[Gamelon]

 Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

 Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

A connection is not immediately evident, but I am suspicious about Serc lowposting and staying out of things while AF gets so much attention

So you don't have any connection between them, but you've decided you'd like to tie them together anyway. There is certainly scope for being suspicious of each individually, but what you've done here is apply some baseless speculation to try and sound more impressive/insightful. This is not the sort of behavior I'd expect from someone trying to root out the truth.

Well, I am sorry to have to disappoint you.

Its an operating hypothesis. I am going to be looking out to see if I can find any supporting evidence.

[Ultama]

Okay, looks like I haven't missed much. And the way I see it, Aparal only keeps digging themselves deeper and deeper into an indefensible position. First was the extremely thin D1 signalling case which they seem to stand by, against all reason. Then we have this:

 Aparal Forge, on 29 December 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

Not much to gain off the Pallid lynch other than resistance to the TS or Gamelon trains. Will have to look back at Bek to see if he ruffled any feathers other than Serc's. ATM, I'm still feeling like there was something about Pallid's TS vote... but I need to reread. If Pallid was TRULY RI, then why did he miss out on leaving some thoughts behind before offering a self-hammer vote?

AF trying to look at who could have potentially wanted Bek dead and thus venturing into WIFOM territory. And the not-so-subtle suggestion that Pallid was actually a symp.

I am not pointing at anything that Alkend hasn't highlighted before but I essentially agree with them so far about AF. Aparal has been busy building strawman cases and not much else, I'm happy to vote that way.

There is also the no-show Omtose, but they are probably approaching a modkill by now, so it feels like waste of a vote.

 Mockra, on 29 December 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

I would note that the Ultama vote hopping to all three viable lynch trains and then hammering remarkable as well. However, I'm not sure if that is an overeager town or scum trying to fit in.

Aparal had a whopping 0 votes on when I placed mine. I must have missed that 'viable lynch train'.

vote Aparal Forge

[Aparal Forge]

Now, given that we are now on day 2, I do find it interesting that while Pallid, TS and Gamelon were all tied at one point, the TS and Gamelon trains both stalled. Also considering that Alkend (who was on my short list yesterday) and Gamelon seem to be pushing the same game (me) today stands out to me. I would be willing to

vote Gamelon to see why there was resistance there.

[Ultama]

What do you mean Gamelon train stalled? YOU were around at timeout previous Day and YOU kept your vote on Pallid even as they were tied at 4 votes.

[Tulas Shorn]

Not only that, but he was the vital midpoint swing to the Pallid vote as the 4th vote on a train. With only an hour remaining it was 2-2-2, Alkend switched to Pallid and then AF followed suit.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Tulas Shorn, on 30 December 2016 - 05:16 PM, said:

Not only that, but he was the vital midpoint swing to the Pallid vote as the 4th vote on a train. With only an hour remaining it was 2-2-2, Alkend switched to Pallid and then AF followed suit.

And that was after Hanas came on and put Gamelon at 3 votes as well. The Gamelon vote sure as hell didn't stall. AF put the weight on and swung it to Pallid after putting in the work to set him up as false symp.

Vote Aparal Forge

[Tulas Shorn]

Quotes to support the above.

 Path-Shaper, on 28 December 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 1.25 hours remain, 12 Players still alive: 7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.1 vote serc:, BO, 2 vote pallid:serc. mockra2 vote tulas shorn:, ultama,aparal forge2 vote gamelon:fanderay, pallidPlayers not voted:Gamelon,hanas,tulas, Alkend, OmtoseMake sure you have your orders in people

 Alkend, on 28 December 2016 - 08:55 PM, said:

guess I'll vote Pallidone of my three, and currently on 2 votes

 Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

I would consider a switch to Pallid, but i thibk he's acting like a symp. I'll be on before timeout to change if i need to.

 Hanas, on 28 December 2016 - 09:21 PM, said:

Bek is probably the most supicious to me at the moment, middle road without causing any waves, but nobody else has expressed suspicions about them but I was waiting with my vote for what they will ahve to say when they come here and thought there's more time remainingI'd still like to vote for AF but Fande's "case" on Gamelon has some points and I would like to see Gam lynched rather than Pallid although Gam has only few connectionsvote Gamelon

 Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 09:35 PM, said:

if no one else is feeking Tulas, I prefer Pallid.remove vote vote Pallidim not confident on numbers at this point

[Aparal Forge]

 Ultama, on 30 December 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

What do you mean Gamelon train stalled? YOU were around at timeout previous Day and YOU kept your vote on Pallid even as they were tied at 4 votes.

I liked Pallid more, but my vote would not have gotten you to 7.

[Aparal Forge]

Those of you who are town that are voting me are going to feel pretty silly when you see my cf. Maybe then you will start looking at the players that I have been pointing out.

TS
Alkend
Gamelon
Serc?

Anyways work calls.

[Alkend]

I'll bite

vote AF

[Ultama]

 Aparal Forge, on 30 December 2016 - 05:26 PM, said:

Those of you who are town that are voting me are going to feel pretty silly when you see my cf.

Anything you want to tell us?

[Hanas]

 Alkend, on 30 December 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

I'll bite

vote AF

How did you interpret what AF said in the previous post?

[Fanderay]

It's worth noting that if Omtose's impending modkill goes through, AF would be at L-1. A lot of votes got dropped in a short space of time there!

But people are right to note that AF is a bit out of touch with reality here - it was a combination of him and Alkend voting for Pallid that meant we chose him over Gamelon. So his about face to finding TS and Gamelon suspicious is more than a little weird - voting train analysis only goes so far.

[Hanas]

 Mockra, on 29 December 2016 - 11:32 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 28 December 2016 - 03:38 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 28 December 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

TS does sound weird, but I think he is just a townie who has confused the "It's fine if you die as town" with "Roll over and die if you are targeted as town". I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing. I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.Fanderay(0): He is annoying. I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.Vote PallidI will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.

I too saw your "case" on Fande as testing them under pressure so it's supriising to see you're now calling them annoying and would like to vote them and for this reason, in your position I'd find those who called it a non-sense more annoying, not like that should be a good reason to vote even on D1

Thanks fucking god I made a gigantic post explaining my reasoning. Fadenray was annoying, Pallid was scummy. Learn to read.

Fair enough, I still don't like the annoying part even if you didn't vote that way(also apparently he didn't put Pallid to lead with his vote either). And since you've raised this point I feel like your posts are twice bigger than they really need to be.

 Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

 Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

 Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 05:25 AM, said:

So having had a look at Serc, he really has not done much.

I am considering a noisy symp-quiet scum combo involving AF and Serc.

Replying to Hanas, I voted AF as he was the only who struck me as scummy at that time. My vote is going to stay there until we get something new, hopefully from Serc.

Also Mockra might bear scrutiny. That early labelling of Fand as symp irks me.

What's your reasoning behind linking AF and Serc? I don't see any connection between them...

A connection is not immediately evident, but I am suspicious about Serc lowposting and staying out of things while AF gets so much attention

You could say this kinda thing about literally every imaginable couple of players here

[Hanas]

 Aparal Forge, on 30 December 2016 - 05:07 PM, said:

Now, given that we are now on day 2, I do find it interesting that while Pallid, TS and Gamelon were all tied at one point, the TS and Gamelon trains both stalled. Also considering that Alkend (who was on my short list yesterday) and Gamelon seem to be pushing the same game (me) today stands out to me. I would be willing to

vote Gamelon to see why there was resistance there.

 Aparal Forge, on 30 December 2016 - 05:24 PM, said:

 Ultama, on 30 December 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

What do you mean Gamelon train stalled? YOU were around at timeout previous Day and YOU kept your vote on Pallid even as they were tied at 4 votes.

I liked Pallid more, but my vote would not have gotten you to 7.

No, it would have gotten us to exactly 7.

But let's admit that from one part this is fucking hilarious.

[Serc]

Sorry about my absence. The last couple of days have been insane at work. Reading up now.

[Serc]

Fanderay - 44

Aparal Forge - 30

Hanas - 23


History tells us that scum rises to the top. AF has drawn plenty of attention so maybe he's our man. But maybe not.


So Tulas is now completely off the hook? How did that transpire? I don't like his "oh, woe is me" somehow translating to him being issued a PI pass so easily.

 Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 01:18 AM, said:

Thought I'd go and take a look at Serc. Wish we had more to go on, he's not really been that involved in the game. Partly that's because he turned up last night after the day timed out, and seemed to go silent once he realised we were in night. He's happy to do plenty of justification of his Pallid vote here despite relatively little pressure:

 Serc, on 28 December 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

 Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

 Bek Okhan, on 27 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

vote Serc
because of all the joke votes that one makes the least sense.

And Alkend's vote on Serc didn't bother you?

My vote for Pallid wasn't a joke. It was irritated mocking, at best (or worst). I don't like when people make an intro post followed by a damn vote post. Hell, just skip the intro post and get straight to the lazy vote post, why don'tcha?

Just like I said it would, that initial TS vote started a train. Yes, it petered out somewhat, but it's still going pretty strong as far as i can tell without a P-S vote tally to go by.

I'm not crazy about drawing two votes to myself as a result of my action, but with the way Pallid is hopping all over the place now, I like my vote where it is.

The only person who has voted for Serc is Bek Okhan, and he's now dead. So I'd like to hear more from Serc - what does he think about the rest of the players, are there any cases he agrees with, and why did he feel the need to justify his vote like this for no real reason?

Vote Serc

Come and talk to us.

I had two votes on me. And Bek claimed my Pallid vote was me "trying to fit in," when it was anything but. Next time I'll wait till I'm at L1 to reply to "relatively little pressure."


Also, to address Gamelon's assertion that there is an Apalar Forge/Serc connection: I checked, and there isn't one.

[Serc]

 Hanas, on 30 December 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:

 Alkend, on 30 December 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

I'll bite

vote AF

How did you interpret what AF said in the previous post?

I read is as "YOU'LL BE SORRY." About half the time, we are. The other half we're dancing a jig.

[Aparal Forge]

 Serc, on 30 December 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

Fanderay - 44

Aparal Forge - 30

Hanas - 23


History tells us that scum rises to the top. AF has drawn plenty of attention so maybe he's our man. But maybe not.


So Tulas is now completely off the hook? How did that transpire? I don't like his "oh, woe is me" somehow translating to him being issued a PI pass so easily.

 Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 01:18 AM, said:

Thought I'd go and take a look at Serc. Wish we had more to go on, he's not really been that involved in the game. Partly that's because he turned up last night after the day timed out, and seemed to go silent once he realised we were in night. He's happy to do plenty of justification of his Pallid vote here despite relatively little pressure:

 Serc, on 28 December 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

 Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

 Bek Okhan, on 27 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

vote Serc
because of all the joke votes that one makes the least sense.

And Alkend's vote on Serc didn't bother you?

My vote for Pallid wasn't a joke. It was irritated mocking, at best (or worst). I don't like when people make an intro post followed by a damn vote post. Hell, just skip the intro post and get straight to the lazy vote post, why don'tcha?

Just like I said it would, that initial TS vote started a train. Yes, it petered out somewhat, but it's still going pretty strong as far as i can tell without a P-S vote tally to go by.

I'm not crazy about drawing two votes to myself as a result of my action, but with the way Pallid is hopping all over the place now, I like my vote where it is.

The only person who has voted for Serc is Bek Okhan, and he's now dead. So I'd like to hear more from Serc - what does he think about the rest of the players, are there any cases he agrees with, and why did he feel the need to justify his vote like this for no real reason?

Vote Serc

Come and talk to us.

I had two votes on me. And Bek claimed my Pallid vote was me "trying to fit in," when it was anything but. Next time I'll wait till I'm at L1 to reply to "relatively little pressure."


Also, to address Gamelon's assertion that there is an Apalar Forge/Serc connection: I checked, and there isn't one.

Scum rises to the top? Usually they are coasting. Anyway, I completely agree with Serc here. WTF is Tulas and why is he being given a free pass? You fucktards can't possibly PI him because he was going to vote himself!

[Path-Shaper]

Tallying up votes in a bit.

Omtose rather than being modkilled is having a substitution.(substitute did not see spoiler heaven)

By nature of this, i won't be revealing the players name though i imagine youll all be able to construct educated guesses in time.