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Mafia 135 - Game Thread Murders on the Canals of Venice

#161 User is offline   Gait 

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 08:49 AM

From my pov it looks like setting Lio up for the next day. Thanks Bengal something just clicked to me.

I really don't like Sercs response to Kesso. Asking for "advice" and being willing to discuss their standing out? I'm just thinking wtf is it. And then vote the for Lio. I'd say it looks towny but, not going with the flow when they could so easily, and going for the most likely target to be lynched tomorrow when I cf town. I think Serc and Mockra are scum setting up Lio. Smooth Serc most likely a killer.

Vote Serc

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:26 AM

The thing is, I could really vote for Liosan to see what they're on about or Mockra for their turnabout. I haven't really thought of Serc as scum but could be blindsided by what has developed on thread so far.

One thing is, you seem to be deflecting attention away from Liosan, and they seem to be attacking Liosan.

#163 User is offline   Serc 

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:30 AM

View PostBendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

The thing is, I could really vote for Liosan to see what they're on about or Mockra for their turnabout. I haven't really thought of Serc as scum but could be blindsided by what has developed on thread so far.

One thing is, you seem to be deflecting attention away from Liosan, and they seem to be attacking Liosan.


But Lio voted on him...why would he deflect for Lio?

I feel I'm missing something here?

#164 User is offline   Gait 

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:33 AM

View PostSerc, on 20 October 2016 - 09:30 AM, said:

View PostBendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

The thing is, I could really vote for Liosan to see what they're on about or Mockra for their turnabout. I haven't really thought of Serc as scum but could be blindsided by what has developed on thread so far.

One thing is, you seem to be deflecting attention away from Liosan, and they seem to be attacking Liosan.


But Lio voted on him...why would he deflect for Lio?

I feel I'm missing something here?


I'd be symp then Bendal

#165 User is offline   Gait 

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:39 AM

You said that if I was scum thatd make Lio CI, yet Mockra seems to like both of us as cum

#166 User is offline   Gait 

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:45 AM

He should have a dilemma because the two options he likes are not compatible, yet he votes me with ease despite his suspicions about Lio. Of course he also shouldn't be setting Lio up if he believed and realised the CI thing. I think I'm running in circles a little

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:47 AM

View PostSerc, on 20 October 2016 - 09:30 AM, said:

View PostBendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

The thing is, I could really vote for Liosan to see what they're on about or Mockra for their turnabout. I haven't really thought of Serc as scum but could be blindsided by what has developed on thread so far.

One thing is, you seem to be deflecting attention away from Liosan, and they seem to be attacking Liosan.


But Lio voted on him...why would he deflect for Lio?

I feel I'm missing something here?


Possible distancing from partner is what I thought when I read that. Not sure, its just if you look at Gait, on multiple occasions he has dismissed Lio.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:48 AM

View PostGait, on 20 October 2016 - 09:39 AM, said:

You said that if I was scum thatd make Lio CI, yet Mockra seems to like both of us as cum


Dirty that Mockra lad.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:50 AM

View PostGait, on 20 October 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

He should have a dilemma because the two options he likes are not compatible, yet he votes me with ease despite his suspicions about Lio. Of course he also shouldn't be setting Lio up if he believed and realised the CI thing. I think I'm running in circles a little


Take a step back, if you are innocent then you should be letting us know your thoughts on the players alive. What are your thoughts on Kesso and Telas?

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:56 AM

I'm around and reading through what's gone down. I see a lot of post quoting in my skim...

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 09:57 AM

Still on trying to sort this all out but right now I think I'm gonna

Remove vote

Anyone know how much time is left?

#172 User is offline   Kessobahn 

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:00 AM

View PostSerc, on 20 October 2016 - 09:57 AM, said:

Still on trying to sort this all out but right now I think I'm gonna

Remove vote

Anyone know how much time is left?



About 4 hours I think but someone should double check.

I've just realised that if we don't hit killer today and the symp still lives, then tomorrow will be parity.

#173 User is offline   Gait 

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:05 AM

I'm Kessobahns lover

Check beginning letters of alternating(only every first post after the other one's post counts)posts of ours D1 starting with post of mine beginning with L

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:06 AM

View PostBendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

Look at these three posts from Mockra today.

View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.


View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

View PostGait, on 19 October 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

I agree with most of what you say Bendal and, although I can see how, you've got to a wrong conclusion.

There's not much to Liosan for me. Mockra is there anything else aside from the signalling prod you don't like about them? Bendal, what did you not like about them and how did it change on reread?

Also I think you're leaning towards Telas being town too quickly. But it seems to be an error in my thinking too.


I already mentioned, his cherry-picking of Aranatha's quotes without context stinks of strawmanning.


View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Thinking on it, I actually like Bendal's kesso-Lio pairing for killers. Because Kesso DID actually do the about face switch that Lio accused Aranatha of (when it came to voting Omtose)

View PostKessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?


And their very next post:

View PostKessobahn, on 19 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

Meh. I've seen worse reasons.

Vote Omtose






View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

Okay, it's almost time for me to go. I gotta vote before I go.

Gait got 2 votes
Aranatha is voting Telas, b/c Telas is voting Aranatha

Telas appears to be voting based on gut again. Keeping in mind how that worked out last game, I'd rather not follow his gut.

Aranatha is all over the place, and his vote is OMGUS everyone I talking about him, so i'm pencillin him as "symp at worst" column, but IGMEOY

Now, Gait vote is based on a case. One that implicates me, as it happens. I obviously don't agree with suggestion that I'm symp, but Bendal ties too many people together in that post for us to simply ignore.

So I'll

vote Gait

And if he CFs inno, i'll be taking a long hard look at Liosan (again)



Er, what the actual fuck.


All day pointing his finger at Liosan and then votes Gait even though the case involves him signalling Gait. This to show or "prove" that Gait is not his master? Fuck, I really wanted to move away from Gait but I do not think I can or should.

Vote Gait



Honestly this as odd as Liosan's post earlier. You spend the entire post pointing out your suspicion of Mockra, and then vote Gait? I don't really get it.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:08 AM

View PostGait, on 20 October 2016 - 10:05 AM, said:

I'm Kessobahns lover

Check beginning letters of alternating(only every first post after the other one's post counts)posts of ours D1 starting with post of mine beginning with L


I confirm this. Though if we haven't made love for three years, Gait, can we still be lovers? Don't talk to me about platonic love again.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:08 AM

View PostKessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

View PostBendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

Look at these three posts from Mockra today.

View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.


View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

View PostGait, on 19 October 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

I agree with most of what you say Bendal and, although I can see how, you've got to a wrong conclusion.

There's not much to Liosan for me. Mockra is there anything else aside from the signalling prod you don't like about them? Bendal, what did you not like about them and how did it change on reread?

Also I think you're leaning towards Telas being town too quickly. But it seems to be an error in my thinking too.


I already mentioned, his cherry-picking of Aranatha's quotes without context stinks of strawmanning.


View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Thinking on it, I actually like Bendal's kesso-Lio pairing for killers. Because Kesso DID actually do the about face switch that Lio accused Aranatha of (when it came to voting Omtose)

View PostKessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?


And their very next post:

View PostKessobahn, on 19 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

Meh. I've seen worse reasons.

Vote Omtose






View PostMockra, on 19 October 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

Okay, it's almost time for me to go. I gotta vote before I go.

Gait got 2 votes
Aranatha is voting Telas, b/c Telas is voting Aranatha

Telas appears to be voting based on gut again. Keeping in mind how that worked out last game, I'd rather not follow his gut.

Aranatha is all over the place, and his vote is OMGUS everyone I talking about him, so i'm pencillin him as "symp at worst" column, but IGMEOY

Now, Gait vote is based on a case. One that implicates me, as it happens. I obviously don't agree with suggestion that I'm symp, but Bendal ties too many people together in that post for us to simply ignore.

So I'll

vote Gait

And if he CFs inno, i'll be taking a long hard look at Liosan (again)



Er, what the actual fuck.


All day pointing his finger at Liosan and then votes Gait even though the case involves him signalling Gait. This to show or "prove" that Gait is not his master? Fuck, I really wanted to move away from Gait but I do not think I can or should.

Vote Gait



Honestly this as odd as Liosan's post earlier. You spend the entire post pointing out your suspicion of Mockra, and then vote Gait? I don't really get it.


That post was following another, but the thought track is that although Mockra hits Lio over and over in their posts today, he votes Gait. For what reason, I do not know, because he cannot believe the signalling case, so why?

remove vote

I just saw that reveal.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:10 AM

The way they have been behaving I had pegged Telas and Aranatha as lovers. Fuck. This changes a whole lot of point of view.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:11 AM

View PostGait, on 20 October 2016 - 10:05 AM, said:

I'm Kessobahns lover

Check beginning letters of alternating(only every first post after the other one's post counts)posts of ours D1 starting with post of mine beginning with L


Can you just highlight them for us please?

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:16 AM

View PostBendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 10:08 AM, said:


That post was following another, but the thought track is that although Mockra hits Lio over and over in their posts today, he votes Gait. For what reason, I do not know, because he cannot believe the signalling case, so why?

remove vote

I just saw that reveal.


But then why place your vote on Gait and not Mockra themselves for the inconsistency?

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:20 AM

View PostKessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

View PostBendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 10:08 AM, said:


That post was following another, but the thought track is that although Mockra hits Lio over and over in their posts today, he votes Gait. For what reason, I do not know, because he cannot believe the signalling case, so why?

remove vote

I just saw that reveal.


But then why place your vote on Gait and not Mockra themselves for the inconsistency?


because until the reveal I was thinking that Mockra could be Gait's symp and his vote, which does not make sense otherwise, was to make us doubt he was signalling in the first place and protect Gait from being lynched.

that Mockra vote is confusing as hell, why would a town player vote for someone they do not believe is scum?

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