Quick Ben Question
#1 Guest_Gruntle_*
Posted 31 August 2005 - 10:43 AM
What are his eleven warrens?? :confused:
In memories of Ice he uses KG! to the suprise of Paran.
In memories of Ice he uses KG! to the suprise of Paran.
#2 Guest_Tehol Beddict_*
Posted 31 August 2005 - 11:31 AM
I remember that he had 12 warrens.
In MOI he used 6 against bauchelain and held back 6, didn't he ?
I also remember him using KG, serc, ruse, hood's warren, warren of chaos, Rashan and Tellanan.
Rest im not sure.
In MOI he used 6 against bauchelain and held back 6, didn't he ?
I also remember him using KG, serc, ruse, hood's warren, warren of chaos, Rashan and Tellanan.
Rest im not sure.
#3 Guest_leeloo_*
Posted 31 August 2005 - 01:40 PM
well he may have used KG but I don't think it's one of his warren's he has at disposal,IMO he was just able to pass through it.Remember that elder warrens are only for elder races not humans.That trading cabala from Darujhistan also passed through Tellan.
May may very well conclude that his warrens are...Meanas(he once served Shadowthrone),Rashan,Mockra(judging from those ilusions during attack on Koral),Hood's,D'riss, and just Hood knows what else.
May may very well conclude that his warrens are...Meanas(he once served Shadowthrone),Rashan,Mockra(judging from those ilusions during attack on Koral),Hood's,D'riss, and just Hood knows what else.
#4
Posted 31 August 2005 - 01:43 PM
leeloo said:
Remember that elder warrens are only for elder races not humans.
One of his souls might've been part Andii.. so why not an ability to use KG.
#5
Posted 31 August 2005 - 04:36 PM
He certainly had a couple of people in him that studied ancient and mysterious stuff.
He has a demon-summoning Warren - can't remember the name atm.
He has a demon-summoning Warren - can't remember the name atm.
#6 Guest_Sytkan_*
Posted 31 August 2005 - 05:42 PM
hoods own summons undead, i thought demons come from chaos path between warrens
#7
Posted 31 August 2005 - 07:28 PM
We've seen demons summoned from a number of warrens... Shadow, the "Imperial" warren, the fragments of KE... I'm not sure we can associate one warren as a domain of demons.
Off-topicish - What makes a demon a demon anyway? The demons that we've met have benign - malevolent and everything in between. Is a demon simply a being from an alternate plane of being... one not native to or currently residing in the Malazan world?
-- Clu
Off-topicish - What makes a demon a demon anyway? The demons that we've met have benign - malevolent and everything in between. Is a demon simply a being from an alternate plane of being... one not native to or currently residing in the Malazan world?
-- Clu
#8
Posted 31 August 2005 - 11:21 PM
Aral Gamelon was the warren of demons. Though not all demons come from there, the Aptorians come from shadow for example.
#9
Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:16 AM
Demons, if we follow Trull's line of thought, are but denizes of other worlds too unlike us to be called humans, or cousins of humans.. Or something like that at any rate.
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To speak friendly, Even to the devil
It's decent in the first of gentlemen
To speak friendly, Even to the devil
#10
Posted 01 September 2005 - 09:56 AM
I think we can say he doesn't have Denul - IIRC, we've not seen him heal anyone, so that narrows it down a little.
#11
Posted 01 September 2005 - 03:17 PM
when whiskey jack tells the story to rak he mentions which sorcerors died and had theirs osuls taken into qb. One of them was a jhag
#12
Posted 01 September 2005 - 03:47 PM
Yup. That was me. Patroned by some unknown ascendant.
#13 Guest_The Silent One_*
Posted 17 September 2005 - 12:16 AM
wasnt he only able to use KG because of the little pinnochio guy cant remember his name at the min
#14
Posted 17 September 2005 - 04:42 AM
talamandas
also, i remember reading somewhere that lotsa demons come outa starvald demelain
also, i remember reading somewhere that lotsa demons come outa starvald demelain
#15 Guest_Killanthir_*
Posted 17 September 2005 - 07:56 AM
QB uses Denul on Hairlock right before he performs the soul-shifting ritual (GoTM).
#16
Posted 17 September 2005 - 12:50 PM
The Silent One said:
wasnt he only able to use KG because of the little pinnochio guy cant remember his name at the min
Afaik Talamandas did not give QB access to any warren he didnt already have, merely shielded him from CG's poison.
#17
Posted 17 September 2005 - 01:58 PM
If I read correctly, Tattersail recognized the language that Quick was using in the soul-shifting of Hairlock as Denul... but twisted. This lead me to believe that he wasn't actually using Denul, but some related and different warren.
Thoughts?
-- Clu
Thoughts?
-- Clu
#18
Posted 17 September 2005 - 02:12 PM
I'm not sure what the warren is called, but I was under the impression there was a necrotic warren that would be the opposite of denul which is used for soul shifting and other such vile acts. The obvious choice would be Hood, but I don't know.
#19 Guest_Killanthir_*
Posted 17 September 2005 - 09:45 PM
Cluracan: My reading of that was that QB was using Denul in combination with one or more other Warrens. I think that's the nature of Quick Ben's sorcery -- he uses multiple Warrens simultaneously, combining and mixing them. Thus Tattersail's description of it as being "twisted".
#20
Posted 19 September 2005 - 02:24 PM
@Killanthir - Interesting thought... I was more of a mind with Oceao. Given the relationships between warrens that we now understand (eldering - modern/"human" aspected warrens) I still wonder.
Denul interests me... I'm rereading GOTM at the moment and Tattersail uses "shedenul" as a blessing. Is shedenul a female aspect of Denul? What makes Caladan Brood's High Denul, different from Mallet's Denul?
Ah the questions never end.
-- Clu
Denul interests me... I'm rereading GOTM at the moment and Tattersail uses "shedenul" as a blessing. Is shedenul a female aspect of Denul? What makes Caladan Brood's High Denul, different from Mallet's Denul?
Ah the questions never end.
-- Clu