[Silchas Ruin]

Galain, on 06 April 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

going to bed now, but we've hella time to play with, should have decent laptop time tomorrow evening

unless I win the lottery.

then fuck all y'all

I'm sorry, but I've only seen one player say y'all. And that's me. Stop it. I'm jealous like that.

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

The Osseric post naming three alts caught my eye too. Would be ballsy though.

Also wrong since we have 3 scum *including* the symp

Are you being dense on purpose? It's like Ampelas said, it might include an inno with the scum.

This is Thor's first serious post on Day 1. Prior to this, it's banter, directed mostly at Ampelas and Barghast.

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 04 April 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

Having gone back and reread Osseric's original post about Kilava, Rashan and NG still feels wrong. A strange way to single out alts.

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

I have time, it is much more valuable than money!

A dragon who I can pay in stripteases. You're hired

Barghast, on 03 April 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Rashan, on 03 April 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

My dragons ain't cheap

You go second.

Nah my girlz are all yours. First rule of pimping.

You are dim. In order for me to go you need to go before me. I go third. Women need build up before I go. So small Ampelas go first, you not as small go second, I go third.

Also since we are talking signalling, here is Barghast literally listing out three people.

Here is something not Thyr - related, but interesting. merrid points out a post by Barghast. Later Cast will use this same post to justify his Rashan vote. No mention of Merrid saying it first, and Merrid did not mention this. Another possible (but tenuous) link of Merrid covering up for Cast?

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 10:44 PM, said:

I don't see Barghast as scummy, based on the way they have been playing, at least certainly not as a killer. And I have enjoyed their RP. Rashan I have little to no feelings on either way.

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 10:49 PM, said:

I suppose it doesn't really matter now, seems to be either Rashan or nothing.

Thyrllan, on 04 April 2017 - 10:54 PM, said:

Had a quick scan again, and nope, nothing further to add. Except that Rashan seems to be accepting their fate.

Vote Rashan

Oops on, laments lack of options, votes to L-1, leaves. That's his Day 1.

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 05 April 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Just a post to say I won't be around till late tonight. Had a quick scan and am not sold on the Silchas case - slips are extremely rare in normal games.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 minutes since time out

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid


Rashan has been lynched. He was ItWasNom and a Roleless Innocent.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:15 AM, said:

Oh hold on, Ampelas did vote didn't they but PS left it off. That makes more sense, as they're nothing like the others who didn't vote.

Off the top of my head, I remember nothing from Denul, nothing from Jalan except for the Silchas push, nothing from Merrid aside from that they are being voted on today.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:18 AM, said:

Ah, I see Merrid actually did a bit of analysis at the beginning of the day, that's interesting.

Thyr day 2.

Starts by stating that he doesn't buy the SR case.

Then his next post is interesting. He is trying to move attention away from the train analysis, and suggests scum can be found off the train.

[Silchas Ruin]

PS: Timer please.

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 11:09 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 April 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

Care to explain the connections? Because most of what I see in that nested quote is dragonsex banter.

Scum team getting early interactions on thread through dragonsex banter.

Kilava's response that you quoted was already replied to by Rashan. Then Thyr, Bargy, Rashan, myself all have quotes/posts since which are ignored by you but reply to that one post and disappear.

I more like the Rashan/Kilava connection but you are involved in it, and was also quoted by Osseric. Not sure who is signalling who here, but there's something there.

Do you think scum get involved in dragonsex banter? I'd have thought D1 avoid anything that could draw the random lynch

Nice way to rule yourself out there. Though I also notice that your banter amounted to a couple of half-hearted posts.

Hmmm. Thyr comes to a conclusion opposite mine with this- I felt Jalan didn't really participate as in the banter (one response to Merrid notwithstanding). Thyr feels he did, and so he's "ruling himself out". Not sure about it either way.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Osseric makes a bit of a song and dance about voting at the end of day 1, asking for other people's opinions, asking questions they know the answer to (vote count), but eventually laying down the same vote as everyone else. Barghast dying also vindicates them regarding their doubt about that train also. What they say regarding the Barghast/Rashan cases were certainly valid doubts, I don't really have a problem with that. It's more how it's spread over a series of posts as if to highlight how they struggle with an eventual Rashan vote.

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

FWIW, I'm not a huge fan of the Barghast or Rashan trains. Both of them have been active and trying to make connections with other players to see what happens when they do a little bantering. That's useful behaviour that I don't think makes them particularly good Day 1 lynch candidates.

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

OK, so by my count there's 4 votes on Rashan, 2 on Barghast and 1 on Kilava, yeah?

Is anyone else around? If so, what are your thoughts? I'm going to have to sign off for the night soon...

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Hmm, not convinced by your reasoning Cast. Ampelas has been playing as close to a textbook town game as you can, really. I don't see him being part of a scum messaging ring like you're implying. Barghast and Rashan are less clear cut, but as I've said before I don't really think their banter was all that scummy.

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

Gah, I'm out of time. I don't like it, but at this point I think it's got to be Rashan to have a chance of a lynch.

Remove Vote

Vote Rashan

This line of inquiry turned out to be useless, but he looks at him briefly, before.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Osseric, on 05 April 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 April 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

I did not vote as there were still 12 hours to go until time out when I was last on. I did highlight some signalling but did not feel strongly enough about a candidate to vote. Unfortunately due to health and scheduling issues I was not able to be back by timeout.

You "did not feel strongly enough about a candidate to vote", huh? So there was nobody you found scummy at all? Town find people scummy, that's their job. If you aren't doing that, you probably aren't town in my book.

I agree with this somewhat, but at the same time with 12 hours to go yesterday I don't think I had a clear idea of who I would vote for either.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 12:46 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Okay, so I am sceptical about Silchas slipping. It would have to be a super dumb slip too, after all what are scum most focused on if not kills. But I also don't see the vig being a vengeance/list thing - I think most likely they just wanted to pop one off before being knocked off themselves...premature yes, but stil somewhat understandable.


Anyhoo, my thought (and apologies if this has been already posited) is that there was a lot of positive-to-sure why not attitude toward lynching Rashan yesterday. The lack of a real alternative also made them an even likelier lynch. Thus, scum may have felt little pressure to contribute by jumping on the train, as the lynch seemed likely regardless. My suspicion then is that at least one, if not both, killers would have stayed off the train, and that's a manageable number of players to look at. I'm confident at least one of Ampelas, Denul, Jalan or Merrid will turn out scum. I'll be having a look at them tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2017 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 minutes since time out

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Cast, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin, Thyrllan

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rashan ( Barghast, Kilava, Cast, Osseric, Thyrllan, Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Galain )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Rashan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Merrid


Rashan has been lynched. He was ItWasNom and a Roleless Innocent.

Underlined: No. It's not understandable. If you consider balance, the Vig is there to take their best shot a scum towards mid or end-game. Just using it "because you can" is completely selfish behaviour that does nothing for town other than reduce its chances when it's fired off like this.

That said, it's over and done with. Player fucked up and now it's time to get real. We've lost our healer and vig.

I don't like this post by you. You are setting up numerous low target options for the day (other than Amp which pings a non-member of the group), rather than actually looking at play styles and interactions.

As of right now, I'd put my vote on you as scum because you know I'm innocent and defending me will make you look better.

Whatever floats your boat. My guess is still that the vig just had a strong day 1 vibe and went with it. To be frank, vigs only rarely come up trumps, whether they blow their load on day 1 or day 5. It's not something to rely on and therefore it's not something to get massively worked up about either.

You say I'm setting up low target options and yet the only low target in the players I named is Denul, so that doesn't really work. I'm also prepared to ignore Denul for now from that list because they're such a non-entity. Neither am I defending you - I'm pointing out the flaw in the reasoning that's been given. There may very well be, however, better reasons for voting for you

As it is, I think I'd be happy with either a Jalan or Merrid vote. The latter always seems to perk up when their name is mentioned, the former has coasted throughout the game so far. Both have given pretty similar reasons for being absent from the day 1 vote, which makes me think they don't work as partners. So need to decide which is more town. In that sense, there's more to work with from Merrid, who has attempted some analysis of others' play. Jalan just has the Silchas thing and has disappeared ever since.

Settling on Merrid and Jalan as his suspects. Once again, I feel he misrepresents Merrid's behaviour here (if anything, Jalan would be better described as "popping up when prodded" and disregards Merrid's Day 2 content.

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

I'm happy to vote for Merrid in any case, fits into how I'd have expected scum to play day 1. Then on day 2 they made a half-contribution at the beginning before dropping the rest of what they were going to do to either latch on to other people's suspicions, or then consequently to focus on themselves.

Okay, I see. He felt Merrid's analysis wasn't meaningful. Hard for me to say if I agree, but it certainly was unfocused.

[Silchas Ruin]

Vote Kilava

I removed to let you hang yourself. You are desperately posting to end game to strangle the thread.

Well played. Don't know your partner yet, but we'll get it

[Kilava]

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

I'm just waiting for Kilava to finish before voting.

My general manager impression that merrid is the least suspicious of the 3 I looked at. I have most questions about cast, and Jalan + merrid are interchangeable for no 2, with Jalan edging out by the virtue of Merrid trying to participate.

The other person I might want to analyze is you, actually, ass I'm not sure where you stand.

Thyrllan, on 06 April 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

I like the Merrid vote, and am happy to vote there, and my other option is Jalan, though currently there's less to say there (part of the reason I find them suspicious).

So, he doesn't hammer (wait for me to finish my re-read), and the he expresses same thoughts as me, and disappears. And that's his Day 2

[Kilava]

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 10:22 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

I removed to let you hang yourself. You are desperately posting to end game to strangle the thread.

Well played. Don't know your partner yet, but we'll get it

? I said I was gonna look @ Thyr in the evening. I'm looking @ Thyr. That's what's called a "recap" .

[Kilava]

Overall, my impression of Thyr is that he is playing a very clinical game, careful not to really commit to anything. So far, not enough to consider them scum, but IGMEOY.

[Kilava]

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 09:48 PM, said:

Galain, on 06 April 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

going to bed now, but we've hella time to play with, should have decent laptop time tomorrow evening

unless I win the lottery.

then fuck all y'all

I'm sorry, but I've only seen one player say y'all. And that's me. Stop it. I'm jealous like that.

Rashan said it on Day 1,

[Kilava]

Anyhow, time for me to head out to my game.

Not @ the office tomorrow, but I'll be running errands (some work-related) instead, so no clue how much time I'll have (or how long my phone battery will last).

Later, peeps.

[Ampelas]

First thought of today is that Denul has made it to d day without any participation. This makes me exclude him from my list of scum possibilities. If he was scum then we would be looking for a lone killer style of play. Once I get to work I am reading up properly.

[Ampelas]

No posts in 8 hours. That's a big gap.

[Thyrllan]

I'll be around in a couple of hours, and then should be here most of the day. I'll try to put my thoughts together on Jalan.

[Ampelas]

Most of my current thoughts are going into PM's, but just wanted to put this one out there.

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Dinivan isn't in the game Although I bet he wishes he is!

Ah, oops. For some reason I was assuming that it was just an alt I hadn't heard of.

Before my time but looks like a few good games in the 50-90 range. A few days sooner and he/she could have signed up for this one...

Jalan took the time to look through old games to find a player that is not in this game. If they have that amount of time then they surely could have posted more content into this game.

[Jalan]

Kilava, on 06 April 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:

(if anything, Jalan would be better described as "popping up when prodded"

I see I'm being mentioned and comment on it. That's what I do. This is 11 hours after you said that but no doubt you'll consider it "popping up when mentioned" too.

Silchas Ruin, on 06 April 2017 - 10:22 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

I removed to let you hang yourself. You are desperately posting to end game to strangle the thread.

Well played. Don't know your partner yet, but we'll get it

I still think it is you. I'll have to check back and see if Kilava was one supporting your slip as scum or as not as that'll be telling.

Ampelas, on 07 April 2017 - 06:04 AM, said:

First thought of today is that Denul has made it to d day without any participation. This makes me exclude him from my list of scum possibilities. If he was scum then we would be looking for a lone killer style of play. Once I get to work I am reading up properly.

Why exclude them? Generally we have one high, one low poster. You can't get much lower posting than Denul. What would you expect from a lone killer with a absent partner?

Ampelas, on 07 April 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

Most of my current thoughts are going into PM's, but just wanted to put this one out there.

Jalan, on 04 April 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

Osseric, on 04 April 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 04 April 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Dinivan isn't in the game Although I bet he wishes he is!

Ah, oops. For some reason I was assuming that it was just an alt I hadn't heard of.

Before my time but looks like a few good games in the 50-90 range. A few days sooner and he/she could have signed up for this one...

Jalan took the time to look through old games to find a player that is not in this game. If they have that amount of time then they surely could have posted more content into this game.

The old player was mentioned by name at least twice on thread. That's enough to make me curious. I didn't "look through" I used this:

 Dinivan.png (5.68K)
Number of downloads: 0

That took all of 5 seconds. I fact it took significantly less time than me answering this stupid point of yours.

[Jalan]

So taking a quick gander at Kilava after the SR slip;

Kilava, on 05 April 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

This could be a catch. I'd be willing to roll with that.

Initially supportive but not comitting

Kilava, on 05 April 2017 - 03:18 PM, said:

People currently under everyone's radar: Denul (1 post wonder), and Galvin (voted Venge purely on gut, did nothing else of substance).

Immediately throwing other names out. Distraction?

Kilava, on 05 April 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

"Merrid's" argument, obv.

In fact

vote Ampelas

Omgus a bit, but you're bringing up dodgy wifom again for the sole reason of seeing me lynched, and I can see this argument between us becoming a point of contention, and I don't have the time to fully participate anymore (like I said, life happened). So I'll let others decide how reasonable we both are. I do urge the thread to take a look at what Amp is using to attack me once my CF comes up, though.

I'm amenable to a SR lynch as well at this point.

Votes elsewhere

I think I'd be happy voting Kilava today. Scum I'm pretty sure of. Even a symp would delay D-Day. I'm not going to rush into laying a vote down, I'll be awake for probably 11-12 hours yet so will hold off till late.