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Telas, on 20 October 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:
BOOM
STILL GOT IT FUCKERS!
Someone else can find his buddy, Im at work
STILL GOT IT FUCKERS!
Someone else can find his buddy, Im at work
you get all the rep post game. All of it.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 02:40 PM
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:
The way they have been behaving I had pegged Telas and Aranatha as lovers. Fuck. This changes a whole lot of point of view.
Flip it on it's head. Paired killers. One high poster, one low poster. Telas voting Aranatha without a case based on gut may have thought we'd ignore it.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 02:44 PM
Telas, on 20 October 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:
BOOM
STILL GOT IT FUCKERS!
Someone else can find his buddy, Im at work
STILL GOT IT FUCKERS!
Someone else can find his buddy, Im at work
Your gut was apparently right this time, but I actually trawled through the thread, eliminating possibilities, making connections, eventually resulting in Aranatha being the common factor which substantiated it
So why don't you tell us what your gut says now, and I'll go do the busy work which will actually get people to vote for it, so that you don't have to shout at us in SH about why we didn't just follow your 'gut'
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 02:45 PM
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:
The way they have been behaving I had pegged Telas and Aranatha as lovers. Fuck. This changes a whole lot of point of view.
Flip it on it's head. Paired killers. One high poster, one low poster. Telas voting Aranatha without a case based on gut may have thought we'd ignore it.
Yes, it is a possibility and nothing should be discounted as yet.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
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Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
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Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:
I'll also note that is Bengal would be the last choice for scum for me
Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 11:30 AM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:
I'll also note that is Bengal would be the last choice for scum for me
Yeah we differ on this but I can see why Gait would be right.
This is what I'm refering to, I think I need that explained. I clearly am looking at bendal with a different set of glasses.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 03:14 PM
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Well for some reason, kesso thinks I could be a symp, which puts me at a disadvantage because anyone I want to lynch would be seen as wifom by him. If I follow his vote then it is his decision. For me, I'd start with Telas today.
He fits my profile of how I thought scum would play this game. One up high and one low. Telas has been fixated on one player the whole game, and that player turned out to be scum. How does that work? I've been flip flopping around because I don't know who scum is. Yet Telas has been confident from the start. That raises my hackles, especially since we got the scum CF. Maybe people see this differently, earlier Kesso said this may make Telas VPI.
Yet when people were accusing Aranatha you came up with this
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:17 PM, said:
Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:
Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
This looks like you being subtle about moving away from an Aranatha way of thinking, and you did not vote him on d day. Which looks bad for you.
If I am to trust Kesso's judgement on Mockra then you or Telas look to be Aranatha's partner.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 03:15 PM
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:
I'll also note that is Bengal would be the last choice for scum for me
Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 11:30 AM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:
I'll also note that is Bengal would be the last choice for scum for me
Yeah we differ on this but I can see why Gait would be right.
This is what I'm refering to, I think I need that explained. I clearly am looking at bendal with a different set of glasses.
In that particular post I'm actually saying I disagree with Gait and that Bendal is suspicious to me.
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Telas, on 20 October 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:
Bendal is by no means pi.
It's down to serc, mockra and bendal for me. I have an hour's work to do in the yard here now for da, then I'm going to reread all three.
It's down to serc, mockra and bendal for me. I have an hour's work to do in the yard here now for da, then I'm going to reread all three.
Nobody said he was. And no shit, it's almost like the four of you (Bendal, Mockra, Serc, Telas) have three suspects between you
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Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Ok first Lio- largely a gut feeling and I posted it here:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:
Reading through the thread I guess I can't look at every single vote as that's wishy washy.
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:
Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:
@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:
Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Again I wasn't sure about Gait as lover at the time and had no issue with Lios actual case on him, I simply twinged on the fact he threw me in there when up until then I think I'd had little actual scrutiny from him or anyone. I've received a lot of scrutiny since because of this post but I think the real point was to set me up with the belief Gait would CF inno.
It's the kind of puppet string play I personally would go for were I playing scum.
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
I too would love to know your reasons for each. Liosan especially.
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Telas, on 20 October 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:
Bendal is by no means pi.
It's down to serc, mockra and bendal for me. I have an hour's work to do in the yard here now for da, then I'm going to reread all three.
It's down to serc, mockra and bendal for me. I have an hour's work to do in the yard here now for da, then I'm going to reread all three.
Oh so the only people you do not suspect is Gait and Kesso?
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 03:31 PM
ok next is Mockra. His names been coming up ALOT.
I can see the stem of the attention revolving around the signaling situation between Gait and Mockra picked on by Lio which at the time seemed logical.
This is something that recent updates prove a bit of a stretch but I think the behaviour of Mockra was the main thing that caught my eye.
His activity against Arathans and Liosans don't perfectly match up but theres always an overlap. It might be timezones though. Still the activity towards the scum lynch from both seemed to rocket, as it was for me and bendal. Again excluding myself from the equation I think that is the most telling about Mockra.
I can see the stem of the attention revolving around the signaling situation between Gait and Mockra picked on by Lio which at the time seemed logical.
This is something that recent updates prove a bit of a stretch but I think the behaviour of Mockra was the main thing that caught my eye.
His activity against Arathans and Liosans don't perfectly match up but theres always an overlap. It might be timezones though. Still the activity towards the scum lynch from both seemed to rocket, as it was for me and bendal. Again excluding myself from the equation I think that is the most telling about Mockra.
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Lastly Bendal. this I'm specific about largely because of the jump onto me at a pivotal moment after which I was quite certain I was the lynch and started thinking in reverse gear trying to work out what the scum play was on me.
Fair enough. let's run with this.
Vote Serc
I'd switch to Mockra if others would prefer him.
now I think Kesso and I already talked about what he thought was scummy being that Vengaboys signal which Bendal said was a fish for an NK? I thought that particular response was a bit strange.
Actually Serc, I remember this post on day 1 raised my eyebrows. Random post, but with an underlying message? Made me immediately note them at the time as a possible symp.
Well I can clarify this for you Kesso. The next sentence in that song is what I was going for. I was hoping the killers may find it ambiguous enough to kill me for it. "I'll be your lover tonight". I do not mind trying to draw the NK when I don't have a role.
Then ofcourse istheres the ton of finger pointing in the last few hours of Day 2. I'm gonna link it because I want the key point not to be lost in my argument: http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1256235
now I can see this two ways. Bendal is playing eager, tooo eager. played that angle before so I can see the signs. the opposite is Bendal trying to muddy up the situation close to end of day as much as possible.
in my eye this all reads together as a strong argument for symp. some of it hinting at bendal trying to play outside the box with no connection to killer.
Seeing as Bendal did something similar I'd like to see which player Bendal himself made a point of avoiding much discussion with. I would expect either or both mockra and liosan would be in that category.
EDIT: Strikeout of grammatic error.
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 08:49 AM, said:
From my pov it looks like setting Lio up for the next day. Thanks Bengal something just clicked to me.
I really don't like Sercs response to Kesso. Asking for "advice" and being willing to discuss their standing out? I'm just thinking wtf is it. And then vote the for Lio. I'd say it looks towny but, not going with the flow when they could so easily, and going for the most likely target to be lynched tomorrow when I cf town. I think Serc and Mockra are scum setting up Lio. Smooth Serc most likely a killer.
Vote Serc
I really don't like Sercs response to Kesso. Asking for "advice" and being willing to discuss their standing out? I'm just thinking wtf is it. And then vote the for Lio. I'd say it looks towny but, not going with the flow when they could so easily, and going for the most likely target to be lynched tomorrow when I cf town. I think Serc and Mockra are scum setting up Lio. Smooth Serc most likely a killer.
Vote Serc
Fair enough. let's run with this.
Vote Serc
I'd switch to Mockra if others would prefer him.
now I think Kesso and I already talked about what he thought was scummy being that Vengaboys signal which Bendal said was a fish for an NK? I thought that particular response was a bit strange.
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:
Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:
Bendal Home, on 17 October 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:
If your alone and you need a friend. Someone to make you forget your problems. Just come along, baby take my hand.
Gosh remember the vengaboys? Out of no where on the radio.
Gosh remember the vengaboys? Out of no where on the radio.
Actually Serc, I remember this post on day 1 raised my eyebrows. Random post, but with an underlying message? Made me immediately note them at the time as a possible symp.
Well I can clarify this for you Kesso. The next sentence in that song is what I was going for. I was hoping the killers may find it ambiguous enough to kill me for it. "I'll be your lover tonight". I do not mind trying to draw the NK when I don't have a role.
Then ofcourse is
now I can see this two ways. Bendal is playing eager, tooo eager. played that angle before so I can see the signs. the opposite is Bendal trying to muddy up the situation close to end of day as much as possible.
in my eye this all reads together as a strong argument for symp. some of it hinting at bendal trying to play outside the box with no connection to killer.
Seeing as Bendal did something similar I'd like to see which player Bendal himself made a point of avoiding much discussion with. I would expect either or both mockra and liosan would be in that category.
EDIT: Strikeout of grammatic error.
This post has been edited by Serc: 20 October 2016 - 03:46 PM
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Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
Ok first Lio- largely a gut feeling and I posted it here:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:
Reading through the thread I guess I can't look at every single vote as that's wishy washy.
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.
I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.
Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:
Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!
Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:
@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.
Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.
I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.
Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:
Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:
Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.
Well reading up I'm interested in several people.
Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?
In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.
I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.
Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.
Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?
Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.
Cheers.
If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow
I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.
For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.
vote Gait
This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.
the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.
The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.
I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"
Nope. I don't trust it.
Vote Liosan
Again I wasn't sure about Gait as lover at the time and had no issue with Lios actual case on him, I simply twinged on the fact he threw me in there when up until then I think I'd had little actual scrutiny from him or anyone. I've received a lot of scrutiny since because of this post but I think the real point was to set me up with the belief Gait would CF inno.
It's the kind of puppet string play I personally would go for were I playing scum.
Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:
Gait, on 20 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:
Serc, on 20 October 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:
Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:
I'll trust your judgement again today Kesso. There's pros and cons with all the remaining three.
Uhm not to be the tree accusing the bush but I think you're playing the scummy angle hiding behind Lover cover?
But then again Kesso and gait seem to agree you're PI which I don't fully understand as yet and would like a bit more info on as I keep thinking my picks outside myself are Lio,Mockra and Bendal.
Can you elaborate?
I too would love to know your reasons for each. Liosan especially.
Lol, you guys are cruel. Typing that stuff out takes time.
Someone really ought to tell him...
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Posted 20 October 2016 - 03:50 PM
So you have come to a similar conclusion as to Kesso, that I could be symp which I cannot prove. hence my following Kesso's vote which you find strange.
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With Serc feigning? ignorance over Liosan, if he is to be believed then it comes back to Mockra and Telas.
WCS it is still D day.
Serc, Mockra and Telas left.
One a killer, one a possible symp.
Who can be a symp of those 3 Mockra. Yet he did vote for Aranatha yesterday.
Who can be killer? Serc, Telas or Mockra.
I do not see Telas as a symp, he hasn't been influential, he could definitely be Ara's partner though.
Going off WCS I'd have to vote Mockra today, if it goes into one more day then we know 100% that symp is dead and we're just looking for the killer.
That'd leave Serc and Telas for the killer. Fuck, I don't like these odds at all. With Serc's "ignorance" over the Lio death then the choice may just be Telas.
I won't vote yet, I want people to poke holes in my logic.
WCS it is still D day.
Serc, Mockra and Telas left.
One a killer, one a possible symp.
Who can be a symp of those 3 Mockra. Yet he did vote for Aranatha yesterday.
Who can be killer? Serc, Telas or Mockra.
I do not see Telas as a symp, he hasn't been influential, he could definitely be Ara's partner though.
Going off WCS I'd have to vote Mockra today, if it goes into one more day then we know 100% that symp is dead and we're just looking for the killer.
That'd leave Serc and Telas for the killer. Fuck, I don't like these odds at all. With Serc's "ignorance" over the Lio death then the choice may just be Telas.
I won't vote yet, I want people to poke holes in my logic.
