really a spoiler more observation but at ch 13 Oathbringer seems to be BS's most violent and sexual book he has done. Imo anyway.

This book has been good so far!

I don't know about the sexual part BK, Wax and Wayne is a lot more overtly sexual. BS still has the no premarital sex hangup.

It's true. And it's funny too...in this one

Spoiler

Navani basically offers Dalinar two scoops and he's like "No, we must be wed first!" and she's like "No one will marry us though cause they think it's weird."...and he's like "Stormfather, if you please..."

LOL

Just so they could get to knocking' boots.

I'm only on Chapter 6 or 7 but I'm enjoying thus far.

And

Spoiler

I won't lie...Kaladin's return home to find his parents and their reunion (and his new little brother) made me emotional.

Is it me, or is Kal getting less broody?

Also, Shallan's inability to draw anything but surrealism right now is interesting and reflected in the sketches.

Oh, and the inner covers of the hardback images. So those are paintings of 4 Heralds right?

If I don't mis my guess they are...

Inside Front Cover 1: Ishar
Inside Front Cover 2: Shalash
Inside Back Cover 3: Jezrien
Inside Back Cover 4: Vedel

Cool, So there should be 6 more including Talenel.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 16 November 2017 - 01:37 PM

[Andorion]

QuickTidal, on 16 November 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

Andorion, on 16 November 2017 - 05:29 AM, said:

Briar King, on 16 November 2017 - 05:23 AM, said:

Not really a spoiler more observation but at ch 13 Oathbringer seems to be BS's most violent and sexual book he has done. Imo anyway.

This book has been good so far!

I don't know about the sexual part BK, Wax and Wayne is a lot more overtly sexual. BS still has the no premarital sex hangup.

It's true. And it's funny too...in this one

Spoiler

Navani basically offers Dalinar two scoops and he's like "No, we must be wed first!" and she's like "No one will marry us though cause they think it's weird."...and he's like "Stormfather, if you please..."

LOL

Just so they could get to knocking' boots.

I'm only on Chapter 6 or 7 but I'm enjoying thus far.

And

Spoiler

I won't lie...Kaladin's return home to find his parents and their reunion (and his new little brother) made me emotional.

Is it me, or is Kal getting less broody?

Also, Shallan's inability to draw anything but surrealism right now is interesting and reflected in the sketches.

Oh, and the inner covers of the hardback images. So those are paintings of 4 Heralds right?

If I don't mis my guess they are...

Inside Front Cover 1: Ishar
Inside Front Cover 2: Shalash
Inside Back Cover 3: Jezrien
Inside Back Cover 4: Vedel

Cool, So there should be 6 more including Talenel.

That Kal scene was great.

Regarding Shallan QT, RAFO. Its important.

[End of Disc One]

I'm probably slightly farther than QT and BK right now. This feels like the start of phase 2 of the series, so it is a little slower than WoR started. But I love the potential it offers and am especially enjoying Dalinar's present day story.

[nicetrout]

Briar King, on 16 November 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

Possibly. This is just coming off strong for a BS with ch 10

Spoiler

Syl encouragement to Kal to fuck the Ardent girl and then Kal imagining Syl on the headboard offering words of encouragement when he next fucks someone lol

then in ch 13

Spoiler

the whole exchange with Sha and Adolin and Pattern. She seems rather frisky

I still think Safehands are fucking stupid!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it was a little weird when Syl was being a weird WingSpren.

[QuickTidal]

Heralds are 5 women and 5 men.

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 17 November 2017 - 03:14 AM, said:

Hmm I’m usually good at recall and yet I can’t recall that at all!

Yeah, me either. Looked it up,today actually. Lol

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 17 November 2017 - 03:34 AM

[End of Disc One]

If you have the hardback, the endpages have 4 heralds on them. Ishi, Shalash, Jezrien, Vedel.

[Andorion]

Briar King, on 18 November 2017 - 02:51 AM, said:

Dammit this book is a beast and a pain in the ass to hold just to skim through! No way these last 20 yrs from now with rereads. I'm so thankful bk 3 stepped up the sturdiness!

Go the ebookway BK. At least for some books. It solves a lot of problems.

[End of Disc One]

For some reason I also read Part 1 more slowly than I expected. I'm not sure if it was me or the book, but it seemed like more dicking around than in WoR. But I'm now in Part 2 and have settled in and am really enjoying it.

[Obdigore]

Welp, I finished it.

Oh the things that have happened.

Spoiler

We see more about Shadesmar, which is cool. We see some new radiants, we see some failures by humans, and we learned the true nature of the voidbringers, and the void that they brung.

But, I think, the most interesting things to happen:
Dalinar is a ghostbuster.
Kaladin can't say the 4th ideal.
Szeth is now sworn to serve Dalinar.
Because the length of the time between desolations, it appears that the humans currently have much better tech than they normally due.
Jasnah is now the King. I mean she was always the king, but now she is the King.
Because Honor is dead, Dalinar is bonding Stormfather super-good or something. I'm still a bit confused there.
Stormfather has 2 siblings, one of whom is sleeping, who are going to get bonded. Giggety.
And, the most important thing IMO,
Renarin is supposed to be dead and is going to be a blind spot for Odium, which makes things really interesting, with his weird mutated spren.

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 18 November 2017 - 02:21 AM, said:

Ugh I have been forced to pull out bk2 and skim sections because I’m drawing HUGE blanks in my recall! I’m not sure why this is. Take Shallan for example:(I’m not tagging this as it’s bk 2 info) I have NO memory of her using Pattern to kill her mother and then later strangling her father! Like wtf is wrong with me? I will also have to reread Adolin killing Sadeas. I remember him doing it but have no recall of the specifics. The Oathgates are another fuzzy area. Sigh I’m incredibily frustrated with myself.

Yeah, the Shallan kills her mother stuff is all in a sort of memory recall sequence, and for whatever reason Sanderson treats it with less reverence than I felt he should. He ALMOST glosses over it.

Adolin killing Sadeas is pretty "of the moment" as Sadeas is basically like "I will never stop messing with things, you can't stop me kid" and Adolin snaps and stabs him through the head. I think we are meant to be seeing Adonis slow and inexorable "fall". I think it's right to assume that HE is/will be the black armoured/nine-shadowed "champion" of Odium.

Briar King, on 18 November 2017 - 02:51 AM, said:

Dammit this book is a beast and a pain in the ass to hold just to skim through! No way these last 20 yrs from now with rereads. I’m so thankful bk 3 stepped up the sturdiness!

It's a pain in the as to just read. It's too big, and heavy. I get annoyed by that to be honest.

Andorion, on 18 November 2017 - 03:27 AM, said:

Briar King, on 18 November 2017 - 02:51 AM, said:

Dammit this book is a beast and a pain in the ass to hold just to skim through! No way these last 20 yrs from now with rereads. I'm so thankful bk 3 stepped up the sturdiness!

Go the ebookway BK. At least for some books. It solves a lot of problems.

Yeah, this is one of those times I wish you could get free eBook copies if you by the hardback.

Briar King, on 20 November 2017 - 03:45 AM, said:

Only just getting to the 1st interlude. I honestly thought I would be reading Oath much faster then I have been.

Anyway I hope it has some Cosmere nuggets I pick up on.

End of Disc One, on 20 November 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

For some reason I also read Part 1 more slowly than I expected. I'm not sure if it was me or the book, but it seemed like more dicking around than in WoR. But I'm now in Part 2 and have settled in and am really enjoying it.

It's not you, I also am reading Part 1 INCREDIBLY slowly. I don't know if that's the subject matter or not? It FEELS slower overall...so it's gotta be the book if three of us are experiencing the dame slowdown...

Anyways, I'm using through as I hope to settle into a groove as well.

[Obdigore]

Oh my god, reading this thread and what you guys are posting after finishing is amazing.

Also ya'all, remember it's a Sanderson door-stop size book.

It starts slow, like you are on a roller coaster getting cranked up the first hill. tchunk tchunk tchunk, then you crest that thing in the first interlude and you're afraid you are going off the rails for the rest of the ride.

This post has been edited by Obdigore: 20 November 2017 - 03:46 PM

[QuickTidal]

Obdigore, on 20 November 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Oh my god, reading this thread and what you guys are posting after finishing is amazing.

Also ya'all, remember it's a Sanderson door-stop size book.

It starts slow, like you are on a roller coaster getting cranked up the first hill. tchunk tchunk tchunk, then you crest that thing in the first interlude and you're afraid you are going off the rails for the rest of the ride.

Good to know!