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MAFIA 138-RETURN OF DEATH NOTE MAFIA

#241 User is offline   Hanas 

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 02:22 AM

View PostAparal Forge, on 31 December 2016 - 02:13 AM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 December 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1.25 hours remain, 12 Players still alive: 7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.1 vote serc:, BO, 7 vote pallid:serc. mockra, Aparal forge, fanderay, hanas, pallid.ultamaPlayers not voted:Gamelon,tulas, Alkend, OmtoseAs per majority rulePallid has been lynchedPallid was Tatts and a detective (RI)Night order time



View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 December 2016 - 03:25 AM, said:

Night order done.Yall wake up to find that Bek Okhan, who was Mentalist and Raye penbar, one of the fbi agents, has been eliminated by kira (ironic since in the series thats the first policeman to die by kiras hands)


From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia...ers#Raye_Penber

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However, Light staged the event to get Raye's name so he could kill him. He has a fiancée, retired FBI agent Naomi Misora, whom he tells not to involve herself in the investigation for her own safety. Light manages to track him down and use him "as a pawn""
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I didn't get this earlier until I decided to bandy around the nameless fact. But then I looked at the lynch and death. If Raye was a "pawn" was HE the symp? I'm not sure if LP slipped up in his role pms, but the difference in the CFs strikes me as odd, and could debunk my theory on pallid. It could have been Tatts just being Tatts *groan*. Not sure if it is what I think, but I'd look into this and my train tomorrow.


I actually think we need not to speculate on this any further.

View PostAparal Forge, on 31 December 2016 - 02:16 AM, said:

Now go ahead and hammer so I can get my sh password. If I actually caught that in the CFs then I demand MOM.


If that's all then

vote Aparal Forge

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 02:54 AM

and thats a lynch.

Gimme a second
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Posted 31 December 2016 - 02:56 AM

It is day 2, .5 hours remain
10 players alives

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes for night

Players not voted:, Aparal forge, omtose

6 vote aparal forge:gamelon, ultama, tulas shorn, alkend, serc, hanas
1 vote serc:fanderay
1 vote gamelon:mockra


And Aparal forge was lynched, Aparal forge was another investigator (RI) and bliss


Game will resume monday 5pm GMT-5

Now to do night orders

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 31 December 2016 - 02:59 AM

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 02:59 AM

And Tulas Shorn was the victim of the night kills again.

He was another inspector and known as JPK
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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:20 PM

Happy New Year everyone! May your 2017s be merry and bright.

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 12:06 AM

Happy New Year!

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 01:16 PM

Happy new year all scummy bastards!

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 08:09 AM

PS is the clock running again?

People can we start talking please?

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 08:39 AM

View PostMockra, on 03 January 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

PS is the clock running again?

People can we start talking please?

I had planned on doing a bunch of rereading over the long weekend, but turned out I was crazy busy and didn't get much of a chance.

I have been doing a bit of thinking though. One player who has been going along smoothly without getting much heat is Hanas. It's been bothering me just how similar our thought processes have been...possibly why he was in my blind spot the first couple of days. So when I get a chance today I'm going to have a reread and see what jumps out. Might be a few hours before I have a chance to do that though, as I'm now back at work.

Who are you thinking about at the moment, Mockra?

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 08:44 AM

View PostFanderay, on 03 January 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

View PostMockra, on 03 January 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

PS is the clock running again?

People can we start talking please?

I had planned on doing a bunch of rereading over the long weekend, but turned out I was crazy busy and didn't get much of a chance.

I have been doing a bit of thinking though. One player who has been going along smoothly without getting much heat is Hanas. It's been bothering me just how similar our thought processes have been...possibly why he was in my blind spot the first couple of days. So when I get a chance today I'm going to have a reread and see what jumps out. Might be a few hours before I have a chance to do that though, as I'm now back at work.

Who are you thinking about at the moment, Mockra?

I'm worried about timing.

BCS: 2 scums initially or 2 scums and a symp who has already been lynched. Which would mean tomorrow would be D-day.

WCS: 2 scums and a sympp which would mean today is D-day.

Considering the fact that we should always acts if the wcs is correct, I think we should be very careful with our votes today.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:21 AM

View PostMockra, on 03 January 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm worried about timing.

BCS: 2 scums initially or 2 scums and a symp who has already been lynched. Which would mean tomorrow would be D-day.

WCS: 2 scums and a sympp which would mean today is D-day.

Considering the fact that we should always acts if the wcs is correct, I think we should be very careful with our votes today.

AIUI the killer in Death Note acts alone, so thematically it might make more sense to have a single killer + promotable symp combo. I think I agree with you on the WCS though, even if three scum in a 12 player game seems on the high side to me.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 12:03 PM

Clock is running, sorry guys was wisked away at the last minute for a cosplay group meetup than ended up running real long....

Good luck to all players
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Posted 03 January 2017 - 12:33 PM

View PostMockra, on 03 January 2017 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm worried about timing.

BCS: 2 scums initially or 2 scums and a symp who has already been lynched. Which would mean tomorrow would be D-day.

WCS: 2 scums and a sympp which would mean today is D-day.

Considering the fact that we should always acts if the wcs is correct, I think we should be very careful with our votes today.

Anyway, as important as it is to consider WCS and all that, presumably you have some thoughts on who might be scum as well? Care to share?

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 01:26 PM

I've had a look at Hanas' posts. A lot of their behaviour looks town-ish to me. At the back of my mind I'm wondering whether or not it's a front for a smooth talking scum, but for now I'd suggest looking at other targets. Here are some highlights:

- This post from day 1 is the sort of thing I wouldn't expect to see from scum, who like to keep their heads down. A same post vote/remove can often be jumped on by players looking for anything unusual to get the game moving.

- On Day 1, he was (correctly, as it turns out) skeptical of Tulas Shorn being scum. There could have been a lynch there if scum wanted to push it, but he didn't (admittedly, several others had already expressed similar sentiments on thread, so perhaps he was just following the way the wind was blowing).

- He was third on the train on Gamelon that built on Day 1 but didn't get there in time. Reasoning seems good enough at that point in the day (we were short on time). I think we can probably rule out a Hanas-Gamelon scum combination on this basis. Although it should be noted that since this point he has backed off Gamelon considerably, even going as far as to drop a vote on someone putting a case forward on Gamelon (Mockra).

- On Day 2 he started with a vote on Mockra. It didn't get much traction because everyone else seemed pretty focused on Aparal Forge. I found this post interesting because it was in a style (vote in the middle of a big post that seemed a little plumped up) that doesn't seem to mesh with his style of play (which seems to find long posts suspicious), but that's a fairly minor issue.

- He and Mockra are the only players that have actually tried to put any pressure on me. His first prod was to get me to share thoughts about who I don't have a read on, then later he disagreed on a reading of one of Mockra's posts. I like players who I can see asking questions on thread. It shows they're investigating and trying to get their head around the game. To me this feels like fairly reasonable town behaviour, since he seems to be coming to Mockra's defense, a player that he had previously dropped a vote on. (My real question is, why hasn't anyone else been doing it? Pressure and interactions are the key to this game, but few people seem to be trying to generate either!)

So, after all that I feel like Hanas isn't all that high up in my list of suspicions. There's a read of his behaviour that his Day 2 vote for Mockra could have been aggressive distancing, especially when coupled with his slight defense of Mockra later on in the day. That train never had any traction and he was able to step off it to drop the hammer pretty easily. But for now that's not my operating hypothesis.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 01:52 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 03 January 2017 - 12:03 PM, said:

Clock is running, sorry guys was wisked away at the last minute for a cosplay group meetup than ended up running real long....

Good luck to all players

Can we get confirmation when the clock started (or more importantly, when it will time out)? It will be useful come the end of the day.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 02:01 PM

I've been re-reading the thread with intention to look at Gamelon, who was my preferred lynch the other day, but the more I'm reading into it, the stronger I feel that our killer has been hiding in plain sight. Hey, Mockra.

Here, Mockra is the first to try focusing the thread's attention on someone. It's obviously weaksauce, but doesn't stop Mockra from trying to sow suspicion about Fanderay being a symp.

View PostMockra, on 27 December 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:

View PostFanderay, on 27 December 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

View PostMockra, on 27 December 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:

What's stopping you from doing it?


It seemed churlish not to offer everyone else the opportunity before diving in. After all, manners maketh man (or in this case, giant dog thing).

You didn't offer anyone anything.

You posted the easiest possible thing that would get you out of "low-poster" accusations 72 hours from now. At the same time putting yourself in a position to accuse others of the same thing. I don't think that's the optimal play for scum (it draws too much attention and it's too amateurish), but it is a lazy way to play town.

The other possibility is that you're the symp of course.


Shortly after people start pointing out that this is a nonsense accusation. So Mockra quickly retracts it, claiming it's offensive to think that he was even trying to make a case. Which is bullshit, because that's precisely what he was doing. It gets even more interesting further. Just look at tha list. There's barely any thoughts beyond the summary of what each player did. It's an easy way to look like you're analysing the thread, when all you're doing is regurgitating people's posts.

View PostMockra, on 28 December 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

TS does sound weird, but I think he is just a townie who has confused the "It's fine if you die as town" with "Roll over and die if you are targeted as town".

I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing.

I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:

Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.

Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.

Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.

Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.

Fanderay(0): He is annoying.

I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.

Vote Pallid

I will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.



Here is another list, very similar to the first, tho to be fair the later summary on Gamelon does hold up. The jab at me doesn't, which I have pointed out earlier already.

View PostMockra, on 29 December 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

Doing a quick reread of the Pallid lynch.

Vote 1: Serc, a joke vote. I didn't notice this vote on Pallid before I made my case and laid down my vote.

Vote 2: Me (Mockra), I thought Pallid's voting pattern on thread was suspicious. Added to the lack of any substance whatsoever to his posts made me vote him.

Vote 3: Alkend, this one swung to vote in Pallid's direction. At this point there were two votes on TS (Ultama and AP) and two votes on Gameleon (Fanderay and Pallid).
Hanas then proceeds to vote for Gameleon to balance the two trains.

Vote 4: AP switches their vote from TS.
Ultama proceeds to change their vote from TS to Gameleon.

Vote 5: Fanderay switches over from Gameleon to get a lynch.

Vote 6: Hanas switches from Gameleon to get a lynch.

Vote 7: Ultama Hammers.
I found AP's resistance to the Pallid lynch not that suspicious.

In this whole debacle, something didn't feel right at all. I remember seeing posts from Gameleon after Fanderay made their case and voted for Gameleon. He even defended himself by answering Fanderay's case. However, even though Gam was around when he was a viable candidate for a lynch (the 2-2-2 lock off with Pallid and TS after people started piling away from TS), they never voted for anyone to swing the train. This does not look like a town thing to do.

A normal townie would attempt to deflect the lynch train away from themselves (because they are sure of their own identity and unsure of other people's identities - Pallid demonstrated this perfectly during the lynch train by voting for Gam - It is even partly the reason OMGUS votes exist). Gameleon not doing this makes me suspect that he was unwilling to commit to swinging the lynch towards Pallid because he knew Pallid would CF town, and he didn't want to draw attention as the person who swung the vote to the other direction.

I'm going to

Vote Gameleon

for now.

I would note that the Ultama vote hopping to all three viable lynch trains and then hammering remarkable as well. However, I'm not sure if that is an overeager town or scum trying to fit in.


And here is the scummiest of them all. When AF is at L-2, Mockra states clearly that he is okay with the lynch (tho he doesn't seem overly concerned with who is going to be lynched anyway - makes sense if he's the killer) but reasonably does not lay the vote. Being this far on a train is a vulnerable position and Mockra decides to hedge that position first. So he pretty much secures the lynch with his support for the train, but tries to play a good guy with holding his vote for a little longer. He can afford that, because he knows his position is secure.

View PostMockra, on 30 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

I would be fine voting for AF to get a lynch. I will not do so right now because it would put him at L-1, but as long as no other person does something spectacularly stupid I believe AF would be as good a lynch as we are likely to get. Although I do feel the need to mention that I don't believe he is the best lynch for today (I've never seen scum acting so conspicuously before). His lynch will regardless provide valuable information to us.


Will be around more after work. For now:

vote Mockra

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 03:02 PM

So I did a read on Alkend

He has not really registered for me.

He has about 7 posts total, not very substantial at all. the longest one was contributing to the AF train.

He will bear watching. Playing a very quiet game. I will review the Hanas and Mockra readings

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 03:53 PM

I'm at work, so no more time for rereading right now, but something worth saying: we REALLY need to hear from Omtose today. We've got someone taking over for an inactive player, so whoever that is needs to be talking, getting their head in the game and contributing right now! Otherwise we have literally nothing to go on.

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 03:57 PM

Y'know, I think Ultama may have a very good point with Mockra

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 05:40 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 25 December 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 48 hours remain, timer is frozen

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted:Bek Okhan, Ultama, Gamelon, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Pallid, Mockra, Serc, Tulas Shorn, Fandera, Alkend, Omtose.



View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 December 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Pallid has been lynched

Pallid was Tatts and a detective (RI)



View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 December 2016 - 03:25 AM, said:

Night order done.

Yall wake up to find that Bek Okhan, who was Mentalist and Raye penbar, one of the fbi agents, has been eliminated by kira (ironic since in the series thats the first policeman to die by kiras hands)


View PostPath-Shaper, on 31 December 2016 - 02:56 AM, said:


And Aparal forge was lynched, Aparal forge was another investigator (RI) and bliss



View PostPath-Shaper, on 31 December 2016 - 02:59 AM, said:

And Tulas Shorn was the victim of the night kills again.

He was another inspector and known as JPK




Call me a suspicious fox if you will but the OP doesn't contain alphabetical list of the alts.

I note that PS is using MM.

I have been blindsided through inexperience before when noting a MM bug - in certain circumstances MM will list alts in the order you enter them therefore if you put in <town> then <scum> then it'll show that in the output order. Same if you put <roles> then <RI>


View PostPath-Shaper, on 25 December 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 48 hours remain, timer is frozen

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted:Bek Okhan, Ultama, Gamelon, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Pallid, Mockra, Serc, Tulas Shorn, Fandera, Alkend, Omtose.


I'm going to read up on Ultama and Gamelon in particular, whilst I see what y'all have been doing this last week

I'm aware that I'm last in the list with Fanderay and Alkend so I'll also look at them but given I know my PM I'm thinking it is Roled - RI.


This could be me going off on a tangent however but we do have 40-odd hours to work with

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