[Gamelon]

Omtose has been utterly absent I doubt he is scum

Serc on the other hand has been keeping a very low profile

[Gamelon]

But for the moment I am going to

Vote Aparal Forge

[Aparal Forge]

back again and reading up

[Aparal Forge]

Bek Okhan, on 29 December 2016 - 03:01 AM, said:

Omtose, on 25 December 2016 - 08:42 PM, said:

First

Omtose, on 25 December 2016 - 08:44 PM, said:

Of??

If maybe?

Omtose, on 25 December 2016 - 11:22 PM, said:

I suspect we have at least one ladder truck, two tankers, one pump truck, and 3 ambulances/emt vehicles.

Two arsonists and a fire watcher.

Omtose, on 25 December 2016 - 11:23 PM, said:

😇

Omtose, on 27 December 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Mockra, on 27 December 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 27 December 2016 - 01:00 AM, said:

So, the game is officially afoot! Anyone actually going to say anything now the timer is running?

What's stopping you from doing it?

Ooh, ooh. I knows, I knows!

He's shy?

Ok, I guess this is why I missed Omtose's existence.

Good point. He has contributed nothing.

[Aparal Forge]

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

Ok so AF seems to be a lot of noise but lacking a bit in substance and I think Fand and Hanas refuted him very effectively here.

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 08:04 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Well, i DID, but if it helps...

Pallid signals TS with a joke. Either Serc or Alkend's vote looks like a reaction to TS getting notice. Pallid removes and tries to make it look like his TS vote wasnt anything special.

TS realizes he's drawn too much heat too early, and moves to sacrifice himself for team scum, but lets hi self be talmed off the ledge.

OK, thanks. It feels much more likely to me that if a scum team see an early vote on one of the pair that they'd try and distance rather than leaping to the others' defence like that, so I'm not sure I buy your argument.

Do you have any opinions about the rest of the players? As a low poster up to this point it would be good to know more about how you feel about the game.

Hanas, on 28 December 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 08:10 PM, said:

Hanas, on 28 December 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Nice of you to join us, AF. So can you break down the sequence of events you think happened here a bit more? Are you saying that you think Serc and TS are partnered and Serc reacted to Pallid's vote with an immediate OMGUS by proxy? I'm not quite seeing where the Alkend-as-possible-partner comes from.

Well, i DID, but if it helps...

Pallid signals TS with a joke. Either Serc or Alkend's vote looks like a reaction to TS getting notice. Pallid removes and tries to make it look like his TS vote wasnt anything special.

TS realizes he's drawn too much heat too early, and moves to sacrifice himself for team scum, but lets hi self be talmed off the ledge.

That's too much assumptions to base a D1 case on, and how would his sacrifice help scum anyway?

Distancing because he pulled heat too early.

He could've distanced WITHOUT sacrificing himself, I really don't particularly like your sequence of one liners followed with the vote summary and this argument

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:

Hanas, on 28 December 2016 - 07:59 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 December 2016 - 05:39 PM, said:

So apparently I'm having tone issues again. That's ok. Like I said earlier, I'd rather live to play longer but my lynch will provide answers to town and close the case on me. I don't want that haunting town into day 2, because it will end up circling back to that.

vote Tulas

Is this a fucking joke? Answers to what precisely? That Pallid's vague suspicions about you being protected by Mockra even though you had no votes at yourself are wrong? Well what a worthy fucking trade! Hope you're at least roled so it's not so enormously unfair to scum. This can't be real, for fucks sake.
By creating this muddy shit you're now just drawing everyone's attention so that they can tell what a bs play this is. I'm aware what a crap labeling people symps at this point is but this kind of shit again can't be town play. But god knows I wouldn't bother typing this if I didn't think he's town.

So what do you suggest we do about this?

I said I think they're town, what am I supposed to do with townies that play shit?

But what I am really interested in is this underlined remark by Ultama. His attention is getting distracted due to AFs shenanigans. That reads like symp play to me. A whole lot of posts, some theories, but not a lot of sense to back it all up, but noisy so as to attract attention.

Ultama, on 28 December 2016 - 09:17 PM, said:

Back. And not even drunk :|

I don't get how Tulas' apparent giving it at L-million makes him look townie to people. I donn't like this kind of sad panda play and it makes me want to vote on him twice. Buuut there's this pile of nonsense Aparal treated us with and I just cannot walk past it:

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Nice of you to join us, AF. So can you break down the sequence of events you think happened here a bit more? Are you saying that you think Serc and TS are partnered and Serc reacted to Pallid's vote with an immediate OMGUS by proxy? I'm not quite seeing where the Alkend-as-possible-partner comes from.

Well, i DID, but if it helps...

Pallid signals TS with a joke. Either Serc or Alkend's vote looks like a reaction to TS getting notice. Pallid removes and tries to make it look like his TS vote wasnt anything special.

TS realizes he's drawn too much heat too early, and moves to sacrifice himself for team scum, but lets hi self be talmed off the ledge.

It's D1 banter and Aparal is making it look as convoluted as the plot in Westworld except not that interesting.

remove vote
vote Aparal Forge

So I am currently reading AF as a symp

If I were a symp then who am I symping? From Fanderay's posts it must be YOU.

I think from yesterday there was resistance to a TS lynch. It looked like most people were willing to PI him over his whiney self vote. I do not see this as town behavior. There could have also been resistance to a Gamelon lynch. While I thought the case on you yesterday was weak sauce, I am curious about which other players may have been avoiding you.

[Alkend]

Symp speculation and subsequent blinkering of thinking are a speciality of mine.

Going to read AF in isolation here

[Alkend]

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Nice of you to join us, AF. So can you break down the sequence of events you think happened here a bit more? Are you saying that you think Serc and TS are partnered and Serc reacted to Pallid's vote with an immediate OMGUS by proxy? I'm not quite seeing where the Alkend-as-possible-partner comes from.

Well, i DID, but if it helps...

Pallid signals TS with a joke. Either Serc or Alkend's vote looks like a reaction to TS getting notice. Pallid removes and tries to make it look like his TS vote wasnt anything special.

TS realizes he's drawn too much heat too early, and moves to sacrifice himself for team scum, but lets hi self be talmed off the ledge.

this was yesterday before the Pallid lynch train had really taken off.
its all bent at setting Pallid up as a RI flip and symp

Aparal Forge, on 29 December 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

Not much to gain off the Pallid lynch other than resistance to the TS or Gamelon trains. Will have to look back at Bek to see if he ruffled any feathers other than Serc's. ATM, I'm still feeling like there was something about Pallid's TS vote... but I need to reread. If Pallid was TRULY RI, then why did he miss out on leaving some thoughts behind before offering a self-hammer vote?

And this is just a follow on. I didn't like his stretching yesterday and now hes trying to pull it further to pull the TS train back online or get another started on Gamelon.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I wasn't a fan of his yesterday and rereading hasn't done much to change that

[Hanas]

Mockra, on 29 December 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:

Doing a quick reread of the Pallid lynch.

Vote 1: Serc, a joke vote. I didn't notice this vote on Pallid before I made my case and laid down my vote.

Vote 2: Me (Mockra), I thought Pallid's voting pattern on thread was suspicious. Added to the lack of any substance whatsoever to his posts made me vote him.

Vote 3: Alkend, this one swung to vote in Pallid's direction. At this point there were two votes on TS (Ultama and AP) and two votes on Gameleon (Fanderay and Pallid).
Hanas then proceeds to vote for Gameleon to balance the two trains.

Vote 4: AP switches their vote from TS.
Ultama proceeds to change their vote from TS to Gameleon.

Vote 5: Fanderay switches over from Gameleon to get a lynch.

Vote 6: Hanas switches from Gameleon to get a lynch.

Vote 7: Ultama Hammers.
I found AP's resistance to the Pallid lynch not that suspicious.

In this whole debacle, something didn't feel right at all. I remember seeing posts from Gameleon after Fanderay made their case and voted for Gameleon. He even defended himself by answering Fanderay's case. However, even though Gam was around when he was a viable candidate for a lynch (the 2-2-2 lock off with Pallid and TS after people started piling away from TS), they never voted for anyone to swing the train. This does not look like a town thing to do.

A normal townie would attempt to deflect the lynch train away from themselves (because they are sure of their own identity and unsure of other people's identities - Pallid demonstrated this perfectly during the lynch train by voting for Gam - It is even partly the reason OMGUS votes exist). Gameleon not doing this makes me suspect that he was unwilling to commit to swinging the lynch towards Pallid because he knew Pallid would CF town, and he didn't want to draw attention as the person who swung the vote to the other direction.

I'm going to

Vote Gameleon

for now.

I would note that the Ultama vote hopping to all three viable lynch trains and then hammering remarkable as well. However, I'm not sure if that is an overeager town or scum trying to fit in.

To be fair I don't see Gamelon's disapeparance as particularly scummy, it draws too much attention and I'd expect scum to be more cautios than that and I don't paritcularly like that you base your vote on that because I believe that at this point there are better choices to vote for than Gamelon. Coupled with the your D1 vote for Pallid with the "he's annoying" reasoning that put him to lead over Serc(possible partnership? probably would be too obvious imho but it's some connection) I'm going to

vote Mockra


Although now I'm curious why Gamelon votes for someone who they think is likely symp? Other options they mention are the lowposters, seems lazy to me.

Alkend, on 29 December 2016 - 07:54 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 07:55 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Nice of you to join us, AF. So can you break down the sequence of events you think happened here a bit more? Are you saying that you think Serc and TS are partnered and Serc reacted to Pallid's vote with an immediate OMGUS by proxy? I'm not quite seeing where the Alkend-as-possible-partner comes from.

Well, i DID, but if it helps...

Pallid signals TS with a joke. Either Serc or Alkend's vote looks like a reaction to TS getting notice. Pallid removes and tries to make it look like his TS vote wasnt anything special.

TS realizes he's drawn too much heat too early, and moves to sacrifice himself for team scum, but lets hi self be talmed off the ledge.

this was yesterday before the Pallid lynch train had really taken off.
its all bent at setting Pallid up as a RI flip and symp

Aparal Forge, on 29 December 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

Not much to gain off the Pallid lynch other than resistance to the TS or Gamelon trains. Will have to look back at Bek to see if he ruffled any feathers other than Serc's. ATM, I'm still feeling like there was something about Pallid's TS vote... but I need to reread. If Pallid was TRULY RI, then why did he miss out on leaving some thoughts behind before offering a self-hammer vote?

And this is just a follow on. I didn't like his stretching yesterday and now hes trying to pull it further to pull the TS train back online or get another started on Gamelon.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I wasn't a fan of his yesterday and rereading hasn't done much to change that

Interesting,there could be something to this, I didn't look at it from this angle last day.

[Hanas]

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

I would consider a switch to Pallid, but i thibk he's acting like a symp. I'll be on before timeout to change if i need to.

AF even had to repeat the symp thing before switching to Pallid

[Mockra]

Hanas, on 28 December 2016 - 03:38 PM, said:

Mockra, on 28 December 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

TS does sound weird, but I think he is just a townie who has confused the "It's fine if you die as town" with "Roll over and die if you are targeted as town". I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing. I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.Fanderay(0): He is annoying. I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.Vote PallidI will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.

I too saw your "case" on Fande as testing them under pressure so it's supriising to see you're now calling them annoying and would like to vote them and for this reason, in your position I'd find those who called it a non-sense more annoying, not like that should be a good reason to vote even on D1

Thanks fucking god I made a gigantic post explaining my reasoning. Fadenray was annoying, Pallid was scummy. Learn to read.

[Aparal Forge]

Hanas, on 29 December 2016 - 08:55 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

I would consider a switch to Pallid, but i thibk he's acting like a symp. I'll be on before timeout to change if i need to.

AF even had to repeat the symp thing before switching to Pallid

Yes, god forbid I should give an honest opinion before switching votes. *rolls eyes*. Better than some of the drive bys at the end of the lynch don't you think?

[Fanderay]

Thought I'd go and take a look at Serc. Wish we had more to go on, he's not really been that involved in the game. Partly that's because he turned up last night after the day timed out, and seemed to go silent once he realised we were in night. He's happy to do plenty of justification of his Pallid vote here despite relatively little pressure:

Serc, on 28 December 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 28 December 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 27 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

vote Serc
because of all the joke votes that one makes the least sense.

And Alkend's vote on Serc didn't bother you?

My vote for Pallid wasn't a joke. It was irritated mocking, at best (or worst). I don't like when people make an intro post followed by a damn vote post. Hell, just skip the intro post and get straight to the lazy vote post, why don'tcha?

Just like I said it would, that initial TS vote started a train. Yes, it petered out somewhat, but it's still going pretty strong as far as i can tell without a P-S vote tally to go by.

I'm not crazy about drawing two votes to myself as a result of my action, but with the way Pallid is hopping all over the place now, I like my vote where it is.

The only person who has voted for Serc is Bek Okhan, and he's now dead. So I'd like to hear more from Serc - what does he think about the rest of the players, are there any cases he agrees with, and why did he feel the need to justify his vote like this for no real reason?

Vote Serc

Come and talk to us.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2 just under 36 hours remain

10 players alives

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes for night

Players not voted: Serc Mockra, Aparal forge,ultama,tulas,alkend, omtose

1 vote aparal forge:gamelon
1 vote mockra:hanas
1 vote serc:fanderay
1 vote gamelon:mockra

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 December 2016 - 10:56 PM

[Gamelon]

So having had a look at Serc, he really has not done much.

I am considering a noisy symp-quiet scum combo involving AF and Serc.

Replying to Hanas, I voted AF as he was the only who struck me as scummy at that time. My vote is going to stay there until we get something new, hopefully from Serc.

Also Mockra might bear scrutiny. That early labelling of Fand as symp irks me.

[Fanderay]

Path-Shaper, on 30 December 2016 - 04:16 AM, said:

It is day 2 just under 36 hours remain

10 players alives

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes for night

Players not voted: Serc Mockra, Aparal forge,ultama,tulas,alkend, omtose

1 vote aparal forge:gamelon
1 vote mockra:hanas
1 vote serc:fanderay

You've missed Mockra's vote for Gamelon.

[Fanderay]

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 05:25 AM, said:

So having had a look at Serc, he really has not done much.

I am considering a noisy symp-quiet scum combo involving AF and Serc.

Replying to Hanas, I voted AF as he was the only who struck me as scummy at that time. My vote is going to stay there until we get something new, hopefully from Serc.

Also Mockra might bear scrutiny. That early labelling of Fand as symp irks me.

What's your reasoning behind linking AF and Serc? I don't see any connection between them...

[Gamelon]

Fanderay, on 30 December 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 05:25 AM, said:

So having had a look at Serc, he really has not done much.

I am considering a noisy symp-quiet scum combo involving AF and Serc.

Replying to Hanas, I voted AF as he was the only who struck me as scummy at that time. My vote is going to stay there until we get something new, hopefully from Serc.

Also Mockra might bear scrutiny. That early labelling of Fand as symp irks me.

What's your reasoning behind linking AF and Serc? I don't see any connection between them...

A connection is not immediately evident, but I am suspicious about Serc lowposting and staying out of things while AF gets so much attention

[Ultama]

Back and reading

[Fanderay]

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

A connection is not immediately evident, but I am suspicious about Serc lowposting and staying out of things while AF gets so much attention

So you don't have any connection between them, but you've decided you'd like to tie them together anyway. There is certainly scope for being suspicious of each individually, but what you've done here is apply some baseless speculation to try and sound more impressive/insightful. This is not the sort of behavior I'd expect from someone trying to root out the truth.

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 30 December 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

Back and reading

And what have you gleaned from your reading?