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Posted 06 December 2018 - 01:04 PM

Eeehh... Besides the rape story, which there is apparently doubts about, none og these stories strike me as particularly terrible. Awkward? Sure. Adulterous, sure. But there's no crimes for being socially awkward, drunk or bored of your marriage as far as I am aware.

I am not a fan of Tyson personally but I think it's reaching to call this MeToo just because Tyson is famous or that he has a higher degree than another person.

I guess it depends on what perspective you have when reading those articles.
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Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:30 PM

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There's a fourth now...

I have a bad feeling that the floodgates are about to burst open. I'm disappointed, but I can't honestly say I'm surprised. Aside from the accused, there is literally nothing new about this story. And it just another nail in the coffin for the "stellar" reputation of the skeptic community. No, it is as rotten as every other.

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Indeed.

There appears to be an entire generation of men for whom the latter alleged offences (not the rape allegation, but the other accusations of inappropriateness) were treated as harmless drunken come ons, or the like. To them they meant nothing more than they'd had a few, and got overtly sexually explicit with a woman they fancied, and it passed with a (or repeated) refusals. Not realizing that to women like Watson and Allers, the incidents left a far more indelible mark. I imagine that Tyson is one of those men. Hell, look at the picture of the christmas party with Allers...he's covered in sweat and you can see that drunken leer in his eye. He did what they said he did. 100%. He did it even though he's married with a kid, he did it even though they have/had boyfriends who were present, and he did it even though he's smart enough to know that it would make them feel uncomfortable. This fictional world where these women would throw themselves at his advances because of who he is and the power he holds is exactly that...fictional. He's smart enough to understand this, but too stupid to not let his junk do the talking.

And I think all that is now coming due with MeToo. Women are standing up now and saying "No, it's not at all cool if you come up drunkenly salivating over me and making suggestive sexual comments" The new normal should be teaching the next generation of men that consent is important in all avenues of social interactions.

I liked Tyson as a scientist, and generally liked his public presence....but a few listens to episodes of his podcast told me how arrogant he actually is, and shaded my original shiny view of him.

I think he needs to own all these things if he's going to move on, and perhaps confront the fact that what he saw as a consensual intimacy with the first woman was not that at all.

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:22 PM

I think the episode where he brought his young assistant to his house and put the moves on her for two hours is so telling. Every sentence of his explanation in the fb post is such an obvious, bald-faced lie, it made me sad (though not sympathetic) to read it. And on a surface level you can take that as just one more dude desperately lying about cheating on his wife -- a convenient reading often used by apologists for genuine sexual predators like Bill Clinton -- but what it really is is an extremely influential international celebrity and star of a TV show exerting his position on a much lower tier coworker (might as well consider it a boss/employee relationship, even if technically she's an employee of the production company or whatever) in order to wear her down towards sex. That he didn't quite get to Charlie Rose or Les Moonves levels of disgusting when she decided to leave doesn't change what he did to her, personally and professionally, for those two hours. Or how it could affect her professional comfort going forward, which is a big part of the MeToo movement's point -- the way this constant, often invisible pressure pushes women out of industries, even without the overt scuzzy gatekeeping of Weinstein types.
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Posted 24 December 2018 - 06:59 PM

Click this one if you want to cringe and wince at the same time: https://www.hollywoo...assault-1171597

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Posted 24 December 2018 - 07:06 PM

That's bizarre I'd assume his attorney would had strongly advised him against pulling such a stunt just before going on trial.
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Posted 24 December 2018 - 07:28 PM

"Dear boy, mah attornah is a lowball of the fahnest Kentucky bourbon."
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Posted 24 December 2018 - 08:26 PM

The actual video of Spacey's monologue

https://youtu.be/JZveA-NAIDI

It's captivating. If nothing else it sounds like he wants his trial to be a circus.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 02:58 AM

This waste of space sex predator is gonna make more money than ever reciting the dumbest people on earth's hell-opinions back to them.




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Posted 31 December 2018 - 06:26 AM

Didn't he "just" awkwardly ask some women if he could masturbate in front of them? He's definitely a weird pervert but calling him a sexual predator is a little much.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 06:45 AM

I believe 'sexual predator' is the exact right term for someone in a position of power regularly preying on coworkers with much less power to sexually gratify him. In some cases he asked, whatever that's worth (read: nothing), in some cases he surprised or forced them, in all these cases it was coercive, abusive, and predatory.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 09:08 AM

He never forced anyone to do anything. Which doesn't really fit with my image of a sexual predator, which is normally associated with rapists and pedophiles.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:53 AM

View Postworry, on 31 December 2018 - 06:45 AM, said:

I believe 'sexual predator' is the exact right term for someone in a position of power regularly preying on coworkers with much less power to sexually gratify him. In some cases he asked, whatever that's worth (read: nothing), in some cases he surprised or forced them, in all these cases it was coercive, abusive, and predatory.


I'd actually have disagreed with you about what his asking some of them first meant. I mean, if he actually did ask and then respected their answer? I mean, it's weird, but okay.

But, the moment he starts surprising the women, and forcing them is the very moment his asking some other women becomes a worthless defense. I mean, you jump out in front of a woman, whip your dick out and start masturbating and think you're going to get away with it because you're famous? Fuck off!
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 01:58 PM

View Postworry, on 31 December 2018 - 02:58 AM, said:

This waste of space sex predator is gonna make more money than ever reciting the dumbest people on earth's hell-opinions back to them.





Aside from all the sex stuff, this is just not funny. It's just out-of-touch, crotchety, malicious humor.

His humor used to be good.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:12 PM

View PostAlternative Goose, on 31 December 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

He never forced anyone to do anything. Which doesn't really fit with my image of a sexual predator, which is normally associated with rapists and pedophiles.





You've obviously never watched nature documentaries. Making a gazelle feel grossed out and socially uncomfortable is a key tactic of the Lion as it seeks it prey.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 03:22 PM

View PostWhisperzzzzzzz, on 31 December 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

View Postworry, on 31 December 2018 - 02:58 AM, said:

This waste of space sex predator is gonna make more money than ever reciting the dumbest people on earth's hell-opinions back to them.





Aside from all the sex stuff, this is just not funny. It's just out-of-touch, crotchety, malicious humor.

His humor used to be good.


Most of that blurb had potential. He is working out material and it will get more polished if he doesn't drown in another wave of outrage.

The Parkland bit he will probably need to lose and will quite probably set back the comeback. He is used to having a wide license on saying shocking things because his persona was accepted. Now, both on dirty humour, and things which touch closer to hot button topics, he is going to need to be more careful. Twitter is a drought ravaged forest for him right now. Any set will leak, and any joke could set the outrage ablaze anew.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 05:02 PM

https://www.thedaily...o-the-alt-right

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"They're like royalty!" he said. "They tell you what to call them. 'You should address me as they/them, because I identify as gender-neutral.' Oh, OK. You should address me as 'there' because I identify as a location. And the location is your mother's fruitloop."



Fruitloop is supposed to be the so-called c-word, but the forum is censoring it.

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"They testify in front of Congress, these kids? What are they doing?" he said. "You're young, you should be crazy, you should be unhinged, not in a suit… you're not interesting. Because you went to a high school where kids got shot? Why does that mean I have to listen to you?… You didn't got shot, you pushed some fat kid in the way, and now I've gotta listen to you talking?"



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Posted 31 December 2018 - 08:15 PM

Holy hell. "Potential." That's so far beside the point it's past the horizon. The point is he was lying when he said he was gonna step back and listen, he was lying when he apologized to the women he abused, he never had any plans to atone for what he did to them or anyone else, and he's changed tacks to appeal to the only people left who will have him, the kind of sewer dwellers who use 'SJW' as a pejorative.


@Prim, respectfully, he abused a position of power even when he "asked". It's not weird, it's coercive. He "asked" women who trusted and respected him as a successful, experienced elder statesman in the business. He got them alone, using their trust in him to his advantage, and sprung the topic of sexually gratifying him on them. He also "asked" employees of shows he was working on, sometimes persistently. He made them feel unsafe in their place of work, tainted their career hopes and ambitions. He drove women not only out of particular jobs, but out of the industry.


Like, what if this was any other job? Would you say a coach asking a potential recruit if he could masturbate in front of her was just being "weird"? Or would you think he was taking advantage of his position, and that she would very reasonably (if in a panic state) have her career (past, present, and future) flash through her mind? Would it not be reasonable to expect it to affect the way she subsequently performed, or the way she interacted with teammates and coaches in the future? Would it not, in many cases, diminish or warp the passion she had for the sport in the first place? And as a thought experiment, just to yourself not as a post, see if you can imagine how many women (you can do this with other groups too, but in this case let's stick to women) have been disincentivized (to put it mildly) from pursuing careers due to the weird behavior of men like LCK over the years? Women who've suspended, delayed, or abandoned career paths. Like if you had to estimate, would it be in the hundreds? The thousands? The millions?


That's before we get to him pushing women into bathrooms or standing in front of the hotel room door so they couldn't leave, while he's "asking" them.

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Posted 31 December 2018 - 08:28 PM

Well, in my defense, I was only aware that he had asked some of them, not that he had blocked the door when doing so. That part really does take the whole "asking" part out of the equation.
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Posted 31 December 2018 - 08:37 PM

Well, I didn't mean it aggressively, like you have to defend yourself. I guess it is kind of a wall of text which inherently seems like a screed, sorry. But I really am saying it more in the spirit of just a request to "think of it this way." But I wanted to be thorough too, and I do very much believe the "asking" stuff isn't separate from the other abuse.

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Posted 01 January 2019 - 07:57 PM

View PostPrimateus, on 31 December 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

https://www.thedaily...o-the-alt-right

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"They're like royalty!" he said. "They tell you what to call them. 'You should address me as they/them, because I identify as gender-neutral.' Oh, OK. You should address me as 'there' because I identify as a location. And the location is your mother's fruitloop."



Fruitloop is supposed to be the so-called c-word, but the forum is censoring it.

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"They testify in front of Congress, these kids? What are they doing?" he said. "You're young, you should be crazy, you should be unhinged, not in a suit… you're not interesting. Because you went to a high school where kids got shot? Why does that mean I have to listen to you?… You didn't got shot, you pushed some fat kid in the way, and now I've gotta listen to you talking?"



You've gone classy, Louis, real classy! Posted Image


I went and listened to the whole set. It's hilarious. Probably some of the funniest bits I've heard from him in years. That part about pranks had me laughing so hard I was choking.

https://youtu.be/R8Nc3x_TkF4

I don't see anything wrong with the material. It's shock humor mixing offensive material with willful obstinance. Typical Louis CK stuff.

He should add a bigger segment addressing the me too stuff more directly but I'd understand if he wants to be careful.
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