[Bek Okhan]

Okay, this will be short and I might ramble because I'm trying to type fast as I need to leave. Sorry folks, little time and a lot of stress. If I knew ahead how the last few days were going to look like I wouldn't have signed up.

So, I re-read the thread and at the moment I'm looking at the people suggesting Fande was symp, because it's a shitty, WIFOMy thing to say on thread. They are Serc and Mockra. Serc, however, had a rather erratic entry into the game with two votes in their first couple of posts. While not unheard of, it would be a weird way for a killer to enter the game - especially lone killer, which is the setup I suspect.

Mockra has been bickering with Gamelon and Fanderay pretty much the whole game. I take Macros' reveal as genuine now, so that gives some credence to his suspicion of the other two. Gamelon, however, spent the first day on ironic, mildly amusing remarks about the early vote on them - again, not something I imagine a lone killer doing.

Mockra also has interesting positions on the Fande trains: first puts Macros on L-1, then on L-2 the next day. Their vote from D1 is also awfully hedged, something that always pings my scumdar:

Mockra, on 23 March 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Bek made some valid points about Fande that I agree with but I don't find them as suspicious, although I haven't agreed with nearly anything Fande said and I wouldn't have a better alternative either way so I have no problem with voting that way.

vote Fanderay

I should be more active from now on.

So for know I'm going to vote Mockra. Also, quickly addressing Gamelon's post here:

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 06:03 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

I don't like the speculation that Macros could have been a symp. First, the only way to know that is if you're the Healer. Second, if that's an 8v2 game, there probably is no vanilla symp, and according to PMs posted by PM, Evil Coroner Symp flips guilty. Also, can we just stop asking 'who was he symping'? It's pointless. What kind of symp allows you to read from their posts who they're aligned with unless their master has serious heat on them - and no one except Macros himself had any heat on them so far.

Strong, sensible posts such as the above are why Bek is lower on my likely scum list. The only problem is that you're saying it's not likely that there's a vanilla symp, but then go on to talk about the Evil Coroner symp. Yeah, you're right, that symp WOULD flip guilty, but if there's no vanilla symp, why would there be an evil coroner symp?

I completely agree with your point about there being NO point to speculating on who a potential symp MAY have been symping. That's just a barrel of WIFOM that's ready to overflow if you ask me.

*drumroll* mech spec time! There are 4 possible scum roles: Killer, Symp, Evil Coroner Symp, Evil Coroner. The maths of 7v3 makes the game heavily tilted towards scum, so I believe it's 8v2. I doubt PS would go through the trouble of coming up with additional roles if it was a Killer + Symp game. Meanwhile, Killer + Evil Coroner (who doesn't know the Killer) is seriously nerfed. So, from the game balance perspective, looking at the numbers, Killer + Coroner Symp looks to me like the only plausible setup.

vote Mockra

[Bek Okhan]

Oh one more thing. It's textbook coasting from Iparth and Kaschan so far.

[Alkend]

I don't like both Mockra and Serc, and I'd be okay with a Mockra lynch as well.

However, looking at the trains, both times Mockra followed Serc, so he's my preferred candidate.

[Gamelon]

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

*drumroll* mech spec time! There are 4 possible scum roles: Killer, Symp, Evil Coroner Symp, Evil Coroner. The maths of 7v3 makes the game heavily tilted towards scum, so I believe it's 8v2. I doubt PS would go through the trouble of coming up with additional roles if it was a Killer + Symp game. Meanwhile, Killer + Evil Coroner (who doesn't know the Killer) is seriously nerfed. So, from the game balance perspective, looking at the numbers, Killer + Coroner Symp looks to me like the only plausible setup.

Just to comment on this - firstly, I generally go for about 2.5v1 ratio when building games. This would mean there are definitely at least 2 scum roles, but the moment you start adding town roles, the game tilts back into town favourability, so it would not be outside the realm of possibility that there could be 3 scum roles if there were enough town roles to balance that out.

I'm not saying you're definitely right or wrong, I'm just saying that your ratio only works in straight up M&P - town and killers with an occasional symp. Everything changes when you start adding town roles.

[Gamelon]

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

Oh one more thing. It's textbook coasting from Iparth and Kaschan so far.

^^^^^^^^
Definitely true.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

Oh one more thing. It's textbook coasting from Iparth and Kaschan so far.

^^^^^^^^
Definitely true.

Dead to rights.

[Gamelon]

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't like both Mockra and Serc, and I'd be okay with a Mockra lynch as well.

However, looking at the trains, both times Mockra followed Serc, so he's my preferred candidate.

Your vote is currently on Serc isn't it?

I wouldn't mind voting Mockra, he's number 2 on my suspected scum list. So I'll flip if it's needed. I'd certainly like to hear from everyone first though.

[Mockra]

I also admit that my initial thoughts on setup matched these of Bek here, I'm still not convinced however.

I don't exactly like Gam's vote but it doesn't seem awfully scummy to me, one thing

Gamelon, on 24 March 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 March 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 22 March 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

Not exactly, you read it right in that I've noted the post from Gamelon, but I still think Mockra is more likely scum at the minute, based on my feelings on the post quoted and sercs interactions

Cue violent flashbacks. This feels like reading my own posts when I'm scum.


vote Fanderay

He's basically saying "this is totally something I'd do if I was scum." Great, but you're not Fanderay. Just because you would play it that way, doesn't mean he would. It's not much, but there's something there that niggles.

I disagree, except for meta basically every argument here is a variation of "he's playing just like people would play if they were scum".

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't like both Mockra and Serc, and I'd be okay with a Mockra lynch as well.

However, looking at the trains, both times Mockra followed Serc, so he's my preferred candidate.

Your vote is currently on Serc isn't it?

I wouldn't mind voting Mockra, he's number 2 on my suspected scum list. So I'll flip if it's needed. I'd certainly like to hear from everyone first though.

Yet you're already securing the lynch, where were those worries on D1?

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

I disagree, except for meta basically every argument here is a variation of "he's playing just like people would play if they were scum".

I mean, not really... If you take the time to read the posts I made at end of day Friday (just before weekend freeze) you'll see that my case on Serc, and you, rests basically on the fact that you immediately tried to discredit Fanderay's healer reveal. And then speed lynched him the next day without allowing much discussion. And now that Fanderay has flipped innocent, Serc is scrambling, so making a "symp" case on Fanderay instead, you know, so that it fits in his version of events. Those are all patently scummy things to do. Not things I would do as scum, necessarily, but behaviours that pretty much anyone should agree is scummy behaviour.

EDIT: added 'necessarily' to last sentence.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 27 March 2017 - 07:28 PM

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't like both Mockra and Serc, and I'd be okay with a Mockra lynch as well.

However, looking at the trains, both times Mockra followed Serc, so he's my preferred candidate.

Your vote is currently on Serc isn't it?

I wouldn't mind voting Mockra, he's number 2 on my suspected scum list. So I'll flip if it's needed. I'd certainly like to hear from everyone first though.

Yet you're already securing the lynch, where were those worries on D1?

What are you talking about? I didn't even vote on Day 1. I am voting now because of two game days' worth of anecdotal evidence that has me believing that I am right in my belief. No one is at L-1. If Serc were to reach L-1 before close to the end of the day, I would remove. In the meantime, I am declaring my intentions loud and clear, with a vote and everything. Like a proper little townie.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

I don't like both Mockra and Serc, and I'd be okay with a Mockra lynch as well.

However, looking at the trains, both times Mockra followed Serc, so he's my preferred candidate.

Your vote is currently on Serc isn't it?

I wouldn't mind voting Mockra, he's number 2 on my suspected scum list. So I'll flip if it's needed. I'd certainly like to hear from everyone first though.

Yet you're already securing the lynch, where were those worries on D1?

What are you talking about? I didn't even vote on Day 1. I am voting now because of two game days' worth of anecdotal evidence that has me believing that I am right in my belief. No one is at L-1. If Serc were to reach L-1 before close to the end of the day, I would remove. In the meantime, I am declaring my intentions loud and clear, with a vote and everything. Like a proper little townie.

Where was that on D1?

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

Where was that on D1?

Where was what?

[Kaschan]

Back and getting caught up. Just haven't had much time to play this game so far.

[Kaschan]

What is the current vote count?

So I think Mac's self vote was odd. I don't recall him doing that very often. Even so... speculating that he was the symp is pointless. Let me reread the op.

[Kaschan]

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

Haven't read up yet but he was going to be lynched anyway so how would he through more suspicion out there. His reveal did not add up for numerous reasons.

I can actually think of numerous reasons why you wouldn't believe Fandy's reveal. The fact that we have an evil coroner in play is one that makes me doubt the cf. The last game that Mac was playing healer, he did not pick no shows like Hanas.

So far Serc's play looks more townie to me. I was finding Gamelon's overreactions a bit scummy before, but now he seems to be pushing a bit too hard for a Serc lynch.

vote Gamelon


I'd possibly consider a Mockra lynch as well.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 07:43 PM, said:

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

Where was that on D1?

Where was what?

You being the proper townie

I'm saying you're being the opposite of your D1 and I'm doubtful about your motivations

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on 27 March 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

What is the current vote count?

Should be

+/- 15 hours left

2 Serc (Alkend, Gamelon)

2 Gamelon (Serc, Kaschan)

1 Mockra (Bek)

[Okaros]

Mockra, on 27 March 2017 - 09:27 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 March 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

What is the current vote count?

Should be

+/- 15 hours left

2 Serc (Alkend, Gamelon)

2 Gamelon (Serc, Kaschan)

2 Mockra (Okaros, Bek)

FTFY.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 13 hours and 1 minute remaining
7 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Mockra ( Okaros, Bek Okhan )
2 Votes for Serc ( Alkend, Gamelon )
2 Votes for Gamelon ( Serc, Kaschan )

Players not voted: Mockra