[Jalan]

Ok, I can't say I saw that one coming. That means vamps are down both of their obvious leaders, Spike and Drusilla. Their faction has to be pretty much non-existent at this point.
I'm off work tomorrow, so I should be around a lot more.

[Rashan]

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

Ok, I can't say I saw that one coming. That means vamps are down both of their obvious leaders, Spike and Drusilla. Their faction has to be pretty much non-existent at this point.
I'm off work tomorrow, so I should be around a lot more.

Afaik there could still be a number of recruits? But there should be no more recruiting right?

[Jalan]

Rashan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:21 AM, said:

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

Ok, I can't say I saw that one coming. That means vamps are down both of their obvious leaders, Spike and Drusilla. Their faction has to be pretty much non-existent at this point.
I'm off work tomorrow, so I should be around a lot more.

Afaik there could still be a number of recruits? But there should be no more recruiting right?

That's what I'd assume, yeah. So we should be down to a culture hunt at this point. I'll dig into Thyr in the morning and see if I can dig anything up. I'm way too drunk to do so now.

[Lock]

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

That's what I'd assume, yeah. So we should be down to a culture hunt at this point. I'll dig into Thyr in the morning and see if I can dig anything up. I'm way too drunk to do so now.

Yeah, I think going through Thyr before doing any lynching is the better idea too. Nimander isn't going anywhere. I'm honestly surprised by the Thyr CF though, I expected Nimander to be Spike.

[Rashan]

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

Rashan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:21 AM, said:

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

Ok, I can't say I saw that one coming. That means vamps are down both of their obvious leaders, Spike and Drusilla. Their faction has to be pretty much non-existent at this point.
I'm off work tomorrow, so I should be around a lot more.

Afaik there could still be a number of recruits? But there should be no more recruiting right?

That's what I'd assume, yeah. So we should be down to a culture hunt at this point.

It's been a culture hunt since the beginning. Unless I missed something about some of the many implications from yesterday, that is.

[Nimander Golit]

Kilava, on 14 June 2017 - 03:08 AM, said:

We only have an hour left. I think Thyr is human, but I have my doubts about everyone else.

Spot on, Kilava. Funny how eager you're now to vote me for Thyr siding with me, isn't it?

[Galain]

Awesome work whoever killed Thyrllan!

Nice to see that people came on to discuss things right after I had to leave

This certainly throws even more suspicion on to Nimander, and makes my vote there much more comfortable than yesterday.

Vote Nimander Golit

[Galain]

Kilava, on 14 June 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

If the factions began with 6 humans and 6 vampires, and 3 humans and 1 vampire are dead, then there are 3 humans and 5 vampires left.

I'm trying to decide if Lock's train is now sporting vampires or humans.

I KNOW FOR CERTAIN (if the original distribution was 6 and 6) that there is AT LEAST 1 vampire on Lock's train.

Why would a vampire be on Lock's train when MOST everyone voting Lock says they think Lock is a vampire?

Galain says he thinks the two candidates are both human but he nevertheless would like a lynch.

Regardless, there IS a vampire on the Lock train. I KNOW THIS TO BE A FACT from simple math (if the original distribution was 6:6).

So I ask again - if Lock is a vampire, why is there a vampire on his train?

I thought this too but did not want to raise it because it seemed everyone else assumed this was a different game to what I thought.

[Galain]

The one thing that makes me a bit wary is how much Thyrllan appeared to be taking Nimander's side. It wasn't exactly gentle nudging to note vote for Nim.

So another possibility is that Thyr wanted to cosy up to Nim because they thought Nim might be a threat to them otherwise...

...but then, why not just let them hang if that were the case?

Think it has to be a Nim lynch.

[Nimander Golit]

Lol, go ahead, speed-lynch me. Never in the history of Malazan Mafia this has proven to be stupid

I should have some time around lunch to dig into the thread and figure out what's up. Some thoughts off the top of my head, I don't know what Thyr's play was, but he was Ment so I can only assume there was a deeper thought to it. I'm reluctant to say so, but maybe Galain was onto something when he said we're two misguided townies with Lock. I'd need to think on this some more, because I still have no clue where Lock pulled the accusation of me killing Silchas from and leaving this as a loose would be dumb.

Kilava's sudden appearance with the bullshit theory about 6v6 distribution was a thinly veiled hint at being a roled townie. But they tried to VPI Thyr and now immediately jumped to vote me, so his claim is dubious at best.

Rashan and Jalan were complete non-entities for the previous day and now they're back right after timeout. This sets all my alarms off and points at Lock again. Lock was at L-1 at the end of the previous day. Rashan and Jalan did not commit a vote either way for a day that was dragging on from fucking Friday, but are both around 2 hours from timeout? Give me a break.

[Merrid]

Hang on a second...

We got Spike and Drusilla, or rather Buffy did, I would imagine.

That does not mean we get to be complacent.

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

Ok, I can't say I saw that one coming. That means vamps are down both of their obvious leaders, Spike and Drusilla. Their faction has to be pretty much non-existent at this point. I'm off work tomorrow, so I should be around a lot more.

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

Rashan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:21 AM, said:

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

Ok, I can't say I saw that one coming. That means vamps are down both of their obvious leaders, Spike and Drusilla. Their faction has to be pretty much non-existent at this point. I'm off work tomorrow, so I should be around a lot more.

Afaik there could still be a number of recruits? But there should be no more recruiting right?

That's what I'd assume, yeah. So we should be down to a culture hunt at this point. I'll dig into Thyr in the morning and see if I can dig anything up. I'm way too drunk to do so now.

Lock, on 14 June 2017 - 05:34 AM, said:

Jalan, on 14 June 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

That's what I'd assume, yeah. So we should be down to a culture hunt at this point. I'll dig into Thyr in the morning and see if I can dig anything up. I'm way too drunk to do so now.

Yeah, I think going through Thyr before doing any lynching is the better idea too. Nimander isn't going anywhere. I'm honestly surprised by the Thyr CF though, I expected Nimander to be Spike.

We need to get some things straight.

There are recruits.

The question is, whether those recruits are roled, or not.

If Lock is right about Nimander, that is to say Nimander killed Silchas, then at least one recruit is roled.

There have been 4 nights, and vampires have been killed on 2 nights. It is reasonable to assume that a kill prevents a recruit. So there are a minimum of 2 recruits.

But in Mafia we should always look for the WCS. And the WCS is that on the Night Drusilla was killed, Spike managed to recruit someone.

So WCS says there are 3 roled recruits.

Now, one of them maybe either Nimander or Lock, or we have a really idiotic Townie friendly fire situation. Frankly I don't think the game can make any reasonable progress unless we lynch any one of them.

[Lock]

Merrid, on 14 June 2017 - 08:41 AM, said:

We need to get some things straight.

There are recruits.

The question is, whether those recruits are roled, or not.

If Lock is right about Nimander, that is to say Nimander killed Silchas, then at least one recruit is roled.

There have been 4 nights, and vampires have been killed on 2 nights. It is reasonable to assume that a kill prevents a recruit. So there are a minimum of 2 recruits.

But in Mafia we should always look for the WCS. And the WCS is that on the Night Drusilla was killed, Spike managed to recruit someone.

So WCS says there are 3 roled recruits.

Now, one of them maybe either Nimander or Lock, or we have a really idiotic Townie friendly fire situation. Frankly I don't think the game can make any reasonable progress unless we lynch any one of them.

I've only watched a few episodes of the second Buffy season, but those gave me a different impression.

A big baddie from S1 is promoted into THE big baddie in the first episode. Spike and Drusilla are barely introduced at this point. I think it's far more likely that Nimander is the Anointed One with a NK power and S&D are recruiters with their ability to recruit restricted by a few conditions to stop them running amok by day 3. It's a far more likely scenario than every recruited vampire being roled, specially for a TMDI 5.

[Kilava]

They have a primary killer and an understudy/inheritor, perhaps an understudy to the understudy.

Drucilla would be primary and Spike inheritor.

Conclusion for reasons.

[Kilava]

If there is no inheritor to the inheritor then they can no longer kill and are limited to recruitment.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 14 June 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

Kilava's sudden appearance with the bullshit theory about 6v6 distribution was a thinly veiled hint at being a roled townie. But they tried to VPI Thyr and now immediately jumped to vote me, so his claim is dubious at best.

Kilava, on 06 June 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 June 2017 - 04:45 PM, said:

Along the same logic, do with think Kill - Ava has any night actions?

I have no night actions... yet.

Okay, the 6:6 distribution was stupid, but the conclusions I drew from it were still useful. There WAS at least one vampire on the Lock train.

Nimander Golit, on 14 June 2017 - 08:32 AM, said:

Rashan and Jalan were complete non-entities for the previous day and now they're back right after timeout. This sets all my alarms off and points at Lock again. Lock was at L-1 at the end of the previous day. Rashan and Jalan did not commit a vote either way for a day that was dragging on from fucking Friday, but are both around 2 hours from timeout? Give me a break.

This stands out to me too. Not around to vote at end of day but both here handwringing immediately upon new day starting.

Plus, they made no appearance AT ALL yesterday. I expected modkills.

I'll remove for the time being.

Remove Vote

[Nimander Golit]

Okay, I spent some time thinking about this and I'm back to where I was the previous day. It has to be Lock, there is no other logical explanation.

Merrid brought up an important thing:

Merrid, on 14 June 2017 - 08:41 AM, said:

There are recruits.

The question is, whether those recruits are roled, or not.

If Lock is right about Nimander, that is to say Nimander killed Silchas, then at least one recruit is roled.

With two lead vamps dead we must be down to recruits - you're right on this, Merrid. You're also correct that if Lock is telling the truth, then I'm by extension a roled recruit. Except that's not possible, which brings us to the only possible conclusion that Lock is lying.
Look at this: since we're sure that vampires had to have a recruiter, they certainly started outnumbered. We can assume with high certainty that Buffy has an NK capability. Do you think there would be another townie with an NK at hand with numbers already skewed toward town? I cannot be a recruited killer because I'm pretty sure town did not start with another killer.

Also, if I was lying, then from the way the conversation unfolded yesterday, Buffy would 100% know I'm lying. But she did not target me, did she? Why would that be? Maybe because she knows I'm telling the truth?

[Nimander Golit]

I bet my ass it's Lock, so I will just put my vote there and get back to lurking.

vote Lock

[Merrid]

Lock raises a point about game mechanics, about an SK.

The problem is that why only 1 kill in 4 nights?

I was considering an alternating recruit/kill mechanic for the two main vampires.

[Nimander Golit]

We only had one townie killed and it's Day 5. I don't think vampires are particularly well equipped for NK-ing in this game. I would be very surprised to find out there is/was an SK.

[Lock]

Merrid, on 14 June 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

The problem is that why only 1 kill in 4 nights?

Man I wish people would use their brains. It's a useful organ all things considered.