[Path-Shaper]

The attendants arrive in the morning to find an extra body in the morgue they didn't expect to be there.

Iparth Erule is dead. He was Andorion, and Innocent.

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It is Day 3. 48 hours remaining
7 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

[Alkend]

Well, well...

[Bek Okhan]

What the fuck was that Mac?

I don't have the energy to think about what happened here today, will get back to this tomorrow.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 36 hours and 33 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

[Alkend]

Morning, all.

Gonna attempt a re-read to get this clusterfuck figured out.

[Alkend]

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute since time out


10 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Fanderay )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule, Alkend, Serc, Mockra )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Okaros

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Day has timed out without a lynch. It is now night in the hospital.

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours and 49 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Okaros ( Alkend )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Fanderay )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Iparth Erule



Fanderay has been lynched. He was Macros, and Innocent.

Waiting on ST to resolve as I'm about to start work
-Mess

Now resolved
-ST

Here's the 2 trains. Serc and Mockra last 2 votes on Day 1, and then Mockra follows Serc again on Day2.

Serc's been pushy on Day 1, playing loose with his votes, as if he didn't really care who'd get lynched. But on Day 2, he was very quick to organize a train on a revealed healer.

vote Serc

[Gamelon]

I don't disagree that they're both suspicious, Alkend, so I'm gonna have a look at them (and perhaps a couple more people) and how they acted/reacted to some of the bigger things that have happened so far this game - for example, Day 1 in general, the original Fanderay train, the healer reveal, and the Day 2 Fanderay train.

Serc did lots of bouncing around during Day 1, he called me out on my contradictions, backed off once he got some responses and moved on. He was doing what a good townie should do, and that's try to elicit reactions from people which we can then use to make judgments later in the game.

When I look at Mockra, I see posts like this one:

Mockra, on 23 March 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Bek made some valid points about Fande that I agree with but I don't find them as suspicious, although I haven't agreed with nearly anything Fande said and I wouldn't have a better alternative either way so I have no problem with voting that way. I should be more active from now on.

He basically says he doesn't really find Fanderay that suspicious, then goes on to vote him. Granted this was a little under 2 hours before end of Day 1, it just feels to me like he was just getting a vote out so that it didn't look like he hadn't voted. His reasoning is not very good.


Next, I think that we HAVE to look very closely at Bek too. He was the first to post about how Fanderay's reveal was suspect. Granted a lot of us piled on those suspicions, it was really Bek that started it all.

Bek Okhan, on 23 March 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

I don't buy Fande's reveal at all. It was late and desperate. And fake reveal would be a go-to scum tactic for this game, since CFs are only supposed to show faction, not the actual role - so even if there is a counterclaim, it cannot be verified. Interesting that there was no Kill though. Since I suspect there is only one Killer, that would imply successful Guard.

Mind you, it's Serc's post that sort of put the nail in the coffin for me:

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

Not had much time as I'd like today. Fanderay reveals as healer when at L1 with 30 minutes left in the day. Just smells of desperation. Now I would 100% not want a counter reveal, I suggest we lynch Fanderay. This is why..

Quote

Doctor: You work tirelessly to keep your patients alive.
- Twice during the game, you may select an alt that you would like to heal. If that alt is targetted by a Killer at night, they will not die.
- You will be informed after each night how many heals you have remaining.
- You will not be informed if a kill was averted as a result of your actions.
You will CF as 'Innocent'.

He is telling us that he used one out of his two heals on a player who had one post and could be mod-killed. That is way too far fetched. As a healer with only two uses surely you'd save them for when the probability of the heal working would be high. Like on a guard reveal later in the game or something like that.
Vote Fanderay

I was pretty on the fence about whether or not to believe Fandy until that post. That shoved me firmly in the the "it's a fake reveal" yard.

Anyway, Fanderay flipped Inno, so I can only assume that his healer reveal was also true. If that's the case, I still think Hanas would not have been MY choice. That being said, given the lack of death on Night 1, it could very well have been a good choice. It could also very well have been scum withholding to paint Fanderay as likely fake reveal. Which brings me back around to Bek and Serc. Bek who immediately called Fanderay out as a likely fake reveal, and Serc who used that momentum to basically nail the coffin shut.

So Day 2 starts, Bek points out that it seems like a fake reveal, Serc agress and pushes it one step further with the quoting of the role PM which convinces me, though I withheld my vote to let more of the day go by, then Kaschan votes for him. Hanas is modkilled, Fanderay acts all surprised, Mockra jumps on the train. Okaros ten puts him at L-1 with just about 38 hours left in the day. That right there rubs me the wrong way.

That being said, on that train, I feel like Serc and Mockra are instrumental to pulling people along. Another thing that I noticed that really rubs me the wrong way is Serc's insistence that there was no kill on Night 1 because of a guard:

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

I see what Fand is saying re no night kill but why would the killer/s target Hanas as well? That scenario seems far fetched, more likely a guard got lucky.

I mean, it's possible that there's a guard in the game, but there was no reason to believe that during Day 2.

Alright, so after all that, my top three candidates for scum are Serc, Mockra and Bek, in that order.

I'm gonna try to look at them in different ways now, particularly in how they acted and reacted to players I know are town (namely myself and Fandy).


EDIT: Edited to remove tags.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 27 March 2017 - 04:33 PM

[Gamelon]

Ugh, sorry about tags folks... I've no idea why that happens now and again.

[Gamelon]

Okay, so a few things that stand out to me as scummy in some way or another.

Mockra, on 20 March 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

Alright I've spent last few minutes freaking out about the scum:town ratio but I'm calm now, it's a list of roles that MAY be in the game. Anyway the lack of

Quote

As long as both of you are alive, you may have off-thread communications with _____.

line in killer's PM makes me think they're alone (yes I've read this

Path-Shaper, on 20 March 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

Any of the above roles may be in the game individually or as a pair.

) and their fellas are either symp+cf or just the evil promotable cf symp.

So right off the bat, Mockra is trying to push the idea that scum don't know each other. Maybe he is scum and wants to try to have town believing that his team isn't as strong as it is?

I've already commented on the following, but I think it bares repeating:

Serc, on 21 March 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Not much on thread so far, but I see Gamelon!


Vote Gamelon

Smelled it, dealt it.

This is an easy Day 1 excuse to vote for someone. I called him out on it, and he eventually backed off and started going after confirmed townie Fanderay, but scum love to jump on easy Day 1 lynches.

Next we have the first time Bek votes for Fanderay:

Bek Okhan, on 22 March 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 22 March 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

Not exactly, you read it right in that I've noted the post from Gamelon, but I still think Mockra is more likely scum at the minute, based on my feelings on the post quoted and sercs interactions

Cue violent flashbacks. This feels like reading my own posts when I'm scum.


vote Fanderay

He's basically saying "this is totally something I'd do if I was scum." Great, but you're not Fanderay. Just because you would play it that way, doesn't mean he would. It's not much, but there's something there that niggles.

The following is just one of those posts that says "I'm participating, but there's no real content in my message because I don't want to commit to anything too strongly until I see where the thread is going to point itself."

Bek Okhan, on 22 March 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 March 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 22 March 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

I don't like Gamelon's play. His posts are overly dramatic, without making any salient points. He questions everyone's cases, but has not placed his own vote. He's running up a post count, but says mostly nothing.

Basically, feels like he's symping and ought to be ignored.

If you think he's symping then who is he symping? Maybe he wants to be ignored?

Oh, look, another scum tell. Now I have a dilemma, whether to stick to Fanderay or switch to Kaschan.

The question of 'Who are they symping' is a fallacy. Or, more likely, feigned ignorance to make people bloat the thread with pointless speculation. Early in the game, you won't be able to tell who the symp is symping, because as long as they can direct the thread or create chaos, they don't need to explicitly protect their leader.

I made a bit of a mistake in my last post. Yes Bek is the first to say something about the Fanderay reveal AFTER Day 1 timed out, but the very first shadow of doubt cast on the reveal came from Serc:

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 06:39 AM, said:

Iparth Stiles contribution is interesting.
Or not.
Talk a bout a drop in and drive by.
And alkends is just....


I'm not sure what I have to defend here, I've made my feelings clear, I think Mockra is suspicious and serc was deflecting from him.
I've noted Gamelons post that I didn't like and noted how Alkend seems to be massively deflecting for him. So for me it's a mockra or Gamelon vote today, but personally I think Mockra because Gamelon has been too verbose and visible of the (imo) two options

Here you were on 3 votes with no other option on the table. This is where you should have revealed so that we could move on to a better target.

Not with under 40 minutes left in the day. There is no way we can lynch elsewhere, but this looks like a last ditch attempt to save yourself.

That being said, the post from Bek that I quoted above basically echoes this almost exactly. So it could be that Serc is inno and Bek took the ball and ran with it, or that Serc is scum, and Bek was an inno that was taken in by Serc's craftiness. I doubt that both would be scum, however.

Next we have a post from Mockra where he's already trying to set up the next day's lynch:

Mockra, on 23 March 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

if you are going to lynch me fucking lynch me so I can get on with my life

Yeah nothing has made me change my opinion so far


vote Fanderay

My next candidates would be Gamelon and IE but either way I don't think we could move on easily with your presence hanging around here like this

This is classic scum tactics. Always wedge in some "even if you're inno, you need to be lynched to clear the air," followed by a "but I definitely think our next targets should be ...." So subtly trying to point town towards other townies, maybe?

And finally:

Bek Okhan, on 23 March 2017 - 11:57 PM, said:

What the fuck was that Mac?

I don't have the energy to think about what happened here today, will get back to this tomorrow.

Where you at Bek? I'd like to hear more from you.

Anyway, all that and my likely scum list doesn't change one bit, so....

vote Serc




EDIT: Fixed the tags issue

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 27 March 2017 - 04:45 PM

[Gamelon]

What the actual fuck with those tags man!!! Why does that keep happening?

[Path-Shaper]

Weekend freeze should have started at midnight GMT, but I was away from my computer. Backdating it now.

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It is Day 3. The clock has been frozen with 22 Hours and 40 Minutes remaining.


7 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Serc ( Alkend, Gamelon )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

[Bek Okhan]

Uh, things have been shit, sorry for not participating on Friday. I should have a bit of time this evening to do a read-through.

[Serc]

Busy in work, will try to read up later. May not be able to give 100% though until tomorrow.

[Serc]

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

[Alkend]

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

[Path-Shaper]

The weekend freeze is over. The timer will now resume.

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It is Day 3. 22 hours and 40 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Serc ( Alkend, Gamelon )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

[Serc]

Alkend, on 27 March 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 March 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

You are right Alkend, I did want to lynch Fanderay because I did not believe his reveal. I still don't. Think on that a little.

If you think I am the best choice today then go for it, I want to read up more before I comment further and finding the time may be a bit problematic. If no one else presents anything then just lynch me and move on with the game.

So you think he was a symp? For who?

Haven't read up yet but he was going to be lynched anyway so how would he through more suspicion out there. His reveal did not add up for numerous reasons.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 21 March 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

I think role spec is generally bad. But that is a stretch.
Seeking a handy day one lynch?

Fanderay, on 21 March 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Omgus
vote serc

Not Answering your questions?

I never said your vote lynched him, I asked you if you were seeking (probably suggested more than asked tbf) a handy day one lynch.
I was not defending him in any shape or form, if anyone did it's alkend.

I would like to point to out that mockra actually started the role spec and Gamelon was pacifying him so if anyone serc should have been voting mockra.
I would ace my vote there also

I think from here, Fanderay pointed at both Mockra and I for being scum.

Since then that has been his focus.

Serc, on 21 March 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Not much on thread so far, but I see Gamelon!

Vote Gamelon

Smelled it, dealt it.

Maybe because I voted for Gamelon first.

I'll need to read up further, which I will try to do, but I suspect Gamelon is scum and Fanderay may have been his symp. That is probably why today he is eager to jump on the first vote that arrived.

[Gamelon]

As far as I'm concerned, Fanderay's reveal has been the next best thing to confirmed - he was VPI and likely the healer.

The more you push the "reveal was fake" angle, the happier I am with my vote on you, Serc.

[Gamelon]

Gamelon, on 27 March 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

As far as I'm concerned, Fanderay's reveal has been the next best thing to confirmed - he was VPI and likely the healer.

The more you push the "reveal was fake" angle, the happier I am with my vote on you, Serc.

That should have read CI and very likely the healer.