[Andorion]

Abyss, on 22 December 2016 - 05:56 PM, said:

I have definitely challenged negative opinions on the books, ...

But I don't do personal attacks and I don't argue anyone doesn't have the right to post their opinions or disagree with mine.


Except for Apt, but he's cold and dead inside and/or a Communist Cylon Ayn Rand cultist. Him I can disagree with just on principle.

So the space death ray is not a personal attack?

This post has been edited by Abyss: 23 December 2016 - 05:25 AM

[Abyss]

Apt, on 22 December 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

But seriously why not a papercut?

I disagree with you just on principle.

Andorion, on 22 December 2016 - 07:00 PM, said:

Abyss, on 22 December 2016 - 05:56 PM, said:

I have definitely challenged negative opinions on the book...

But I don't do personal attacks and I don't argue anyone doesn't have the right to post their opinions or disagree with mine.


Except for Apt, but he's cold and dead inside and/or a Communist Cylon Ayn Rand cultist. Him I can disagree with just on principle.

So the space death ray is not a personal attack?

Nah.
It's more of a general area attack with minimal radiation and incidental property damage.

This post has been edited by Abyss: 23 December 2016 - 05:26 AM

[Gorefest]

It turned me into a newt!

*surveys the confused glares*

I got better....

[Tsundoku]

Gorefest, on 22 December 2016 - 08:32 PM, said:

It turned me into a newt!

*surveys the confused glares*

I got better....

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This post has been edited by Captain Needa: 23 December 2016 - 12:57 AM

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Apt and Abyss, keep in mind that OP hasn't actually finished TtH yet.

[Abyss]

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 23 December 2016 - 01:30 AM, said:

Apt and Abyss, keep in mind that OP hasn't actually finished TtH yet.

Damn.
Acknowledged, tnx for the reminder, posts edited accordingly. Sorry Glass.

[Gorefest]

Although it begs the question: where did the user name originate from..?

[WinterPhoenix]

Genuinely loved this book when I read it, can't say what effect rereads will have on my opinion going forward but for now I can say that this is probably my favourite in the series, perhaps only beaten by Memories of Ice - both are incredible in my opinion.

The final 200 or so pages make for sublime reading, and I personally very much enjoyed most of the introspection and philosophising. As far as complaints go, Clip is one - I simply hate him, vehemently - and my biggest complaint (a personal greivance) is still that Traveller didn't school Karsa, I distinctly remember hoping there'd be conflict there, so disappointed they became fast friends I just don't like Karsa, never will.

I also wonder about the username though lol

This post has been edited by WinterPhoenix: 21 January 2017 - 01:00 AM

[Geoffrey Barker]

Alternative Goose, on 22 December 2016 - 12:13 AM, said:

Glass Desert, on 22 December 2016 - 12:02 AM, said:

This forum hasn't struck me as tolerant of negative views, but fuck that.

Not at all. I've been a pretty vocal critic of both Erikson's and Esslemont's writing for the past at least 6 years now. It's all about the way you present your opinion and how constructive you are. Nobody is going to want to hear some bum come in off the street and throw garbage at the author the rest of the forum has an appreciation for. Mangafox full version.


However if you introduce a little flair and charm you can usually win people over. Like that time I got all members of the forum past and present to agree that the Transformers films are cinematic masterpieces (It really happened. Why don't you believe me?).

Glass Desert, on 22 December 2016 - 12:02 AM, said:

In conclusion, I don't think I'll be picking up Kharkanas after this.
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The above aside, you're echoing my own feeling around the time I read Reapers Gale and Toll the Hounds.

I thought Reaper's Gale gave us blue balls because it pulled its punches in Lether and in TTH it just took the book way, way too long to get to the final convergence. Mind you, since you say you still have 1/4 of the book back, you're about to run into the books payoff. The last 200 pages of TTH are pretty spectacular.

But yeah, from TTH and forward the books become increasingly more philosophic and introspective and the stories (in my opinion) seem to lose the tightly knit world building and intrigue that made the first 5 books so great. I think Erikson became a better writer, TTH is very well written, but at some point the meta narrative blocked out the rule of cool.

You're not going to like where the rest of the books go. Kharkanas and Fall of Light are like Toll the Hounds on steroids.

On the other hand, Esslemonts latest book Dancer's Lament was a surprisingly good book. So you could go read that if you like.

I consider myself critical on some elements of SE's writing, and the philosophy (as people tend to call it) is one of them. I didn't enjoy TTH the first time. I finished it for the second time last week, and I have to admit: as a whole, this book is very good. I can only advise you to finish the whole series, and then, when you feel ready for it: reread.

[Gorefest]

It is a shame we never learnt how he felt about TtH upon finishing it.




And then there still is that username....