[Fanderay]

Omtose, on 03 January 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

Call me a suspicious fox if you will but the OP doesn't contain alphabetical list of the alts.

I note that PS is using MM.

I have been blindsided through inexperience before when noting a MM bug - in certain circumstances MM will list alts in the order you enter them therefore if you put in <town> then <scum> then it'll show that in the output order. Same if you put <roles> then <RI>

Path-Shaper, on 25 December 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 48 hours remain, timer is frozen

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted:Bek Okhan, Ultama, Gamelon, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Pallid, Mockra, Serc, Tulas Shorn, Fandera, Alkend, Omtose.

I'm going to read up on Ultama and Gamelon in particular, whilst I see what y'all have been doing this last week

I'm aware that I'm last in the list with Fanderay and Alkend so I'll also look at them but given I know my PM I'm thinking it is Roled - RI.


This could be me going off on a tangent however but we do have 40-odd hours to work with

Pretty sure PS isn't using the Mafia Manager - see this post:

Path-Shaper, on 29 December 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

ok i think someones suggestion of using the mafia manager is becoming more and more appealing.

[Ultama]

Oh, Omtose is still a thing. Nice to know.

Would be good to hear more from Serc and Alkend. If you're town, you're really not helping our case by laying this low.

Also, PS, can you post a timer?

[Path-Shaper]

Just got back, getting caught up


It is day 3, 23 hours remain (can extend if needed)
8 players alives

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes for night

1 vote mockra:ultama

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Mockra, serc,fanderay, alkend, omtose

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 January 2017 - 10:48 PM

[Path-Shaper]

OMG MM IS AWESOME!!!!!

[Fanderay]

So did you get anywhere with that rereading, Omtose? We need to hear from you at this point or you're being worse than useless.

[Mockra]

Ultama, on 03 January 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

Shortly after people start pointing out that this is a nonsense accusation. So Mockra quickly retracts it, claiming it's offensive to think that he was even trying to make a case. Which is bullshit, because that's precisely what he was doing. It gets even more interesting further. Just look at tha list. There's barely any thoughts beyond the summary of what each player did. It's an easy way to look like you're analysing the thread, when all you're doing is regurgitating people's posts.

1. I never retracted my accusation. Simply saying it was not a case. Retract means "I was wrong". It was not a case because symping accusations are the easiest things to throw around and lynching people because of them is idiotic.

2. I initially wrote down my thoughts and then realized I needed to cite my assertions. Quoting five posts from five different players would have made it very cluttered, so I summarized. It's common practice in academics to summarize the point of an author instead of a straight up quote.

Mockra, on 28 December 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

TS does sound weird, but I think he is just a townie who has confused the "It's fine if you die as town" with "Roll over and die if you are targeted as town".

I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing.

I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:

Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.

Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.

Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.

Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.

Fanderay(0): He is annoying.

I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.

Vote Pallid

I will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.

Here is another list, very similar to the first, tho to be fair the later summary on Gamelon does hold up. The jab at me doesn't, which I have pointed out earlier already.
So your point here is that I wrote down my thoughts on thread therefore I'm scum?

Mockra, on 29 December 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

Doing a quick reread of the Pallid lynch.

Vote 1: Serc, a joke vote. I didn't notice this vote on Pallid before I made my case and laid down my vote.

Vote 2: Me (Mockra), I thought Pallid's voting pattern on thread was suspicious. Added to the lack of any substance whatsoever to his posts made me vote him.

Vote 3: Alkend, this one swung to vote in Pallid's direction. At this point there were two votes on TS (Ultama and AP) and two votes on Gameleon (Fanderay and Pallid).
Hanas then proceeds to vote for Gameleon to balance the two trains.

Vote 4: AP switches their vote from TS.
Ultama proceeds to change their vote from TS to Gameleon.

Vote 5: Fanderay switches over from Gameleon to get a lynch.

Vote 6: Hanas switches from Gameleon to get a lynch.

Vote 7: Ultama Hammers.
I found AP's resistance to the Pallid lynch not that suspicious.

In this whole debacle, something didn't feel right at all. I remember seeing posts from Gameleon after Fanderay made their case and voted for Gameleon. He even defended himself by answering Fanderay's case. However, even though Gam was around when he was a viable candidate for a lynch (the 2-2-2 lock off with Pallid and TS after people started piling away from TS), they never voted for anyone to swing the train. This does not look like a town thing to do.

A normal townie would attempt to deflect the lynch train away from themselves (because they are sure of their own identity and unsure of other people's identities - Pallid demonstrated this perfectly during the lynch train by voting for Gam - It is even partly the reason OMGUS votes exist). Gameleon not doing this makes me suspect that he was unwilling to commit to swinging the lynch towards Pallid because he knew Pallid would CF town, and he didn't want to draw attention as the person who swung the vote to the other direction.

I'm going to

Vote Gameleon

for now.

I would note that the Ultama vote hopping to all three viable lynch trains and then hammering remarkable as well. However, I'm not sure if that is an overeager town or scum trying to fit in.

And here is the scummiest of them all. When AF is at L-2, Mockra states clearly that he is okay with the lynch (tho he doesn't seem overly concerned with who is going to be lynched anyway - makes sense if he's the killer) but reasonably does not lay the vote. Being this far on a train is a vulnerable position and Mockra decides to hedge that position first. So he pretty much secures the lynch with his support for the train, but tries to play a good guy with holding his vote for a little longer. He can afford that, because he knows his position is secure.

So you wanted me to hold the thread hostage, saying I would not vote for AF because I didn't think he was scum? Or did you expect me to immediately put my vote on him and end the day without letting people discuss this more? Because what I'm getting from your complaint is that I should have done one of those two things. I want you to note that my vote was on Gamelon that entire day and I made it clear who my preferred lynch target was at the beginning of the day. Even if my support could somehow change the train from AF to someone else, the nest day would be filled with people concerned with the resistance to an AF lynched and the same outcome would be reached.

Mockra, on 30 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

I would be fine voting for AF to get a lynch. I will not do so right now because it would put him at L-1, but as long as no other person does something spectacularly stupid I believe AF would be as good a lynch as we are likely to get. Although I do feel the need to mention that I don't believe he is the best lynch for today (I've never seen scum acting so conspicuously before). His lynch will regardless provide valuable information to us.

Will be around more after work. For now:

vote Mockra

I find your case weak, and I find careless vote on me during what could possibly be D-day suspicious. Especially since we have three people on thread of whom we know nothing (Alkend, Omtose, Serc).

[Mockra]

There are so many typos in my previous post that I'm just going to slam my head against a wall.

next not nest.
resistance to an AF lynch not lynched.
your careless vote not careless vote.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

A connection is not immediately evident, but I am suspicious about Serc lowposting and staying out of things while AF gets so much attention

So you don't have any connection between them, but you've decided you'd like to tie them together anyway. There is certainly scope for being suspicious of each individually, but what you've done here is apply some baseless speculation to try and sound more impressive/insightful. This is not the sort of behavior I'd expect from someone trying to root out the truth.

Well, I am sorry to have to disappoint you.

Its an operating hypothesis. I am going to be looking out to see if I can find any supporting evidence.

AF as symp, Serc as scum speculation (or vice-versa, I dunno).

Ultama, on 03 January 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

I've been re-reading the thread with intention to look at Gamelon, who was my preferred lynch the other day, but the more I'm reading into it, the stronger I feel that our killer has been hiding in plain sight. Hey, Mockra.

Ultama stops looking at Gamelon and starts looking at Mockra, so Gamelon...

Gamelon, on 03 January 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

So I did a read on Alkend

He has not really registered for me.

He has about 7 posts total, not very substantial at all. the longest one was contributing to the AF train.

He will bear watching. Playing a very quiet game. I will review the Hanas and Mockra readings

Moves on to Alkend for *gasp* low-posting.

Gamelon, on 03 January 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

Y'know, I think Ultama may have a very good point with Mockra

Now it's Mockra's turn in Gamelon's game of musical chairs.I get the sense that Gamelon has been throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. Looking for backing and when it's lacking he is keen on joining whatever train isn't on him (naturally).


Vote Gamelon until he talks me out of it.

[Mockra]

Serc, on 04 January 2017 - 03:56 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

A connection is not immediately evident, but I am suspicious about Serc lowposting and staying out of things while AF gets so much attention

So you don't have any connection between them, but you've decided you'd like to tie them together anyway. There is certainly scope for being suspicious of each individually, but what you've done here is apply some baseless speculation to try and sound more impressive/insightful. This is not the sort of behavior I'd expect from someone trying to root out the truth.

Well, I am sorry to have to disappoint you.

Its an operating hypothesis. I am going to be looking out to see if I can find any supporting evidence.

AF as symp, Serc as scum speculation (or vice-versa, I dunno).

Ultama, on 03 January 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

I've been re-reading the thread with intention to look at Gamelon, who was my preferred lynch the other day, but the more I'm reading into it, the stronger I feel that our killer has been hiding in plain sight. Hey, Mockra.

Ultama stops looking at Gamelon and starts looking at Mockra, so Gamelon...

Gamelon, on 03 January 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

So I did a read on Alkend

He has not really registered for me.

He has about 7 posts total, not very substantial at all. the longest one was contributing to the AF train.

He will bear watching. Playing a very quiet game. I will review the Hanas and Mockra readings

Moves on to Alkend for *gasp* low-posting.

Gamelon, on 03 January 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

Y'know, I think Ultama may have a very good point with Mockra

Now it's Mockra's turn in Gamelon's game of musical chairs.I get the sense that Gamelon has been throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. Looking for backing and when it's lacking he is keen on joining whatever train isn't on him (naturally).


Vote Gamelon until he talks me out of it.

Hey people, potential d-day. Put a little more thought and care into your case before voting someone.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

Right, to address both your concerns, the simple answer is that after talking Tulas off the ledge I fell asleep. I had already answered Fand's case to which he never really posted a rebuttal. As for my comment on nothing springing to the eye which seemed to tick people off, I meant that nothing had stood out except for the stuff I noticed last time (which Fand very kindly quoted in post 102). The exception was of course suicidal Tulas who I directly addressed. Now, all this AF stuff is pretty new to me, so if you will excuse me, I have some reading to do

Answer to my (and Fand's) pressure on him early yesterday:

I fell asleep.

Okay, fair enough.

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

But what I am really interested in is this underlined remark by Ultama. His attention is getting distracted due to AFs shenanigans. That reads like symp play to me. A whole lot of posts, some theories, but not a lot of sense to back it all up, but noisy so as to attract attention.

So I am currently reading AF as a symp

Quotes a bunch of posts and decides AF is symping somebody.

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 04:39 PM, said:

Omtose has been utterly absent I doubt he is scumSerc on the other hand has been keeping a very low profile

An aside about Omtose and Serc's lack of thread presence. Thanks, I guess? I agree with him but he never goes further than that.

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

But for the moment I am going to Vote Aparal Forge

Votes AP because he believes that AP was symping I guess?

Not considering the fact that the correct play is killing the master rather than the symp, this seems like really flimsy justification for a train that actually killed a person. Gamelon is basically voting somebody believing that person is going to turn out to be town.

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 05:25 AM, said:

So having had a look at Serc, he really has not done much. I am considering a noisy symp-quiet scum combo involving AF and Serc.Replying to Hanas, I voted AF as he was the only who struck me as scummy at that time. My vote is going to stay there until we get something new, hopefully from Serc. Also Mockra might bear scrutiny. That early labelling of Fand as symp irks me.

So Serc is the symp's master. Why didn't you vote Serc instead Gamelon? There was enough support on thread for a Serc lynch if you had made a case for that course of action, but you decided to go for the guy even you yourself believed would CF as town.


Gamelon seemed scummy on day 1 and is even more scummy right now. I think he is one of the better lynch targets we have. He already has a vote on him so I won't add mine for now.

Normally, I would be behind any low poster lynch at this stage of the game. After all, we know practically nothing from Omtose/Alkend and we've heard precious few words from Serc. The scum could be hiding among them and we have no way of making a case on them. But I'm not sure going that way would be the smartest course of action right now.

Thoughts?

[Fanderay]

Doing a quick bit of digging on Alkend (because let's face it,it doesn't take long). The thing that stands out to me is his consistency. He didn't like Aparal Forge on Day 1, and that opinion continued on Day 2. In fact, on Day 2 the only thing he talked about was lynching AF - first with a non-vote case and then possibly the most terse vote I've seen in a while.

So with that laser focus of his it's hard to see where he stands in relationship to everyone else. He picked Pallid over Gamelon in Day 1, and expressed vague misgivings about Serc...that's pretty much the sum total of his stated opinions about the other players who are still alive. Doesn't really seem like symp behaviour unless his master is attracting no heat (so Ultama or Hanas?). Could be super lowposting scum but at this point there's not really enough to go on there.

(Apologies for lack of quotes - on my phone)

[Gamelon]

Looking at Ultama, nothing too remarkable - early focus on Tulas, switch to Pallid, then he looked at me, and then switched to Aparal.

Medium posting, medium content. Very middle of the road.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 04 January 2017 - 03:56 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

A connection is not immediately evident, but I am suspicious about Serc lowposting and staying out of things while AF gets so much attention

So you don't have any connection between them, but you've decided you'd like to tie them together anyway. There is certainly scope for being suspicious of each individually, but what you've done here is apply some baseless speculation to try and sound more impressive/insightful. This is not the sort of behavior I'd expect from someone trying to root out the truth.

Well, I am sorry to have to disappoint you.

Its an operating hypothesis. I am going to be looking out to see if I can find any supporting evidence.

AF as symp, Serc as scum speculation (or vice-versa, I dunno).

Ultama, on 03 January 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

I've been re-reading the thread with intention to look at Gamelon, who was my preferred lynch the other day, but the more I'm reading into it, the stronger I feel that our killer has been hiding in plain sight. Hey, Mockra.

Ultama stops looking at Gamelon and starts looking at Mockra, so Gamelon...

Gamelon, on 03 January 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

So I did a read on Alkend

He has not really registered for me.

He has about 7 posts total, not very substantial at all. the longest one was contributing to the AF train.

He will bear watching. Playing a very quiet game. I will review the Hanas and Mockra readings

Moves on to Alkend for *gasp* low-posting.

Gamelon, on 03 January 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

Y'know, I think Ultama may have a very good point with Mockra

Now it's Mockra's turn in Gamelon's game of musical chairs.I get the sense that Gamelon has been throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks. Looking for backing and when it's lacking he is keen on joining whatever train isn't on him (naturally).


Vote Gamelon until he talks me out of it.

So, your main suspicion against me is that I am reviewing the play of other players? You know, the thing we are all meant to be doing?

Ok....

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 04 January 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

Right, to address both your concerns, the simple answer is that after talking Tulas off the ledge I fell asleep. I had already answered Fand's case to which he never really posted a rebuttal. As for my comment on nothing springing to the eye which seemed to tick people off, I meant that nothing had stood out except for the stuff I noticed last time (which Fand very kindly quoted in post 102). The exception was of course suicidal Tulas who I directly addressed. Now, all this AF stuff is pretty new to me, so if you will excuse me, I have some reading to do

Answer to my (and Fand's) pressure on him early yesterday:

I fell asleep.

Okay, fair enough.

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

But what I am really interested in is this underlined remark by Ultama. His attention is getting distracted due to AFs shenanigans. That reads like symp play to me. A whole lot of posts, some theories, but not a lot of sense to back it all up, but noisy so as to attract attention.

So I am currently reading AF as a symp

Quotes a bunch of posts and decides AF is symping somebody.

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 04:39 PM, said:

Omtose has been utterly absent I doubt he is scumSerc on the other hand has been keeping a very low profile

An aside about Omtose and Serc's lack of thread presence. Thanks, I guess? I agree with him but he never goes further than that.

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

But for the moment I am going to Vote Aparal Forge

Votes AP because he believes that AP was symping I guess?

Not considering the fact that the correct play is killing the master rather than the symp, this seems like really flimsy justification for a train that actually killed a person. Gamelon is basically voting somebody believing that person is going to turn out to be town.

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 05:25 AM, said:

So having had a look at Serc, he really has not done much. I am considering a noisy symp-quiet scum combo involving AF and Serc.Replying to Hanas, I voted AF as he was the only who struck me as scummy at that time. My vote is going to stay there until we get something new, hopefully from Serc. Also Mockra might bear scrutiny. That early labelling of Fand as symp irks me.

So Serc is the symp's master. Why didn't you vote Serc instead Gamelon? There was enough support on thread for a Serc lynch if you had made a case for that course of action, but you decided to go for the guy even you yourself believed would CF as town.


Gamelon seemed scummy on day 1 and is even more scummy right now. I think he is one of the better lynch targets we have. He already has a vote on him so I won't add mine for now.

Normally, I would be behind any low poster lynch at this stage of the game. After all, we know practically nothing from Omtose/Alkend and we've heard precious few words from Serc. The scum could be hiding among them and we have no way of making a case on them. But I'm not sure going that way would be the smartest course of action right now.

Thoughts?

So, to answer this "Why didn't he vote Serc" issue, I was reasonably sure that AF was a symp. His play was what I would expect of one. Serc attracted my attention due to his inactivity. I had no positive evidence on Serc at all. Therefore the AF vote

[Fanderay]

Gamelon - given the hypothesis that AF was a symp, it seems to me that the most likely master would be you. Reason being that (1) AF started kicking up a fuss on Day 1 right after you got a couple of votes on you (and in fact was one of the reasons we ended up lynching Pallid instead), and then (2) when Mockra dropped a vote on you on Day 2 she did the same again.

Now generally I like to avoid continuing to push a case on someone I went after on Day 1 on the basis that Day 1 votes are mostly random and the chances are that hypothesis developed after a few players have been killed are likely to be more accurate (textbook Monty Hall Problem scenario). But here I'm starting to think that you're the person that AF was trying to defend - there's certainly no reason for a symp to go off like AF did unless their master is in danger of some kind.

[Fanderay]

Mockra, on 04 January 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

Right, to address both your concerns, the simple answer is that after talking Tulas off the ledge I fell asleep. I had already answered Fand's case to which he never really posted a rebuttal. As for my comment on nothing springing to the eye which seemed to tick people off, I meant that nothing had stood out except for the stuff I noticed last time (which Fand very kindly quoted in post 102). The exception was of course suicidal Tulas who I directly addressed. Now, all this AF stuff is pretty new to me, so if you will excuse me, I have some reading to do

Answer to my (and Fand's) pressure on him early yesterday:

I fell asleep.

Okay, fair enough.

Just thought I'd go back through the timings here.

Gamelon's last post on Day 1 was at 18:23 GMT.
Day 1 was supposed to time out at 22:00 GMT

So Gamelon should have known he wouldn't be back before timeout and dropped a vote before he left. In addition, who goes to sleep at 18:23 GMT? It's too early for Europe, it's too late for Australia, it's too early for the US...

[Gamelon]

Fanderay, on 04 January 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

Mockra, on 04 January 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

Right, to address both your concerns, the simple answer is that after talking Tulas off the ledge I fell asleep. I had already answered Fand's case to which he never really posted a rebuttal. As for my comment on nothing springing to the eye which seemed to tick people off, I meant that nothing had stood out except for the stuff I noticed last time (which Fand very kindly quoted in post 102). The exception was of course suicidal Tulas who I directly addressed. Now, all this AF stuff is pretty new to me, so if you will excuse me, I have some reading to do

Answer to my (and Fand's) pressure on him early yesterday:

I fell asleep.

Okay, fair enough.

Just thought I'd go back through the timings here.

Gamelon's last post on Day 1 was at 18:23 GMT.
Day 1 was supposed to time out at 22:00 GMT

So Gamelon should have known he wouldn't be back before timeout and dropped a vote before he left. In addition, who goes to sleep at 18:23 GMT? It's too early for Europe, it's too late for Australia, it's too early for the US...

There are other continents you know...

[Ultama]

@Mockra:

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1. I never retracted my accusation. Simply saying it was not a case. Retract means "I was wrong". It was not a case because symping accusations are the easiest things to throw around and lynching people because of them is idiotic.

Let me get this straight. You're saying that you did not make a case, you simply accused? That sounds scummy to me.

Quote

2. I initially wrote down my thoughts and then realized I needed to cite my assertions. Quoting five posts from five different players would have made it very cluttered, so I summarized. It's common practice in academics to summarize the point of an author instead of a straight up quote.

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So your point here is that I wrote down my thoughts on thread therefore I'm scum?

Except this is not academia. This is Mafia, where you should state your opinions, make your points. Instead, you mostly summarize what other have said or done. And your line about academics is only another one where you want to sound analytical without actually doing any analysis. Also, how does the saying go? Scum loves lists?

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So you wanted me to hold the thread hostage, saying I would not vote for AF because I didn't think he was scum? Or did you expect me to immediately put my vote on him and end the day without letting people discuss this more? Because what I'm getting from your complaint is that I should have done one of those two things. I want you to note that my vote was on Gamelon that entire day and I made it clear who my preferred lynch target was at the beginning of the day. Even if my support could somehow change the train from AF to someone else, the nest day would be filled with people concerned with the resistance to an AF lynched and the same outcome would be reached.

What I'm saying is that with a player at L-2 you confirmed you would be voting for that player - essentially sealing their fate - but did not actually lay the vote until later in the day. That seems like scum trying to explain their position on a lynch train before the lynch is even done.

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Hey people, potential d-day. Put a little more thought and care into your case before voting someone.

In WCS, scum needs two townies to be wrong right now. Yet you don't see anyone flocking to the people with votes on to build trains on either you or Gamelon. Curious, huh?

[Gamelon]

Fanderay, on 04 January 2017 - 10:12 AM, said:

Gamelon - given the hypothesis that AF was a symp, it seems to me that the most likely master would be you. Reason being that (1) AF started kicking up a fuss on Day 1 right after you got a couple of votes on you (and in fact was one of the reasons we ended up lynching Pallid instead), and then (2) when Mockra dropped a vote on you on Day 2 she did the same again.

Now generally I like to avoid continuing to push a case on someone I went after on Day 1 on the basis that Day 1 votes are mostly random and the chances are that hypothesis developed after a few players have been killed are likely to be more accurate (textbook Monty Hall Problem scenario). But here I'm starting to think that you're the person that AF was trying to defend - there's certainly no reason for a symp to go off like AF did unless their master is in danger of some kind.

When AF starts his shenanigans I only had one vote on me. Hardly something to send a symp into a panic

[Ultama]

Gamelon, on 04 January 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 04 January 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

Mockra, on 04 January 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

Right, to address both your concerns, the simple answer is that after talking Tulas off the ledge I fell asleep. I had already answered Fand's case to which he never really posted a rebuttal. As for my comment on nothing springing to the eye which seemed to tick people off, I meant that nothing had stood out except for the stuff I noticed last time (which Fand very kindly quoted in post 102). The exception was of course suicidal Tulas who I directly addressed. Now, all this AF stuff is pretty new to me, so if you will excuse me, I have some reading to do

Answer to my (and Fand's) pressure on him early yesterday:

I fell asleep.

Okay, fair enough.

Just thought I'd go back through the timings here.

Gamelon's last post on Day 1 was at 18:23 GMT.
Day 1 was supposed to time out at 22:00 GMT

So Gamelon should have known he wouldn't be back before timeout and dropped a vote before he left. In addition, who goes to sleep at 18:23 GMT? It's too early for Europe, it's too late for Australia, it's too early for the US...

There are other continents you know...

Good job replying to remark that's much less important and skipping the crucial one. Yes, timing checks out (lame point Fandy, BTW), but we still don't know why you didn't vote.