[Nicodimas]

 amphibian, on 26 April 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

 Alternative Goose, on 26 April 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 26 April 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

Cosby guilty. Faces up to 30 years.

Personally I am not in favor of jail sentences that are that long but in the case of Cosby, that's all good. I hope he dies in prison.

What do you think is an appropriate maximum sentence for multiple sexual assaults? Murder?

I'm not asking in an attacking manner. There's a real conversation to be had in how society punishes something like this.

I suggest a harsher course of action then y'all.

Ill settle with a pain amplifier

https://getyarn.io/y...aa-703bfeff6c76

[Aptorian]

 amphibian, on 26 April 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

 Alternative Goose, on 26 April 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 26 April 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

Cosby guilty. Faces up to 30 years.

Personally I am not in favor of jail sentences that are that long but in the case of Cosby, that's all good. I hope he dies in prison.

What do you think is an appropriate maximum sentence for multiple sexual assaults? Murder?

I'm not asking in an attacking manner. There's a real conversation to be had in how society punishes something like this.

It's a tough question because in some cases, like Cosby, the act was so deliberate, on going and heinous that you just want to throw the person into a pit and forget the person ever existed. There's a sickness there that I don't think can be changed.

But like what Worry mentioned above, prison sentences should be about justice, not karma or revenge. More important, I believe that prison should be about reform and re-education, not punishment. Punishing somebody with a 30 year sentence rather than say a 3 year sentence does not make the crime go away or heal any wounds. That's not what a victim wants to hear but from a societal perspective, it's a waste of time and resources to lock somebody up for 30 years (unless you're running a sweat shop but I hear America has that down).

In terms of crime and punishment, ridiculously long sentences like 30 years for a senior citizen or 500 years or 12 consecutive life sentences, etc. are about sending a signal to the rest of society. Don't rape, murder, kidnap, etc. because the crime is very severe. But that kind of warning doesn't actually work beyond a certain limit. The very hardcore criminals will do their time if they believe the risk is worth it, the urge is pressing enough or their honor/loyalty dictates it. Drug addiction, desperation or anger, will make people do fucked up shit.

In Denmark the maximum prison sentences are typically around 12-16 years. Certain kinds of crime, like murder, drug dealing, arson etc. can get those sentences. That's the maximum amount of years served but in the case of a "life in prison" sentence it can be extended again and again. For crimes that get a life sentence, there is typically a re-evalutation or re-assessement of the persons character and danger to society at the end of such a sentence.

Few people in Denmark ever actually serve so long sentences. Famously a guy who shot 4 cops in the 70s served over 30 years. Peter Madsen, the Uboat killer who's currently making global headlines, will also likely serve the rest of his life in prison.

But the point is that the person being punished is not given up on.

10 years in prison changes a person. Especially for the very young offenders. Think about the kind of person you are now and how you acted and behaved 10 years ago. What you believed about yourself and society. How will you have changed 10 years from now?

If you put a criminal in a productive, creative environment during their sentence and offer them the chance to re-educate themselves, re-evaluate their actions, chances are that this person will be a different person 10 years on. If you just throw them into a pen, tell them their lives are over and they're going to serve 30 years with a thousand other animals, the results are less happy.

In my opinion there should be a constant yearly evaluation of prisoners where they attend counselling sessions and get proper psychological evaluations, so that the prison system gets an idea of the progress the prisoner is making towards actually becoming reformed.

Danish prisons aren't perfect but are generally a lot more open and progressive compared to America's penal system and that makes me grateful. I get no joy out of thinking about people living out their lives in a cell.

That said. In my heart there's also a very conservative part of me that thinks some crimes are actually unforgivable. Unrepentant career criminals, organized crime members, repeat offenders that have killed or raped more than once, etc. These people I think you should just be executed to save money and time but that's just the communist in me. Why waste a prison cell on them.

This post has been edited by Alternative Goose: 27 April 2018 - 06:22 AM

[Primateus]

Point of order. In Denmark, life in prison actually means life in prison. Meaning, you can actually serve out the rest of your life, as I understand it. But like Apt says, there's an evaluation process after 12 years to determine if the convicted can be released on parole. And then again after couple of more years and so on.

The cop killer Apt mentioned was sentenced to life in prison and served 33 years in prison. Life in prison can very well mean you'll get to die in prison. That's just rarely the case.

Then there's psychiatric custody. Whereas life in prison is conditional on the crime committed, custody is about the person being convicted.

[Malankazooie]

Whelp. Tom Brokaw now.

[Adhara]

A woman was gang-raped in Spain and the judges have recently determined that it was no rape because "she did not fight back".
What do they want? Her death in heroic fight?

[worry]

What they want -- from the perps to the judges -- is to treat women how they want, when they want, with no repercussions. If they didn't have that 'excuse' they'd just concoct another one. They don't want a more thorough investigation, or more evidence, or a more perfect victim. They'd prefer -- if they could get away with it -- for there to be no punishment whatsoever for what men do to women, and in the mean time to do the most lenient thing they can get away with.

On another note, Brokaw's response to the very thorough WaPo story (with more than one accuser btw) manages to be, somehow in all this mess, one of the smarmiest most disgusting responses from anyone yet. My link

[worry]

Well sure. I'm not arguing that he doesn't have the right to publish self-immolatingly gross defenses of his past disgusting behavior, only that his is a spectacularly skeevy example of trying to tarnish the victim's reputation as a defense.

[Maark Abbott]

 Primateus, on 27 April 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Point of order. In Denmark, life in prison actually means life in prison. Meaning, you can actually serve out the rest of your life, as I understand it. But like Apt says, there's an evaluation process after 12 years to determine if the convicted can be released on parole. And then again after couple of more years and so on.

The cop killer Apt mentioned was sentenced to life in prison and served 33 years in prison. Life in prison can very well mean you'll get to die in prison. That's just rarely the case.

Then there's psychiatric custody. Whereas life in prison is conditional on the crime committed, custody is about the person being convicted.

Nearly two million Americans are incarcerated in the prison systemprison system of the US.

[Primateus]

 Maark Abbott, on 04 May 2018 - 07:59 AM, said:

 Primateus, on 27 April 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Point of order. In Denmark, life in prison actually means life in prison. Meaning, you can actually serve out the rest of your life, as I understand it. But like Apt says, there's an evaluation process after 12 years to determine if the convicted can be released on parole. And then again after couple of more years and so on.

The cop killer Apt mentioned was sentenced to life in prison and served 33 years in prison. Life in prison can very well mean you'll get to die in prison. That's just rarely the case.

Then there's psychiatric custody. Whereas life in prison is conditional on the crime committed, custody is about the person being convicted.

Nearly two million Americans are incarcerated in the prison systemprison system of the US.

Hm, I'm not sure what that has to do with my post...

[Tiste Simeon]

I think he's quoting System of a Down.

[worry]

For you and me?

[Maark Abbott]

 Luv2B_Sassy, on 04 May 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

For you and me?

At least Worry understands me.

[Nicodimas]

 Maark Abbott, on 04 May 2018 - 07:59 AM, said:

 Primateus, on 27 April 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Point of order. In Denmark, life in prison actually means life in prison. Meaning, you can actually serve out the rest of your life, as I understand it. But like Apt says, there's an evaluation process after 12 years to determine if the convicted can be released on parole. And then again after couple of more years and so on.

The cop killer Apt mentioned was sentenced to life in prison and served 33 years in prison. Life in prison can very well mean you'll get to die in prison. That's just rarely the case.

Then there's psychiatric custody. Whereas life in prison is conditional on the crime committed, custody is about the person being convicted.

Nearly two million Americans are incarcerated in the prison systemprison system of the US.

In fiscal year nineteen eighty six to eighty seven
Local, state and federal governments spent
A combined total of sixty point six million dollars on law enforcement

[QuickTidal]

Luc Besson...I am entirely unsurprised by this one. Considering that this is the guy who began a relationship with a 15-year old when he was like 34, married her when she was 16, and wrote a film about young girls loving older men (LEON/THE PROFESSIONAL) that was critically acclaimed for inexplicable reasons.

Yeah, I may have a soft spot for the 5th Element...but fuck this d-bag.

[Malankazooie]

The details that were revealed about Mario Batali and his partner - Ken Friedman - during that 60 Minutes segment where disturbing AF. Glad to see NYPD is going to start an investigation.

[worry]

 QuickTidal, on 22 May 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

Luc Besson...I am entirely unsurprised by this one. Considering that this is the guy who began a relationship with a 15-year old when he was like 34, married her when she was 16, and wrote a film about young girls loving older men (LEON/THE PROFESSIONAL) that was critically acclaimed for inexplicable reasons.

Yeah, I may have a soft spot for the 5th Element...but fuck this d-bag.

Yah. I mean I liked Leon well enough at the time (and only saw the US version) so I don't think that's inexplicable, but nowadays the movie just reminds me of the cult of Natalie Portman that sprung up around it, among largely adult men swooning over her. One of the grossest, and most telling reactions from both the production and the fan side of the equation. I didn't know about the 15-year-old gf thing though, and it's so creepy, but it does make a lot of sick sense in retrospect. So I 100% agree with your position on Besson. I'd just add that an uncomfortably sizable chunk of the audience is complicit. Same thing is happening with Millie Bobbie Brown. Hollywood (or world cinema) is a hotbed of this stuff because of the concentration of money, power, and gatekeepers, but it's just a highly visible symptom of a society-wide issue.

[Malankazooie]

Never watched the show, because I don't watch stupid crap, but I guess some dude named Nev Schulman associated with MTV's Catfish has been implicated now (MTV has cancelled the show).

I bet more then a few Malazan Empire regulars, who post heavily in the Television thread, watch and know who this dude is.

[worry]

[RACHEL]

http://www.msn.com/e...xKByP?ocid=iehp

Noooooooo not Morgan Freeman.

[Macros]

No!