[Okaros]

Alkend, on 14 March 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

Where are you getting that Kaschan is 100% town thing from?

I want to try and nail the recruiter today. I am not going to bandy back and forth with you over trying to nail a recruit. That is hopeless and not a win scenario for us. I do not think that the beast has 3 people in his team. I assume that one of the recruiters at least have tried to recruit me and failed.

I am going to read what Gamelon/Ment was saying as he kept a level head.

[Okaros]

Iparth Erule, on 10 March 2017 - 06:55 AM, said:

Serc, on 10 March 2017 - 05:25 AM, said:

Serc, on 10 March 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Hanas is a recruiter, Kaschan isn't

vote Hanas
Good night.

Aaah. I think I see. I'm willing to believe this, but I'd like to know the source of your info. Is it a find, or are you fed information?

Err... Alchohol and exhaustion don't mix well.

Why do you want to know if Gamelon is the direct source or not? Not knowing means a recruiter takes the risk that it isn't Gamelon when they (inevitably) target Gamelon.

Vote Hanas

Iparth voted Hanas after Gam's reveal. I know he ended up on Gamelon but we can rule Iparth out of being Hanas' recruit.

That leaves him potential recruiter or beast recruit. I will come back to him but I am thinking recruit at best. At the moment.

[Okaros]

Trake, on 10 March 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

Serc, on 10 March 2017 - 07:55 AM, said:

The other thing I've been thinking about that involves the Hanas recruiter info, is which leader is he? Operating from a WCS situation, I no longer believe that just lynching any old recruiter will solve the issue for town.

The WCS score right now should amount to 4town/2Dagon/3Beast.

If we lynch Dagon's recruiter we shut them down, but Beast recruits either one of us or the Dagon follower placing us at either 3Town/1Dagon/4Beast or 4Town/4Beast. Neither of those are scenarios that are likely for us as town or Dagon Cult to come out on top.

I hate to propose it, but I think Town and Dagon need to work together to ferret out the Beast Recruiter today or that's game.

If you work with us here, that'll strand Beast with 2 members and lets you recruit a third to your cause which gives us possibility of 3town/3Dagon/2Beast, OR 4town/3dagon/1beast which are numbers that are much more favorable and puts the outcome of the game back into the air instead of essentially securing it for Beast Cult.

So what do you say Obed? Do you want to give your Cult a chance at taking home the prize or do you want to keep hiding and let the Beast cult beat us both to submission?

This is a toughie. I agree with your WCS. But at the same time I wonder if this doesn't confirm that Hanas is indeed a recruiter and you're scurrying trying to save them, having been recruited by them. Because your post appears to be skirting the edges of saying that lynching Hanas WILL mean lynching the Dagon recruiter.

Trake leaves his vote on Hanas at the end of the day so definitely not a Hanas recruit either. So similar boat to Iparth. We do know that the other recruiter will want his nemesis lynched if possible. So moves Trake up to possible leader.

[Okaros]

Alkend, on 10 March 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

Waaaait a minute. Either I'm missing something or this whole thing smells bad.

Gamelon is kinda-sorta revealing as a Finder... but looking at the character descriptions leads me to think that our Finder was vigged N1. In which case the only way Gam could point at someone as a recruiter with confidence is if they're a recruiter themselves and failed to recruit because they hit someone recruitproof. Hanas, however, claims town gossip so they wouldn't be recruitproof, ergo, whatever the fuck is happening here is a pile of bullshit.

I'm not sure sure about Hanas, will make a read on them later today and wait to see if there's a counter-claim. I also don't see Kaschan as a recruiter. He hasn't played like one but even if he was and recruited Gamelon, Gam wouldn't be running around the thread shouting that Kaschan is not a cult leader.

Also, alarm bells go off for me every time someone jumps on a reveal without much consideration. Looking at you Serc and IE. Serc might have been recruited but is not a leader. IE, on the other hand, only keeps fueling my suspicion from early on in the game.

If I was to point fingers now, I'd say IE (surprise, surprise) with Gamelon as a possible other leader. Will need to have a good look at Hanas later today before casting my vote tho.

With Alkend voting Gamelon at the end of the day and also this nicely worded deflection has me thinking Alkend is/was a Hanas recruit. He spen t ALL weekend seemingly working through the thread to make that vote swing happen, and it did happen. Now, Alkend could very well be a recruiter and the way he is saying here that he smells shit and that he thinks Gamelon is a recruiter may be why he goes for him over Hanas. What also backs this up is Iparth voting for Gamelon instead of Hanas who was his initial choice.

Look at Iparth voting for Gamelon when earlier in the day he was voting Hanas. What changed his mind? Well I will look further into the day but right now alarm bells are ringing at Alkend.

[Okaros]

Mockra, on 10 March 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

Back and after reading the reveals, I went back and reread the town roles. With the PI dead, none of the other characters comes off as a finder to me. I think we need to lynch Gamelon. I have no idea on vote count though and don't want to drop a vote putting him at L1.

This is sound reasoning from Mockra.

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Okaros, on 14 March 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Alkend, on 14 March 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

Where are you getting that Kaschan is 100% town thing from?

I want to try and nail the recruiter today. I am not going to bandy back and forth with you over trying to nail a recruit. That is hopeless and not a win scenario for us. I do not think that the beast has 3 people in his team. I assume that one of the recruiters at least have tried to recruit me and failed.

I am going to read what Gamelon/Ment was saying as he kept a level head.

You do realize that your math doesn't add up? Yes, Beast has had a failed attempt at recruitment - otherwise the game would have ended by now. But with one failed recruitment on their side, we still don't have the numbers.

Okaros, on 14 March 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Alkend, on 10 March 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

Waaaait a minute. Either I'm missing something or this whole thing smells bad.

Gamelon is kinda-sorta revealing as a Finder... but looking at the character descriptions leads me to think that our Finder was vigged N1. In which case the only way Gam could point at someone as a recruiter with confidence is if they're a recruiter themselves and failed to recruit because they hit someone recruitproof. Hanas, however, claims town gossip so they wouldn't be recruitproof, ergo, whatever the fuck is happening here is a pile of bullshit.

I'm not sure sure about Hanas, will make a read on them later today and wait to see if there's a counter-claim. I also don't see Kaschan as a recruiter. He hasn't played like one but even if he was and recruited Gamelon, Gam wouldn't be running around the thread shouting that Kaschan is not a cult leader.

Also, alarm bells go off for me every time someone jumps on a reveal without much consideration. Looking at you Serc and IE. Serc might have been recruited but is not a leader. IE, on the other hand, only keeps fueling my suspicion from early on in the game.

If I was to point fingers now, I'd say IE (surprise, surprise) with Gamelon as a possible other leader. Will need to have a good look at Hanas later today before casting my vote tho.

With Alkend voting Gamelon at the end of the day and also this nicely worded deflection has me thinking Alkend is/was a Hanas recruit. He spen t ALL weekend seemingly working through the thread to make that vote swing happen, and it did happen. Now, Alkend could very well be a recruiter and the way he is saying here that he smells shit and that he thinks Gamelon is a recruiter may be why he goes for him over Hanas. What also backs this up is Iparth voting for Gamelon instead of Hanas who was his initial choice.

Look at Iparth voting for Gamelon when earlier in the day he was voting Hanas. What changed his mind? Well I will look further into the day but right now alarm bells are ringing at Alkend.

I'm not gonna waste time on convincing you I've not been recruited, because it's not relevant relevant right now. Whether you believe I'm town or Hanas' recruit, we still need to go after Beast and you would need some serious brain gymnastics to label me Beast at this point, lol. Why don't you answer my question what makes you so sure Kaschan is town?

[Okaros]

Alkend, I do not think or care whether Kaschan is town. What I was saying, is that he started off as town because that is what Gamelon found. Therefore he is 100% not the recruiter.

[Okaros]

Try and find the recruiter. Find him and try and lynch him. If we cannot then we cannot but at least we tried. If there was not a way for us to win then we wouldn't be still playing. If we lynch a recruit what is to stop the recruiter from recruiting this night?

[Okaros]

Mockra, on 10 March 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

Ummmm that does look like a slip.

vote Gamelon

This is Mockra's reasoning for voting Gamelon. Now that does not tie in with this...

Mockra, on 10 March 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:

Back and after reading the reveals, I went back and reread the town roles. With the PI dead, none of the other characters comes off as a finder to me. I think we need to lynch Gamelon. I have no idea on vote count though and don't want to drop a vote putting him at L1.

Still reading up on players play. Post reveal.

[Alkend]

Okaros, on 14 March 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

Alkend, I do not think or care whether Kaschan is town. What I was saying, is that he started off as town because that is what Gamelon found. Therefore he is 100% not the recruiter.

Fair enough (even if disagree with the general reasoning)

Okaros, on 14 March 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

Try and find the recruiter. Find him and try and lynch him. If we cannot then we cannot but at least we tried. If there was not a way for us to win then we wouldn't be still playing. If we lynch a recruit what is to stop the recruiter from recruiting this night?

Being guarded or hitting someone recruitproof.

[Okaros]

Alkend, on 10 March 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

Ooh, that's getting interesting. It's awfully convenient that Hanas names two people who would obviously not provide any proof, but Gamelon claiming the same role as Hanas after trying to omit the role name before is an even further stretch. And yeah, call me an idiot, but it does look slippery af what you did there.

Gamelon is a reasonable choice atm, but I won't vote before a full re-read and that's still a few hours away.

It is choice words like this that point to you never really wanting to vote for Hanas. As a recruiter you'd be loving the wifom of yesterday to go for who you thought to be your enemy.

Those on the Gam train are definitely suspect as recruiter because of two reasons. The first that Gamelon was the other recruiter and you could eliminate him. The second was because he claimed finder and that could not be good for the other recruiter, especially as we already had one vig early in the game. So it might have not been possible that Gam would have died at night.

From the recruiter point of view, they had Hanas as a potential cultist, or Gamelon as a potential cultist or finder. I feel that that is spot on.

[Okaros]

Trake, on 10 March 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

I don't believe that you are a recruiter, Gamelon. The way you came out with the info when day started does not seem to me at all like something a recruiter might do.

However, that doesn't preclude you having been already recruited, and this being some other kind of play. The way you revealed your role was suspect. Though Hanas is hardly better in that respect. I'm not sure yet what to make of your seeming resignation to your fate. It's notable perhaps that Hanas, I don't think, has said anything similar.


So our options boil down to a few scenarios:

Lynch Gamelon, who turns out to be a finder, and then lynch Hanas (should, I think, still be doable, even in WCS).

Or our lynch today turns out to have hit a recruiter (either Gamelon or Hanas, though out of the two I see Hanas as more likely), and then, if we've lynched Hanas, mull over whether we should lynch Gamelon because he keeps repeating that it would be really bad for him to be recruited. Hanas describes his purported role quite differently, so they might be left in the same way Okaros and Serc have been, if Gamelon does indeed turn out to have been a recruiter.

Or we lynch Gamelon, who turns out to have been recruited by a cult, and then mull over what the fuck that means.


Which role reveal seems more likely? Hanas' description is more in line with how I would have imagined the role, given that there was already someone who sounded like a finder. At the same time, however, their explanation for a lack of proof for their role sounds like classic scummy bullshit. I'm going to read the role descriptions again.

For me right now, Hanas is either recruiter or town or recruited. But Gamelon is either town or recruited, but unlikely to be a recruiter because of their initial speedy info reveal. So Hanas is 67% probability of cult of some kind, and Gamelon 50%.

I am going to nail Trake as town side of thing because of this post. That is good reasoning from him. He is also not on the Gamelon train which is where I think the other recruiter will be.

[Okaros]

Trake, on 10 March 2017 - 04:10 PM, said:

Serc, on 10 March 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 02 March 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

Cast

Veronica Day
The Town Gossip

If there's one thing that the rash of murders and dark rituals from a few years back did, it was make gossip in Innsmouth VERY interesting, and Veronica Day was always a hub of information during those dark times. Now that the Brotherhood of the Beast has moved into town, things are starting to get shaken up again. Veronica loves the drama, and doesn't hesitate to let anyone know anything she may know!

The role description leads me to believe Gamelon's reveal over that of Hanas since the role flavor describes Veronica dealing in information. Beyond that, there is another Character Role that seems more likely to me to have the ability to create lover conversations:

Path-Shaper, on 02 March 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

Cast
Anastacia Beatrice Penelope Wyndhamm III
The Debutante

A debutante from one of the most important families in the fisheries business up north, she is here to spend he last summer before university at her parents' estate on the edge of Innsmouth. She is kind of oblivious to what's going on in the town, but she has certainly noticed the string of bad boys coming through, and if there's anything that she loves more than a bad boy, she doesn't know what it is!

Thanks for posting these here. Yes, now that I've read them again, I concur. The 'hub of information' bit sounds more like a finder than a lover connection maker.

See here, this cements my decision. He is of the mind that VD is more likely finder over lover connector.

[Okaros]

Alkend, on 10 March 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

I'm the debutante.

I don't think we're gaining much right now from debating over who might or might not have been recruited. First, with both leaders alive we don't gain anything from lynching recruits. Second, a cult has as much interest as we do in getting a rival leader, so the numbers are still not an issue.

I'm still thinking that we already lost the Finder, so I'm leaning towards Gamelon as one recruiter and possibly IE as the other. Need to go offline for a couple of hours - when I'm back I'll do a read on Hanas and decide.

I think you need to explain your role a bit more. What does the debutante do? This claim seems out of the blue in context of the thread. It is not needed at all when we are discussing both Gamelon and Hanas.

[Okaros]

It goes in your favour though because there could have been a counter reveal and I doubt very much that you get to know who you have recruited. I'll go with it for now. Takes you off my suspect list for the time being.

[Okaros]

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Alkend, on 10 March 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

I'm the debutante.

I don't think we're gaining much right now from debating over who might or might not have been recruited. First, with both leaders alive we don't gain anything from lynching recruits. Second, a cult has as much interest as we do in getting a rival leader, so the numbers are still not an issue.

I'm still thinking that we already lost the Finder, so I'm leaning towards Gamelon as one recruiter and possibly IE as the other. Need to go offline for a couple of hours - when I'm back I'll do a read on Hanas and decide.

If no one counters this, it narrows my suspect list for other recruiter to 3.

Right let me think on this more.

Obed - Hanas
Nyar
Henry - Fanderay
Anastacia - Alkend
Quick - Serc
Johannes
Dr - Okaros
Father - Bek
Frank
Walter
Veronica - Gam

Yes. I am going to believe you. I am thinking, even if you had two recruits then you would have two of Frank, Walter or Johannes, or Anastacia, that is a risky move to think you had recruited Ana over the others.

[Okaros]

The recruiter has to be Iparth or Mockra. I have eliminated you, Kasch and Trake so far.

[Okaros]

Mockra, on 10 March 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

First of all, I feel like Gamelon was trying to be too vague in not using his name. And second, that slip of his where he says "
And if we lynch Gamelon, we have 1/4 to pick the other recruiter. " is damned weird. Something is 100% not right about him talking about himself in the 3rd person and getting the "other" recruiter. I had my suspicions yesterday, and these posts just confirmed that for me.

Mockra may have wanted to get the other recruiter, what I find more interesting is his position on the Gamelon train. Recruiter Hanas first, then recruiter Mockra? If the recruiter gets on early then their followers can join the train as well.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Mockra, on 10 March 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Okaros, on 10 March 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

Straight up info dump. No explanation, lets us discuss it first. Sees what Hanas says and comes back.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Hanas is a recruiter, Kaschan isn't
vote Hanas
Good night.

Points out he is a finder, does not know what private investigator did, target is recruiter or recruited?

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

Simple. I'm a finder. Dunno what the PI's role was, but that's mine. I'm told if my target is a recruiter or not.

Day 1 I was suspicious of Kas, as you can see if you go back that far. He came back negative.

Yesterday I put in a find on Hanas (for meta reasons), and it came back as a recruiter.

With the WCS numbers being 5:3:2, I figured I didn't have long before I could be recruited, so no point in hiding info that can help town now. If I get recruited, there's still a 1/5 chance of getting the other leader tomorrow.

I'm running off to work, more in about 90 min

Very simple, and elegant. I would follow his vote here as we would normally test a finder reveal by lynching the result.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

I did not use my name since I assumed that'd be modkillable (y'know, it being part of the role PM and all). You'll notice that Okaros and Serc didn't name themselves either. But PS now tells m it's ok.

If you want my name... well, you're very clever, using my name, Hanas. Only in the lovely list of roles PS gave us there's no description of "make lover connections with others"

Of course, I know another piece of info about the set-up (it comes from what my role changes to if I'm recruited), but town is best off lynching me rather than having the recruiters hear it.

In fact, if we still have a vig, i'd suggest they use it on me tonight. Me being dead is much worse for cult than for the town.

When I revealed I did not put my name out there, just did not occur to me to do so. Serc did not either.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

Simple. I'm a finder. Dunno what the PI's role was, but that's mine. I'm told if my target is a recruiter or not.

Day 1 I was suspicious of Kas, as you can see if you go back that far. He came back negative.

Yesterday I put in a find on Hanas (for meta reasons), and it came back as a recruiter.

With the WCS numbers being 5:3:2, I figured I didn't have long before I could be recruited, so no point in hiding info that can help town now. If I get recruited, there's still a 1/5 chance of getting the other leader tomorrow.

I'm running off to work, more in about 90 min

Oh, and my math is wrong here.

WCS, it's 4:3:2 right now.

And if we lynch Gamelon, we have 1/4 to pick the other recruiter.

I blame not having had any caffeine yet. Gonna go rectify that now.

This slip suggests he is a recruiter and he is going to try lynch the other who he suspects is Hanas.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

Okaros, on 10 March 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

I did not use my name since I assumed that'd be modkillable (y'know, it being part of the role PM and all). You'll notice that Okaros and Serc didn't name themselves either. But PS now tells m it's ok.

If you want my name... well, you're very clever, using my name, Hanas. Only in the lovely list of roles PS gave us there's no description of "make lover connections with others"

Of course, I know another piece of info about the set-up (it comes from what my role changes to if I'm recruited), but town is best off lynching me rather than having the recruiters hear it.

In fact, if we still have a vig, i'd suggest they use it on me tonight. Me being dead is much worse for cult than for the town.

How would Hanas know your name? That is a bit of a stretch

He didn't know it. He tried to come up with a BS reveal that no one would be likely to counter. Nevertheless, I am in fact counterclaiming as the town gossip. It makes sense that the town gossip would be the most one, I guess (well, to Blend, at least)

As for the "slip", you're an idiot if you actually believe that's a scum slip.

Okay, off to get tea now. I've been awake for 2.5 hours with no caffeine and it shows.

Here he claims the same name as Hanas. His role is revealed differently to how Hanas revealed his.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

I've been staring at a kettle for 5 minutes before I realized it wasn't on (this one doesn't have a light on it). Fuck me, I'm not a morning person.

That being said, in the grand scheme of things, if you do lynch me know, then the recruiters are pretty fucked b/c they don't take advantage of gossip girl's passive ability, which is good. And my CF will point the 2 remaining town to lynch Hanas.

Mind, at that point it'll be highly numerically unlikely for town to win (unless Hanas' recruits will revert to town, but I wouldn't count on that).

But, as far as doing my best to help town win, I'll feel fairly satisfied with either outcome, as long as either me or Hanas are lynched today.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

Out of the 4 remaining suspects (Alkend, IE, Mockra, Trake), alkend's been the most reasonable and consistent. Trake, if recruiter would be playing very similar to Hanas, not sure what are the odds of both recruiters adopting same strategy.

IE and Mockra both suspicious, but IE is rushing less. When he was scum (symp) in the past, he was more decisive with voting.

It's a toss-up b/w Mockra and Trake for 2nd recruiter for me atm.

Those are my thoughts, gotta go do some work now, but I'll be refreshing sporadically.

It is pretty imperative that cult doesn't get me, so I'm okay with dying. If I survive to Day4, unless someone is willing to claim they stopped my recruit, you obv. should have treat everything I say with a major grain of salt.

If both me and Hanas survive somehow, it'd be a disastrous clusterfuck. Y'all gotta remove one of us.

It is possible that Gamelon could be the finder and be recruited. That way we wouldn't know his leader but he gives up the other cult.

First of all, I feel like Gamelon was trying to be too vague in not using his name. And second, that slip of his where he says "
And if we lynch Gamelon, we have 1/4 to pick the other recruiter. " is damned weird. Something is 100% not right about him talking about himself in the 3rd person and getting the "other" recruiter. I had my suspicions yesterday, and these posts just confirmed that for me.

Last cult game we had was Buffy where revealing names was a big no-no. In this game, prior to Hanas both Okaros and Serc didn't give character names. So I did alt either. I actually asked PS if I'd be modkilled if I did, since I was gonna use that argument against Hanas (he fake revealed, b/c if it was his real char he'd be modkilled), but then I was told name reveal is ok, so I used it.

The other "slip" ... yeah, I got nothing for you except I addled from no tea, and I saw the word "gamelon" too many times in prior posts. Not gonna make any fancy excuses.

Besides, you're my top suspect for other recruiter, so not much else to say to you

Gamelon states that he believes Mockra is his top suspect for other recruiter as well.

[Okaros]

Alkend, on 13 March 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

Okay, finally arrived at the reveals. Not gonna do nested quotes because it would be unreadable.

This is the sequence of events:
* Gam reveals Finder, fingers Hanas
* Hanas reveals Gossip, countervotes
* Hanas claims they opened lover convos with Bek Okhan and Gamelon, a corpse and an alleged recruiter. Super far fetched.
* Gam decides to claim something even more ludicrous and says Gossip = Finder. Effectively counterclaims Hanas.
* At L-2, Gam goes the JPK route of resigning themselves to a lynch. In a very JPK style, it turns the tide.

Hanas didn't really appear high on my potential recruiter list, but now that I've re-read them, I'm much less convinced. However, I just don't buy Gamelon's Finder reveal. Judging from the descriptions, PI looks like the Finder and it's very convenient to claim a role of someone who's dead if we don't have a definitive proof of what that role does. It's even more convenient to counterclaim the person who you're fingering as a cultist. What are the odds?

Now, a bit of WIFOM. I assume (this might be way off, but hey, WIFOM) that when a cult leader recruits, they learn the identity of their recruit. If Hanas was the recruiter and needed to fake reveal to counter Gam's bombshell, wouldn't they just choose to reveal as their recruit? Why even risk being countered - if indeed Hanas was a recruiter and Gamelon a Finder, how would Hanas have guessed Gamelon's role?

So, what I think has happened: Hanas hinted at Gamelon being a possible recruiter. Gamelon didn't react to that on-thread, but tried to recruit Hanas at Night to mitigate the risk. Recruitment failed, so Gamelon jumped to the conclusion that Hanas is the other recruiter and decided to act quickly. This gives us two possibilities:
* Gamelon is right and they're both recruiters
* Gamelon was guarded and that's why their recruitment failed.

In each scenario Gam is a recruiter, so I'm going to

vote Gamelon

Fucking hell. I just ruled you out of cult because of your reveal. Yet you are throwing that out there.