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#161 User is offline   Macros 

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 08:56 PM

Had to go play football.
Yes I am aware of my broken promises.

For nom it all comes back to that healer post for me, but that's a symps post. Not a killers, not a fan of symp hunting, well established in that fact.
Andorion, it's falls onto the khell couldn't be a killer in unaltered post, either again a really bad symp post, or a ballsy killer? Meh
Blend for pushing the tatts wagon on ( Yes I am aware of Noms involvement as well)
Bliss just feels wrong to me, currently most likely to put a vote there as of current situation.
Khell, I don't trust because khell, but has played pretty well pro town as far as I can see it so far.

There it is, going to bed due to early start but will be around with 6 or so hours of day left. Will drop a vote, preferably bliss at this current juncture
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:49 PM

Hey guys, I'm sorry I've missed half the day (and am about to go to bed for most of the second half of the day) - uni starting up again this week so lots of pointless meetings to go to. Painfully, I had to travel across London three times today. Not counting my journey home.

Blend, I am not even going to bother responding (I mean, besides this response) to your post until you come out with more than vague 'Khell's acting funny whooo watch out!' statements. I've liked your play so far - even though it has the feel of summarising a lot of points already made and feelings expressed - but that last stab at me was poor.

I'm going to take an all-too quick look at the lynch train.
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:54 PM

Coltaine and Andorion as our first two voters is interesting considering they registered no final vote on day 1. Making up for that?
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 11:07 PM

Looking through Siergiej's posts, he suspected Bliss and Nom, and wanted to keep tabs on Macros and Kotillion. He felt both Bliss and Kots had reacted 'panicky' at certain points. I'd like to hear from Kots now too, what do you make of day 2 so far?

Before someone goes and say, "there's no use speculating why someone was killed" etc., there is always use in keeping tabs on what people have said, let's not stymie research (which is of course not the same as pointing out that a conclusion based on that research is dumb ;) ). Patterns may develop further down the line.
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 11:18 PM

Bliss, Blend, Nom, JPK, Macros. I would bet Andorion's dragon sex book that there is at least one scum in there and I reckon two. The bad news is, five players is still too large a pool. Macros has been noticeably agreeable this game, which is rubbing me the wrong way a little. Already made my feelings on Bliss clear. I see a fair few (most, seemingly) voicing suspicions of Nom but don't recall a single dissenting voice. That's not a good sign. I will leave my vote on Nom for the night but may change that come the morning.

Vote Itwaes Nom
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 01:02 AM

View PostKhellendros, on 21 September 2016 - 11:18 PM, said:

Bliss, Blend, Nom, JPK, Macros. I would bet Andorion's dragon sex book that there is at least one scum in there and I reckon two. The bad news is, five players is still too large a pool. Macros has been noticeably agreeable this game, which is rubbing me the wrong way a little. Already made my feelings on Bliss clear. I see a fair few (most, seemingly) voicing suspicions of Nom but don't recall a single dissenting voice. That's not a good sign. I will leave my vote on Nom for the night but may change that come the morning.

Vote Itwaes Nom


So you find all of us suspicious but NOT Coltaine and Ando whom you called out earlier? I'm finally at home, so I'd like to take a reread before I vote.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 02:16 AM

Coltaine's first few posts are one liners, and a joke vote on Khell... Then he removes and makes a point of either Nom and I having a connection or Nom and Khell.

View Post- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

Remove vote

A Nom-Bliss or Nom-Khell connection is an interesting idea. So I will vote maybe for one of them.

Tatts Guard post is still strange but I don't think that he is scum. He should know that strange posts/ideas at day one can get you killed very quickly. And for Ando ... well, I also didn't know about the random assingments.

I will check in later again.


He makes a point of saying he doesn't think Tatts is scum.


View Post- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 10:53 PM, said:

Huh, I made it back in time.

Tatts at L1?

I will read up.



View Post- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

Looks like Blend turned the tide and most of the others followed to get a lynch today ...

I have to agree with Sierg and Khell that it is unlikely that Tatts is a killer. But we don't have much time left and I don't think that we can get another lynch.

Who wants to hammer?


View Post- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 11:16 PM, said:

Okay.

I will go to bed as well


Offers to hammer after the fact.

View Post- Coltaine -, on 21 September 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Yeah, I remember that game very well. We ignored a good advise and paid for it. ;)

View PostItwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 09:19 PM, said:

After Blend's case something has come to my mind. And that is possible presence of healer, if there's one he's just as likely to target Tatts as scum would be, but I doubt scum will with the possibility.

Vote Tatts

Now I can go to bed


Okay, everyone agrees that this post is fishy. Khell is still on my list (I learned from the first game) but currently Nom is number one.

Vote Itwas Nom



Then hops right on to vote Nom based on one post.
@Coltaine, not saying that I didn't find Nom's Tatt's vote as scummy too, but what were your reasons for Nom during day 1?
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 02:28 AM

I'm up and watching the game, was also hoping Nom would get on and respond before making any final decisions.

I'll be at work in a few hours, will drop my vote before then.
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#169 User is offline   Lady Bliss 

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Posted 22 September 2016 - 02:46 AM

View PostDolmen 2.0, on 22 September 2016 - 02:28 AM, said:

I'm up and watching the game, was also hoping Nom would get on and respond before making any final decisions.

I'll be at work in a few hours, will drop my vote before then.


After rereading Nom, he seems to have been on everyone's radar. It bugged me that he seemed to be so opposed to voting Tatts all day, then did his drive by. He honestly wouldn't have been on my radar if it wasn't for that vote though.

As far as coasters go, Coltaine seemed to be flying pretty low under the radar with his posts, and I forgot that JPK was playing. My first choice for a lynch would be Khell.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 02:50 AM

I think it would be unlikely that a Khell lynch would pick up steam, but I'll

vote Khell

as a Nom alternative. His case on me yesterday was a bit too straw-man and I think Coltaine could have been trying to signal him. I'll check before I go to bed though. Nom is still on my radar.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:04 AM

I can switch to a Khell lynch but Nom bugs me. Wouldn't it be better to get him out of the way first?
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:11 AM

View PostAndorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

I can switch to a Khell lynch but Nom bugs me. Wouldn't it be better to get him out of the way first?


How much time till timeout?
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:18 AM

View PostLady Bliss, on 22 September 2016 - 03:11 AM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

I can switch to a Khell lynch but Nom bugs me. Wouldn't it be better to get him out of the way first?


How much time till timeout?


Around 9 hours I think. I should be around for most of them
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:29 AM

View PostAndorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:18 AM, said:

View PostLady Bliss, on 22 September 2016 - 03:11 AM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

I can switch to a Khell lynch but Nom bugs me. Wouldn't it be better to get him out of the way first?


How much time till timeout?


Around 9 hours I think. I should be around for most of them


I won't. What do you think of Khell's vote for Nom?
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:30 AM

View PostAndorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:18 AM, said:

View PostLady Bliss, on 22 September 2016 - 03:11 AM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

I can switch to a Khell lynch but Nom bugs me. Wouldn't it be better to get him out of the way first?


How much time till timeout?


Around 9 hours I think. I should be around for most of them


I think it's going to be around 4 am for me here. So I guess I'd better make a decision.

I've seen several players voice approval for epithet a Nom or a Khell lynch. I'm going to do one more read-ice and then decide where to place my vote.

The thing that concerns me most is rather or not we will have enough active players for a Khell lynch before timeout.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:31 AM

Read-through. Fuck autocorrect.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:40 AM

I am currently drunk reading.

That being said, I am liking LadyB more and more as potential scum.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 03:44 AM

But still like a Khell vote.

Not a fan of a Nom vote. Yall piled on pretty quickly.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 04:14 AM

View PostBlend, on 22 September 2016 - 03:44 AM, said:

But still like a Khell vote.

Not a fan of a Nom vote. Yall piled on pretty quickly.


I agree with this. However I'm going to expand on it past one liners.

Nom really hasn't had much that should be setting him up as scum so far. His day one play amounted to bringing up the presence of a healer. Now, I know that it's not a good idea to discuss town roles, but outside of a day 1 lynch I don't think it's enough to hang someone on. Also, if he WERE a killer, what is his symp doing? He hasn't really had anyone stand up for him on either day 1 or 2. Finally, his day 2 is bugging the shit out of me. Claiming a bad day and not even attempting to fight his way out of the corner. I just don't see Nom doing that if he was scum. Hell, I don't see him doing that if he were roled at all.

On to Lady B. The entire case on her is based on her being symp, but no one can seem to create a connection for who she's working for. I don't like that arguement at all. First off, she's had a very one track mind this entire game so far: Khell. After several cases were made, she admitted that Nom could have potential but failed completely to WIFOM the thread. If she's symping, she's doing a shitty job of it. I've more of an idea that she has potential to be a killer here. She makes herself loud on thread and shows an intense desire to lynch Khell. By keeping her focus there, she's free to kill off town without forming any obvious revenge kill connections. I see some real potential here.

Finally, Khell. Oh Khell. I think my favorite post by you so far is this one:

View PostKhellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

View PostDolmen 2.0, on 20 September 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

Why is saying Bliss will CF RI so controversial? If I already before that said that I believe that she is a symp, then surely that follows???

I am voting for her because I think she is scum. Again, I'm not sure what is controversial about that. In fact, I find it quite odd that people are voicing confusion about this.

Would it help if I said Bliss is a killer? Well, I don't think her play so far suggests killer, but I do think it could suggest symp. That is still scum, and that is my reason for voting. I think she was entirely too eager to jump onto Tatts, for doing something we could all have seen Tatts doing.

Tell me who's a killer, and why, and I can be convinced to change my vote (unless you think it's me, obvs).


I don't think it's controversial, I was just highlighting a trigger. Your wording warrants attention and the order of your appearance has you looking like Tatts symp.

Also on principle you do tend to come off as trying to lead town.

I'm wary of that sort of play.



My wording, lol.

I am pointing out a possible option to town. Town is free to make their own decision. Leading would require me to say, "Hey, everyone, follow me!" In fact, I've advised caution by emphasising the nature of my suspicion.


As for the other part, I can only be Tatts' symp if you believe that a killer-roled Tatts would say such a thing as he did. Do you believe that?




Khell trying to claim that he isn't attempting to lead town because he isn't being obvious and blunt enough about it. Because he has never lead a lynch by subtle suggestions before. Nope.
And then there are these last three posts he put up:

View PostKhellendros, on 21 September 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

Coltaine and Andorion as our first two voters is interesting considering they registered no final vote on day 1. Making up for that?



View PostKhellendros, on 21 September 2016 - 11:07 PM, said:

Looking through Siergiej's posts, he suspected Bliss and Nom, and wanted to keep tabs on Macros and Kotillion. He felt both Bliss and Kots had reacted 'panicky' at certain points. I'd like to hear from Kots now too, what do you make of day 2 so far?

Before someone goes and say, "there's no use speculating why someone was killed" etc., there is always use in keeping tabs on what people have said, let's not stymie research (which is of course not the same as pointing out that a conclusion based on that research is dumb ;) ). Patterns may develop further down the line.



View PostKhellendros, on 21 September 2016 - 11:18 PM, said:

Bliss, Blend, Nom, JPK, Macros. I would bet Andorion's dragon sex book that there is at least one scum in there and I reckon two. The bad news is, five players is still too large a pool. Macros has been noticeably agreeable this game, which is rubbing me the wrong way a little. Already made my feelings on Bliss clear. I see a fair few (most, seemingly) voicing suspicions of Nom but don't recall a single dissenting voice. That's not a good sign. I will leave my vote on Nom for the night but may change that come the morning.

Vote Itwaes Nom



Over the course of about 45 minutes he names Colt and Ando for jumping quickly on the Nom train, then proceeds to suggest that Sierg may have been targeted due to interest in Lady B and Nom as well as suspicions of Macros and Kotilion. Finally, he decided to throw out Lady B, Blend, Nom, Myself, and Macros as possible scum targets.

If this isn't symping to throw a shitload of WIFOM at town I don't know what is. Beyond that, I think that Khell would try to WIFOM the town this strongly no matter if he was Killer or Symp.

With that I feel I need to:
Vote Khell
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 04:37 AM

I'm going to bed, and I'm leaving my vote where it is.
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