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Posted 20 October 2016 - 04:03 PM
Mockra, on 20 October 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Ok first Lio- largely a gut feeling and I posted it here:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:
Reading through the thread I guess I can't look at every single vote as that's wishy washy.
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:
Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:
@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:
Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Again I wasn't sure about Gait as lover at the time and had no issue with Lios actual case on him, I simply twinged on the fact he threw me in there when up until then I think I'd had little actual scrutiny from him or anyone. I've received a lot of scrutiny since because of this post but I think the real point was to set me up with the belief Gait would CF inno.
It's the kind of puppet string play I personally would go for were I playing scum.
Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
I too would love to know your reasons for each. Liosan especially.
Lol, you guys are cruel. Typing that stuff out takes time.
Someone really ought to tell him...
uhm? I missed something didn't I?
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 04:06 PM
Path-Shaper, on 20 October 2016 - 02:00 PM, said:
Liosan has been killed. He was Siergij and the town healer.
It is Day 3. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining
6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc, Telas
4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.
Players not voted: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc, Telas
It is Day 3. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining
6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc, Telas
4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.
Players not voted: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc, Telas
FUCK.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 04:07 PM
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:
Mockra, on 20 October 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Ok first Lio- largely a gut feeling and I posted it here:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:
Reading through the thread I guess I can't look at every single vote as that's wishy washy.
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:
Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:
@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:
Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Again I wasn't sure about Gait as lover at the time and had no issue with Lios actual case on him, I simply twinged on the fact he threw me in there when up until then I think I'd had little actual scrutiny from him or anyone. I've received a lot of scrutiny since because of this post but I think the real point was to set me up with the belief Gait would CF inno.
It's the kind of puppet string play I personally would go for were I playing scum.
Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
I too would love to know your reasons for each. Liosan especially.
Lol, you guys are cruel. Typing that stuff out takes time.
Someone really ought to tell him...
uhm? I missed something didn't I?
Yeah, something important.
Now I can't decide if this is Khell-level batshit brilliance to clear yourself as someone who doesn't give a damn, or actual ignorance
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 04:08 PM
Here I was thinking everyone was playing it cool with no night kill.
seriously don't know how I missed that post. I wasn't on during the lynch train on Aranatha because of work so now all that back reading was a waste. Fuck.
seriously don't know how I missed that post. I wasn't on during the lynch train on Aranatha because of work so now all that back reading was a waste. Fuck.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 04:09 PM
Mockra, on 20 October 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:
Mockra, on 20 October 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Ok first Lio- largely a gut feeling and I posted it here:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:
Reading through the thread I guess I can't look at every single vote as that's wishy washy.
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:
Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:
@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:
Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Again I wasn't sure about Gait as lover at the time and had no issue with Lios actual case on him, I simply twinged on the fact he threw me in there when up until then I think I'd had little actual scrutiny from him or anyone. I've received a lot of scrutiny since because of this post but I think the real point was to set me up with the belief Gait would CF inno.
It's the kind of puppet string play I personally would go for were I playing scum.
Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
I too would love to know your reasons for each. Liosan especially.
Lol, you guys are cruel. Typing that stuff out takes time.
Someone really ought to tell him...
uhm? I missed something didn't I?
Yeah, something important.
Now I can't decide if this is Khell-level batshit brilliance to clear yourself as someone who doesn't give a damn, or actual ignorance
Nope just plain level idiocy.
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Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:
With Serc feigning? ignorance over Liosan, if he is to be believed then it comes back to Mockra and Telas.
WCS it is still D day.
Serc, Mockra and Telas left.
One a killer, one a possible symp.
Who can be a symp of those 3 Mockra. Yet he did vote for Aranatha yesterday.
Who can be killer? Serc, Telas or Mockra.
I do not see Telas as a symp, he hasn't been influential, he could definitely be Ara's partner though.
Going off WCS I'd have to vote Mockra today, if it goes into one more day then we know 100% that symp is dead and we're just looking for the killer.
That'd leave Serc and Telas for the killer. Fuck, I don't like these odds at all. With Serc's "ignorance" over the Lio death then the choice may just be Telas.
I won't vote yet, I want people to poke holes in my logic.
WCS it is still D day.
Serc, Mockra and Telas left.
One a killer, one a possible symp.
Who can be a symp of those 3 Mockra. Yet he did vote for Aranatha yesterday.
Who can be killer? Serc, Telas or Mockra.
I do not see Telas as a symp, he hasn't been influential, he could definitely be Ara's partner though.
Going off WCS I'd have to vote Mockra today, if it goes into one more day then we know 100% that symp is dead and we're just looking for the killer.
That'd leave Serc and Telas for the killer. Fuck, I don't like these odds at all. With Serc's "ignorance" over the Lio death then the choice may just be Telas.
I won't vote yet, I want people to poke holes in my logic.
I wouldn't dismiss Serc as symp based on their ignorance
But I have to admit I also thought of Serc feigning it being an option
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Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 03:50 PM, said:
So you have come to a similar conclusion as to Kesso, that I could be symp which I cannot prove. hence my following Kesso's vote which you find strange.
yes, I find it strange to simply go with the flow like that. It's a good place to hide behind. Think scummy if you aren't already then think of how that can be an advantage especially if roled scum.
"PI knows whats happening, I'll follow him"
meanwhile you can't be blamed for following PI choices on RI CF's.
You'll always sit comfy on the lynch train with that reasoning backing you up.
It's a clever play which avoids the trouble looking like the swing voter tends to bring, as in the case I brought up on you earlier.
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look I've made my case on bendal and Mockra and to a wasted extent on Lio.
I was gonna add earlier Bendal CI's Lio and telas. Lio looked like the likelier killer to me.
That's pretty much all I've got. I'm gonna take a backseat from here.
I was gonna add earlier Bendal CI's Lio and telas. Lio looked like the likelier killer to me.
That's pretty much all I've got. I'm gonna take a backseat from here.
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Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 04:26 PM, said:
look I've made my case on bendal and Mockra and to a wasted extent on Lio.
I was gonna add earlier Bendal CI's Lio and telas. Lio looked like the likelier killer to me.
That's pretty much all I've got. I'm gonna take a backseat from here.
I was gonna add earlier Bendal CI's Lio and telas. Lio looked like the likelier killer to me.
That's pretty much all I've got. I'm gonna take a backseat from here.
So you have no opinion on Telas?
Interesting.
My own choices are (oddly enough), Bendal, Telas and Serc.
Serc has a big exclamation mark on him for not voting Aranatha. Add to this his "ignorance" of Leio's death, and you can see why I find him odd.
Bendal is odd. He started pushing really strongly towards the end of last day, and then he did the vote-remove vote thing on Aranatha, like he was having second thoughts. Today he's taking the backseat behind the lovers "because you all think I might be a symp". well, no it's actually a great position for the killer to be in- his symp is expendable, he doesn't care who dies as long as it's not him. That's clearly a winning position for him, if he is scum- and he's buttering up the 2 lovers by "trusting their vote" in the process.
Lastly, Telas. Yes, he voted and kept his vote on Aranatha. It could have been backfired distancing (I actually thought for a few minutes Lio's vote might've been that), but it seems a bit extreme. So Telas is the lowest on the suspect list.
As for Serc and Bendal, i'm having hard time picking.
Edited to add the smiley
This post has been edited by Mockra: 20 October 2016 - 04:45 PM
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It's bendal or serc for me.
I'm leaning into serc as more likely a symp and Bendal as verbose killer. hence where my vote will be going.
After going through the whole thread,a nd viewing a bit of isolations.
I see serc a few times asking what other players thought, and post where feels like he's missing something. He didn't vote Arantha, but was there not a world of time away after, this is why I'm thinking more symp, he can't vote for his master.
then theres this mess which just feels even more odd to me every time I read it
what is a Vengaboy?
https://www.youtube....?ci=FV0sW8wHxho
I wasn't quite ready for that.
So many conflicting emotions.
The downfall of Western Civilization is NEVER pretty.
Bendal is hiding in plain sight, tagging onto kessobahn, going as far as now to be willing to do whatever kesso thinks, gives him handwash if an RI turns up, and hey, he's on the arantha wagon sharpish when it happened.
I just wasn't getting an overly scummy vibe from Mockra going over everything again.
Yes I'm well aware that in a WCS this is DDay as we could have killer and symp still alive (and given who our dead pile is, symp down is unlikely at the minute). Serc I view as more likely the symp to Bendals master. Granted serc has mentioned Bendal and and a few cursory quotes and a bit of speculation but it hasnt ammounted to much.
Furtherance to this I am assuming worst case, so out of serc/bend/mock theres a 2/3 chance of nailing a scum, I see mock as the least scummy in there, and bendals pushing of other people to do what the lovers say really rubs me the wrong way.
vote Bendal
I'm leaning into serc as more likely a symp and Bendal as verbose killer. hence where my vote will be going.
After going through the whole thread,a nd viewing a bit of isolations.
I see serc a few times asking what other players thought, and post where feels like he's missing something. He didn't vote Arantha, but was there not a world of time away after, this is why I'm thinking more symp, he can't vote for his master.
then theres this mess which just feels even more odd to me every time I read it
Aranatha, on 17 October 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:
Serc, on 17 October 2016 - 09:23 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 17 October 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:
Serc, on 17 October 2016 - 07:35 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 17 October 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:
If your alone and you need a friend. Someone to make you forget your problems. Just come along, baby take my hand.
Gosh remember the vengaboys? Out of no where on the radio.
Gosh remember the vengaboys? Out of no where on the radio.
what is a Vengaboy?
https://www.youtube....?ci=FV0sW8wHxho
I wasn't quite ready for that.
So many conflicting emotions.
The downfall of Western Civilization is NEVER pretty.
Bendal is hiding in plain sight, tagging onto kessobahn, going as far as now to be willing to do whatever kesso thinks, gives him handwash if an RI turns up, and hey, he's on the arantha wagon sharpish when it happened.
I just wasn't getting an overly scummy vibe from Mockra going over everything again.
Yes I'm well aware that in a WCS this is DDay as we could have killer and symp still alive (and given who our dead pile is, symp down is unlikely at the minute). Serc I view as more likely the symp to Bendals master. Granted serc has mentioned Bendal and and a few cursory quotes and a bit of speculation but it hasnt ammounted to much.
Furtherance to this I am assuming worst case, so out of serc/bend/mock theres a 2/3 chance of nailing a scum, I see mock as the least scummy in there, and bendals pushing of other people to do what the lovers say really rubs me the wrong way.
vote Bendal
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If symp and killer are alive then thats a dangerous vote because both can hop on and win. The reason I didnt vote you on my last post was for that very reason. Youre conident enough to vote early on d day without hearing more from our two cis. Thats fucking terrible town play.
I can only think of you as scummy now.
I can only think of you as scummy now.
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Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 05:25 PM, said:
If symp and killer are alive then thats a dangerous vote because both can hop on and win. The reason I didnt vote you on my last post was for that very reason. Youre conident enough to vote early on d day without hearing more from our two cis. Thats fucking terrible town play.
I can only think of you as scummy now.
I can only think of you as scummy now.
I think your maths are off. 6 people, 4 votes to lynch, no?
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I'm sorry bendal, you started pushing that bullshit the second this day started.
This has been set up by yourself since you tipped at me and Arantha as lovers, so if arantha did go down you had a handy patsy to go for.
I voted Arantha day one because I didn't like his uptight response to a post from...kesso or Kadagar, the one where he said he would have voted if he cared. he did nothing to alleviate my suspicions there after.
Then on day two he hit the jackpot with a confused lol post, which was documented in the last game as my favourite and easy to spot scum tell. I called him on it the second I saw it, I stuck with my vote. I could ahve easily fallen in with the postgate that led up to gaits reveal (and I did feel gait was possibly sympish, said as much) But I stuck with Arantha.
Please, please explain that to me. That is not throwing a team mate under the bus to save yourself, its actively sticking with a player you think is scum. Your posting today has done nothing but confirm to me that you are team scum.
Why are you so panicky?
If I was scum, I wouldn't have picked you as a vote target as players have said they get (for some reason) town vibes from you, I would have went Serc/ Mockra as there's been suspicion fired at them both at various stages, would have been an easier sell.
No Bendal, I voted you because you wish us ill, you sir, are scum.
take it like a man
This has been set up by yourself since you tipped at me and Arantha as lovers, so if arantha did go down you had a handy patsy to go for.
I voted Arantha day one because I didn't like his uptight response to a post from...kesso or Kadagar, the one where he said he would have voted if he cared. he did nothing to alleviate my suspicions there after.
Then on day two he hit the jackpot with a confused lol post, which was documented in the last game as my favourite and easy to spot scum tell. I called him on it the second I saw it, I stuck with my vote. I could ahve easily fallen in with the postgate that led up to gaits reveal (and I did feel gait was possibly sympish, said as much) But I stuck with Arantha.
Please, please explain that to me. That is not throwing a team mate under the bus to save yourself, its actively sticking with a player you think is scum. Your posting today has done nothing but confirm to me that you are team scum.
Why are you so panicky?
If I was scum, I wouldn't have picked you as a vote target as players have said they get (for some reason) town vibes from you, I would have went Serc/ Mockra as there's been suspicion fired at them both at various stages, would have been an easier sell.
No Bendal, I voted you because you wish us ill, you sir, are scum.
take it like a man
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I thought three. Thank God for brains.
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Cross post with Mockra, exactly, its one vote, out of four required.
I get my vote out early, take a look through my history, when I sit back and hmmm and haw over things that's when you need to string me up
I get my vote out early, take a look through my history, when I sit back and hmmm and haw over things that's when you need to string me up
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Telas, on 18 October 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:
Doesn't wash General, there's been nothing but bullshit posted by anyone so far.
That said I'm more interested in Aranthas snappy reply about how he would have voted if he cared.
vote Arantha
Talk to me bitch
That said I'm more interested in Aranthas snappy reply about how he would have voted if he cared.
vote Arantha
Talk to me bitch
Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:
Telas, on 18 October 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:
Doesn't wash General, there's been nothing but bullshit posted by anyone so far.
That said I'm more interested in Aranthas snappy reply about how he would have voted if he cared.
vote Arantha
Talk to me bitch
That said I'm more interested in Aranthas snappy reply about how he would have voted if he cared.
vote Arantha
Talk to me bitch
Present.
"Bitch," is it?
I liked it better when I was the "loveable" Village Idiot.
So now that I'm channeling Mother Dark I'm a "bitch" to her inferiors.
All my replies are "snappy." Get used to it, Serc. <--Telas.
Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:
You spelt my name wrong. Fix it if you want your vote to count.
Telas, on 18 October 2016 - 02:27 PM, said:
Neener neener Arantha
Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:
Telas, on 18 October 2016 - 02:27 PM, said:
Neener neener Arantha
Don't compound your error with gloating.
It's not scummy, but it is unbecoming.
Telas, on 18 October 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:
We're about the 8 hour mark by my count.
I'm still happy with my aruntha vote, I don't really get the vote on omtose based a check in post.
I'm still happy with my aruntha vote, I don't really get the vote on omtose based a check in post.
This is the first back and forth between Telas and Aranatha. Now there is no way I am thinking Telas is being serious here. It all looks like flirtatious back and forth. This is the first instance. Then after the lynch what transpires between them?
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Telas, on 19 October 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:
Just home, was away all day in foreign lands, not going to rack up a data roaming bill for your guys, sorry.
Today is even slower than yesterday, and that's saying something. It looks like we're going to lose Eloth to a mod kill. Arantha's vote doesnt sit well with me giving the flippity floppy nature of their build up to it, but Hammering day one would be a ballsy scum.
regarding Gait, I actually was feeling them more of a symp, but needs a closer look regardless.
Sitting down to dinner here but will get these 3 whopping pages read again after
Today is even slower than yesterday, and that's saying something. It looks like we're going to lose Eloth to a mod kill. Arantha's vote doesnt sit well with me giving the flippity floppy nature of their build up to it, but Hammering day one would be a ballsy scum.
regarding Gait, I actually was feeling them more of a symp, but needs a closer look regardless.
Sitting down to dinner here but will get these 3 whopping pages read again after
Well before that. This post that he is saying Aranatha is a ballsy scum.
Hmmthat sounds to me like he isnt serious... butthen...
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 06:14 PM
It is Day 3. 31 hours and 45 minutes remaining
6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc, Telas
4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.
1 Vote for Bendal Home ( Telas )
Players not voted: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc
6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc, Telas
4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.
1 Vote for Bendal Home ( Telas )
Players not voted: Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Mockra, Serc
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
